We need change - allow 343i to take some risks

Personally, I think people are overreacting…

The campaign looks and sounds FANTASTIC - are we all agreed?

Spartan Ops… ok, the name is stupid. Forget the name; it’s nothing like COD spec ops. It’s an episodic story-based mini campaign. COD spec ops isn’t related to story at all, it’s just random missions with no chronological narrative. The two things are on opposite ends of the spectrum.

Standard sprint… personally, I like this. Sprint makes the game faster, quicker and snappier. It feels stupid to be a Spartan who can only walk and annoying that you can’t run/jump/spin and carry out skilled manoeuvrability. If your only movement mechanic is walking… how is that skilled? IMO a walk-only mechanic is very casual - it’s slow and simple with no depth to the dynamism of the gameplay experience. No doubt others will disagree and that’s fine - I am simply voicing an opinion.

Extra armour abilities:

Jet Pack - why the hate? It doesn’t have to be in every playlist. Have you played Spire in Reach using a Jet pack? Jumping off the edge only to fly back up and surprise your opponent. Jumping off the edge and thrusting toward a Banshee to hijack it? It’s immense! It makes the gameplay fun and dynamic. I have no doubt there will be an MLG playlist without all this extra crap, so why get angry about it?

"X-ray “vision… so it’s a perk that might only be good for seeing through 1 layer of wall. When used, it might also limit your visual distance. So, actually… it might kinda suck. What is the point in a short range “wall-hack” in a game that is as fast paced as Halo? I think not many people will use it and those that do will most likely be out-classed by those with other AAs. Also, what if cloak negates Forerunner vision?

Instant re-spawn… Ok, it’s stupid. I don’t understand this one at all nor will I attempt to argue in 343i’s favour. I hope they have thought this through and make sure it doesn’t ruin gameplay.

Spartan points… So what? It’s a name, think of it as Reach credits, who gives a crap what it’s called? It’s a game currency system. EVERY game has one.

Unlockables… ok… Slightly controversial because it means people won’t start off with similar kits, but… think of it this way… Are you better with a BR than a DMR? Well… pick the BR every time you spawn. Another guy might be better with the DMR than you are with a BR though. You might then want to learn to play better and spawn with a DMR. It’s better than the boring games where everyone has the same weapon imo. Imagine Reach when you could choose NOT to spawn with the DMR because you hate the bloom? Bingo - you get to choose something you feel more comfortable with.

Also, as for unlockables, personally I am glad for a bit more depth to game progression. It adds incentive to keep playing. I think it works absolutely perfectly in Battlefield games and it doesn’t ever make you feel that one player is better than another because they have a “better” gun. The only time a gun is better is due to a certain situation – rock-paper-scissors. Guess what? Halo is already a game about Rock-Paper-Scissors. If you prefer shooting at range, get a long distance scope. Be prepared to get your -Yoink- kicked if anyone gets close to you though. Yes, everyone doesn’t spawn “equally” but everyone does have equal opportunity to get points as long as the game is balanced which no doubt it will be.

I understand people are Angry at some of the changes, but try to be a bit more positive. 343i have obviously put in a LOT of effort into this game. They are trying to change the game. COD is criticized because it hasn’t changed in about a decade. Halo is trying not to become a repeat franchise. I don’t want to play Halo 1 or 2 or 3 again. I had that experience and it was fantastic, but it’s in the past. I want a Halo experience that is different. I want to try something new and I think we need to be willing to let 343i at least try. If it fails miserably then they will no doubt re-think Halo 5. Just give the one chance to try and revitalise Halo. Halo CE became what it was by introducing the world to a radically different experience by taking many, many risks and being highly controversial. Remember how Bungie were shot down in flames for making a hardcore shooting game on a CONSOLE, who would’ve thought it?

Give 343i a chance to explain themselves and share their vision. Don’t shoot them down the second they introduce something that isn’t old-school Halo.

