We want a Halo Game, not a H3 copy. (Edited)

I want to make it clear who I speak for, and what my intentions are. This Thread enables us to discuss and get a point across shared by “us” people who do not like this game, and there are many of us, so it’s not something that should be taken lightly. This thread get our points across with the watchful eye of people with different kinds of opinions to ours. I raise a valid point that I believe everyone needs to see. Me speaking for “those” people is purely to make something that everyone can see in one Thread.

What we want is the return of the Halo CE-3 formula with expansion upon it. Halo 4 hasn’t innovated anything and has instead, added to the stale FPS genre by creating a game VERY similar to these so called “Modern day” FPS games that have flooded the Market since 2007.

Halo CE-3 were simple, easy to get into, but difficult to Master. Halo 4 literally requires no effort at all, it’s senseless, mindless, randomised chaos.

People need to get it into their heads that <mark>we don’t want a carbon copy of CE-3,Good change, whilst keeping every mechanic that made Halo, Halo is what we want.</mark> Instead we got a watered down Hyrbrid game, lacking features that made Halo, Halo. It’s essentially Call of Duty with a Halo Theme.

We got a downgrade from previous games. Halo 3 and Reach had FAR better Custom games and Forge, Fileshare doesn’t even work yet, yet it worked fine in both 3 and Reach. The game is filled with bugs and many issues that need addressing.

I’m about to use the silly labelling here, I’m a competitive player, but I and 90% of us “competitive” players also greatly enjoy Custom games, Forge, Theatre ect. Fun is subjective, I find playing hard, winning, improving, being better than someone fun. I also find custom game madness fun, I mean who doesn’t love the game modes that you could create in Halo 3 and Reach that you can’t create now.

As it stands, this game is very frustrating, when It’s not frustrating the fun doesn’t even last that long. The Game already feels very stale and boring. All these features they added to add variety to the game have done nothing but weaken the fun and playability of the game. They have done the exact opposite for what they were added for.

Nostalgia isn’t what makes us dislike this game, it’s the fact that Halo 2 and 3 were actually very fun and addictive. If the Halo 2 servers were still up, I would quite happily sit and play that game all day, Same with Halo 3, if the population was strong, I would also play that game all day. Halo 4? I haven’t played it for 10days because I have to force myself into “giving it another chance” but every time I do, it’s just the same result every time, I’ll play 3-4 Games then move back onto Black Ops 2, this is both ironic and upsetting because I enjoy Black Ops 2 more than I do Halo 4 and Halo has been my favourite gaming series since I was 10 (when Halo 2 came out, it was my first Halo game)

Edit:

Halo has (or had) a niche.
CoD has a niche.
Battlefield has a niche.

They don’t need to overlap and become basically the same, re-skinned game.

Do you think people in Battlefield would like it if I demanded they removed classes and made all the maps small? Probably not.

Do you think CoD players would like it if I demanded sprint be removed and weapons spawned on the map? Probably not.

Likewise, Halo players do not like it when Halo becomes just another re-skinned version of a Generic FPS. Credit goes to Ramir3z77

Edit 2:

We compare this game with Call of Duty for various reasons, one being Ordnance.

Ordnance is much like care packages, they share the same effects on the game. For example you could get 2 equally skilled teams fighting one another for victory, both being in line with one another, then suddenly one of the teams gets a better ordnance drop then the other team, which can then suddenly change who the Victor is. This is a huge problem because the dice throwing essentially throws aside the opposing teams skill. The same can be said when one team is more skilled than the other, the weaker team could get lucky on the weapons and thus brush aside the better teams effort and skill.

It happens in Call of Duty a lot, if I’m on the losing team and I suddenly get a Swarm from a care package, I essentially have won the game for us without any effort, whether it be when the teams are equal or when the teams are different in skill. The dice throwing just isn’t Halo at all.

> <mark>we don’t want a carbon copy of CE-3,Good change, whilst keeping every mechanic that made Halo, Halo is what we want.</mark>

But 343 loves to change things for change’s sake. They don’t understand that things which work well in CoD can’t work in Halo.