Equally, voice your opinion, just be mature about it and allow 343i to explain themselves. By shouting “343i YOU HAVE BETRAYED US” will simply make them switch off and ignore you. Be mature about it. If you have a gripe, form a constructive agreement as to why it will have a negative impact upon gameplay and then attempt to gain support.

First though - Let’s all calm down and allow 343i to officially address the content discussed in the GI cover story. They have already stated how people have overreacted and misinterpreted various aspects.

Let’s act like a decent gaming community and support 343i in making changes but raise concerns in a mature fashion. You are scared of Halo becoming like COD? It starts with the fans. Stop acting like a COD community by crying at everything you don’t like, honestly, it’s like a kid-COD forum on here. Let’s show the world which game and which COMMUNITY is the better of the two.

I’m not suggesting everyone roll over and become blind fanboy fanatics. I am simply making a plea that the Halo community can support 343i in making changes, albeit risky and controversial ones. When we have sufficient information and 343i address the article and clarify its contents, if you still aren’t happy, make a constructive complaint.

For now, we need to calm down and stop overreacting and welcome some change. Otherwise we will be landed with Halo 3.1 for the next decade and Halo WILL become the next episodic-DLC equivalent game as is the current iterations of what was once the highly respected COD franchise.

OP, I would hand you a flame suit, but I’m afraid it’s too late.

and wtf was reach? LOL

Amen.

> OP, I would hand you a flame suit, but I’m afraid it’s too late.

Hey I know I’m going to get flamed for this, but I can’t stand to see Halo become a boring repeat franchise because everyone wants to relive a nostalgic Halo:CE experience. I want Halo to live on, and it will only do so by introducing change and we as a community need to support that change. If it changes for the worse then we can make constructive complaints, we simply don’t have sufficient grounds to do that yet.

> > OP, I would hand you a flame suit, but I’m afraid it’s too late.
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> Hey I know I’m going to get flamed for this, but I can’t stand to see Halo become a boring repeat franchise because everyone wants to relive a nostalgic Halo:CE experience. I want Halo to live on, and it will only do so by introducing change and we as a community need to support that change. If it changes for the worse then we can make constructive complaints, we simply don’t have sufficient grounds to do that yet.

You realize CoD is the most popular game on the market and it sticks to the same exact formula every time, right? Halo shouldn’t be trying to reinvent itself every game, it should be reusing what worked, fixing what didn’t, and adding useful changes, and from what I’ve seen, not much in Halo 4 MM adheres to this.

I’m with you all the way OP. New trilogy for me means new changes to gameplay and story. If these are some of the new twists to the franchise so be it! I want Halo 4 to be different, that’s why I’m excited for this trilogy, that’s why I’m supporting 343.

And before anyone else says anything, I LOVED the classic Halo we’ve come to love Halo 1-3. Halo 1 and 2 were my first video games for Christ’s sake. Don’t you think I get a little nostalgic, too? Don’t you think I’m worried about Halo’s future? No one wants to see it fail, but we can’t call them out yet until we have seen the finished product.

At least.

i want to love halo 4 and so on but they took out ff and elites and other things which i like but it can slide right now halo 4 might be great and i will not know until i play the game

There’s nothing wrong with change, if it’s good change. I’m sorry, but random weapon spawns, x-ray vision, instant respawning and joining in-progress aren’t good change. Add that onto the “perks” we heard about awhile back and this game sounds like utter trash.

Like I said, I’m all for change, if it’s good change and makes some sense. I’m not going to like change just because it’s different and new, I’m going to like change because it adds to my enjoyment of the game.

I don’t understand how a company that nerfs armor lock in one game can then go and add something like x-ray vision in another. It’s ludacris.

Thank you, at least someone thinks rationally. Here’s a cookie (::slight_smile: :smiley:

We want change but not call of duty crossed out and replaced by halo

I love you, OP! I feel the same way about all of that. People just need to shut up and wait until they play it to see if they like it or not.