You’re absolutely correct, but the 343 defense force is flocking to this thread as we speak and it’s going to be locked by a mod because they don’t like hearing the truth. +1 to you sir, we can only hope they fix this game.

> > <mark>we don’t want a carbon copy of CE-3,Good change, whilst keeping every mechanic that made Halo, Halo is what we want.</mark>
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> But 343 loves to change things for change’s sake. They don’t understand that things which work well in CoD can’t work in Halo.

Which is precisely the problem, I don’t understand how they haven’t seen the error of their ways. Although I guess they made these decisions to get a mass of sales, in the short term they cared, the long term? Not so much.

Oh I do miss the challange.

> You’re absolutely correct, but the 343 defense force is flocking to this thread as we speak and it’s going to be locked by a mod because they don’t like hearing the truth. +1 to you sir, we can only hope they fix this game.

Yeah I can already see that happening, hopefully it wont get locked, and perhaps this thread will enlighten some of the “Defence” force. If it does get locked I’ll just re make the Thread.

Although, the “Defence force” only see what they want to see, but perhaps we can change that.

> <mark>we</mark> don’t want a carbon copy of CE-3,Good change, whilst keeping every mechanic that made Halo, Halo is what we want.

Speak for yourself.

> You’re absolutely correct, but the 343 defense force is flocking to this thread as we speak and it’s going to be locked by a mod because they don’t like hearing the truth. +1 to you sir, we can only hope they fix this game.

You rang? Sorry, but the mods will lock this as soon as you go above expressing an opinion or break the rules. Its your choice in the matter whether or not this thread gets locked.

I KNOW!!! I’m starting to not like this. I was fine with it at first, but now… it’s just, not the same. I really want them to get to a classic playlist. They said they’d give us one. Where is it? We need one. One preset loadout, no instant respawn, no kill cams, no DMR, no AAs, none of this new stuff. Sprint disabled, that kind of stuff. Just classic Halo. Hopefully they get this going, and I hope they learn their lesson and make stuff different in Halo 5.

The old school Halo is gone dude. now we have the new Halo and its trying to find its niche.

by H6 it will either be great again in its new role or it will be dead and never spoken of again…

> > You’re absolutely correct, but the 343 defense force is flocking to this thread as we speak and it’s going to be locked by a mod because they don’t like hearing the truth. +1 to you sir, we can only hope they fix this game.
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> Yeah I can already see that happening, hopefully it wont get locked, and perhaps this thread will enlighten some of the “Defence” force. If it does get locked I’ll just make the re make the Thread.
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> Although, the “Defence force” only see what they want to see, but perhaps we can change that.

The “Defense Force” is only defending their opinion. Whats wrong with that?

Well, except, I just went back to H3 a couple days ago and went positive in all my games, slayer, FFA, and swat, the only time I didn’t get first was in FFA cause I forgot the power weapon spawns.

Halo 4 is more difficult if you ask me, because you have to think about what you’re doing instead of just jumping into a guy AR/BR blazing and knowing they can’t do anything about it.

I’ll explain more later but Halo 4 really isn’t easy to just pick up and play or else all my friends wouldn’t have quit and gone back to CoD.

> > <mark>we</mark> don’t want a carbon copy of CE-3,Good change, whilst keeping every mechanic that made Halo, Halo is what we want.
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> Speak for yourself.
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> > You’re absolutely correct, but the 343 defense force is flocking to this thread as we speak and it’s going to be locked by a mod because they don’t like hearing the truth. +1 to you sir, we can only hope they fix this game.
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> You rang? Sorry, but the mods will lock this as soon as you go above expressing an opinion or break the rules. Its your choice in the matter whether or not this thread gets locked.

“We” as in us that don’t like the way the game has turned out to be. You knew exactly what I meant but you felt the need to pick on it anyway.

> > > You’re absolutely correct, but the 343 defense force is flocking to this thread as we speak and it’s going to be locked by a mod because they don’t like hearing the truth. +1 to you sir, we can only hope they fix this game.
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> > Yeah I can already see that happening, hopefully it wont get locked, and perhaps this thread will enlighten some of the “Defence” force. If it does get locked I’ll just make the re make the Thread.
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> > Although, the “Defence force” only see what they want to see, but perhaps we can change that.
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> The “Defense Force” is only defending their opinion. Whats wrong with that?

There’s nothing wrong with them defending their opinion, but as soon as they don’t like our opinion we get scored for it, and their way of defending their opinion is usually “Go back to Halo 3” which is exactly what this Thread is for.

And you cannot defend the state of Halo 4’s custom games, custom games is a shell of it’s former self.

So what would you guys do to innovate or improve Halo? Just wondering.

> > > You’re absolutely correct, but the 343 defense force is flocking to this thread as we speak and it’s going to be locked by a mod because they don’t like hearing the truth. +1 to you sir, we can only hope they fix this game.
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> > Yeah I can already see that happening, hopefully it wont get locked, and perhaps this thread will enlighten some of the “Defence” force. If it does get locked I’ll just make the re make the Thread.
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> > Although, the “Defence force” only see what they want to see, but perhaps we can change that.
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> The “Defense Force” is only defending their opinion. Whats wrong with that?

The issue is that you’re the only ones who are allowed to do that.

First time I’ve thanked anyone on this site.

I agree with everything you’re saying. Halo 4 really isn’t a bad game, it’s just miles off the previous titles. I can’t even play the Multiplayer anymore. I’m just playing Spartan Ops all the time because I can’t bring myself to play online.

The Customs Community don’t even exist for this game anymore. In Reach/3 I was always being invited to cool customs but I’ve yet to see ONE in this game that grabs my attention like the customs in the last two games. For crying out loud, even REACH had better Custom Games than this one.

The maps are lackluster and it’s really hard to even try making anything on Forge. That and the majority of pieces are just re-textured bits from Reach. Seriously, shame on you for that 343. Those pieces worked on FORGE WORLD. Something this game lacked from the beginning. I’ve seen all those awesome Skyboxes and I’ve got out of the maps and there is so much space that could be used to make a decent map but it’s all locked out.

I’m just sad that 343 tried what Bungie did with Reach. It’s clear that it didn’t work last time so why repeat the formula that pretty much everyone hated?

I love and respect 343 for what they’re trying to do but enough is enough, they need to decide if they’re going to keep up this path of self destruction or actually do something that works. I’m not saying go back to the original formula, but I am saying quit with the stupid CoD/BF3 knockoffs because it’s CLEARLY NOT WORKING.

> So what would you guys do to innovate or improve Halo? Just wondering.

> > > <mark>we</mark> don’t want a carbon copy of CE-3,Good change, whilst keeping every mechanic that made Halo, Halo is what we want.
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> > > You’re absolutely correct, but the 343 defense force is flocking to this thread as we speak and it’s going to be locked by a mod because they don’t like hearing the truth. +1 to you sir, we can only hope they fix this game.
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> > You rang? Sorry, but the mods will lock this as soon as you go above expressing an opinion or break the rules. Its your choice in the matter whether or not this thread gets locked.
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> “We” as in us that don’t like the way the game has turned out to be. You knew exactly what I meant but you felt the need to pick on it anyway.

Then let those people speak for themselves like they have been. They aren’t incapable (though some are) of presenting their opinion. I knew exactly what you meant, but I hate it speak for more then themselves.

> > So what would you guys do to innovate or improve Halo? Just wondering.

https://forums.halowaypoint.com/yaf_postst169678_What-if-abilities-required-coordination.aspx

https://forums.halowaypoint.com/yaf_postsm2019467_Classic-Playlist-Ideas.aspx#post2019467

https://forums.halowaypoint.com/yaf_postsm2026862_-Hater--Mentality.aspx#post2026862

Too bad no one will ever read them and just go “HALO 4 R PURFECT, STOP HATING ON 343”.

You say you don’t want a carbon copy of Halo CE through three just after saying you want a game that follows the same formula. So basically, you DO want Halo 3, but with a couple new guns. How about this: make “pew pew” sounds while playing Halo 3.