Fair enough, I’ll wait for more info before I rage the forums into oblivion.

…That was a joke.

> > > OP, I would hand you a flame suit, but I’m afraid it’s too late.
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> > Hey I know I’m going to get flamed for this, but I can’t stand to see Halo become a boring repeat franchise because everyone wants to relive a nostalgic Halo:CE experience. I want Halo to live on, and it will only do so by introducing change and we as a community need to support that change. If it changes for the worse then we can make constructive complaints, we simply don’t have sufficient grounds to do that yet.
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> You realize CoD is the most popular game on the market and it sticks to the same exact formula every time, right? Halo shouldn’t be trying to reinvent itself every game, it should be reusing what worked, fixing what didn’t, and adding useful changes, and from what I’ve seen, not much in Halo 4 MM adheres to this.

Yeah, 343i are trying to innovate and do what they think will make the best game, as opposed to rehashing the same old game to maximise profits. How terrible of them.

I wish the community consisted more of fans that didn’t just join in for Reach. Those people are the reasons for all this changes. This just simply isn’t Halo anymore.

Yeah! They should add kill streaks, death streaks, they should take out master chief because he is old and we need change, armor is old too recharging shields worked in the past but it is stale for gameplay now change it, cortana is rampant now too get a new AI in there, and I am sick of all this futuristic crap people like MODERN shooters cmon 343 make it modern.

I agree with you. Sadly, no one will actually listen.

> > > > OP, I would hand you a flame suit, but I’m afraid it’s too late.
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> > > Hey I know I’m going to get flamed for this, but I can’t stand to see Halo become a boring repeat franchise because everyone wants to relive a nostalgic Halo:CE experience. I want Halo to live on, and it will only do so by introducing change and we as a community need to support that change. If it changes for the worse then we can make constructive complaints, we simply don’t have sufficient grounds to do that yet.
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> > You realize CoD is the most popular game on the market and it sticks to the same exact formula every time, right? Halo shouldn’t be trying to reinvent itself every game, it should be reusing what worked, fixing what didn’t, and adding useful changes, and from what I’ve seen, not much in Halo 4 MM adheres to this.
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> Yeah, 343i are trying to innovate and do what they think will make the best game, as opposed to rehashing the same old game to maximise profits. How terrible of them.

lol, you do realize that most of these changes are to try to increase profits, right? They’re aiming straight for that CoD demographic.

I’m all with you NathObeaN .
All Halo has brought something new, Halo 4 should be no exception .
I don’t want to have a Halo 1/2/3 as Halo 4. If I want to play Halo CE I play Halo CE. If I want to play Halo 2 I play Halo 2 . And I’m sure that these new elements don’t make Halo 4 cod .

> > > > > OP, I would hand you a flame suit, but I’m afraid it’s too late.
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> > > > Hey I know I’m going to get flamed for this, but I can’t stand to see Halo become a boring repeat franchise because everyone wants to relive a nostalgic Halo:CE experience. I want Halo to live on, and it will only do so by introducing change and we as a community need to support that change. If it changes for the worse then we can make constructive complaints, we simply don’t have sufficient grounds to do that yet.
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> > > You realize CoD is the most popular game on the market and it sticks to the same exact formula every time, right? Halo shouldn’t be trying to reinvent itself every game, it should be reusing what worked, fixing what didn’t, and adding useful changes, and from what I’ve seen, not much in Halo 4 MM adheres to this.
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> > Yeah, 343i are trying to innovate and do what they think will make the best game, as opposed to rehashing the same old game to maximise profits. How terrible of them.
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> lol, you do realize that most of these changes are to try to increase profits, right? They’re aiming straight for that CoD demographic.

Yes, but they weren’t necessary. Why should Halo be reinvented as a CoD clone when CE, 2, and 3 were all massively popular? It should stick to the tried and true formulas of those games, not replicate CoD.