I doubt 343 will use these forums too much as a reference in the development of halo 5. If anything they will just get BS angel to compile a list of what people generally want, which will be submitted to them in about a paragraph or two.
The truth here is that while some of the most dedicated fans are on here, we are not the only ones who play halo. There is a lot more people to appeal to than the mere couple hundred that use these forums still.
Not to say your threads are pointless, just don’t be expecting 343 to even read 75% of these threads.
This is obvious for some, but not for others. Just wanted to tell people that 343 doesn’t have to answer to you.
Flame suit on.
That’s fine, because the sentiment on several other forums and gaming news sites is fairly similar. Besides, I’m sure they can see that their past effort had a rather bad time at retaining the player-base.
> That’s fine, because the sentiment on several other forums and gaming news sites is fairly similar. Besides, I’m sure they can see that their past effort had a rather bad time at retaining the player-base.
Of course. 343 has more than enough information at their fingertips to make Halo 5 an amazing game.
Yes, we don’t represent the whole community, but im pretty sure this is the first place where 343I checks for what people seem to want.
After all, this is the official Halo forum site.
> Yes, we don’t represent the whole community, but im pretty sure this is the first place where 343I checks for what people seem to want.
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> After all, this is the official Halo forum site.
This would be more true if there were more people on these forums.
> > That’s fine, because the sentiment on several other forums and gaming news sites is fairly similar. Besides, I’m sure they can see that their past effort had a rather bad time at retaining the player-base.
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> Of course. 343 has more than enough information at their fingertips to make Halo 5 an amazing game.
Then again, they would be at a disadvantage to not listen to the fanbase here. They don’t have to take every idea to heart, this IS the official Halo community on the official Halo site.
> > Yes, we don’t represent the whole community, but im pretty sure this is the first place where 343I checks for what people seem to want.
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> > After all, this is the official Halo forum site.
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> This would be more true if there were more people on these forums.
There aren’t many people on these forums because there isn’t really anything to talk about now.
Just wait until E3.
> > > That’s fine, because the sentiment on several other forums and gaming news sites is fairly similar. Besides, I’m sure they can see that their past effort had a rather bad time at retaining the player-base.
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> > Of course. 343 has more than enough information at their fingertips to make Halo 5 an amazing game.
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> Then again, they would be at a disadvantage to not listen to the fanbase here. They don’t have to take every idea to heart, this IS the official Halo community on the official Halo site.
It’s important for them to at least look, but the numbers on here are small. It wouldn’t surprise me if they didn’t base much of the game off of these forums. There just simply isn’t enough people on here to get all the info they need.
Your post while it does have some merit is a little inaccurate. When I go on YouTube I see more videos about “Halo 4 sucks!!!” opposed to “Halo 4 is awesome!!!”. If I search halo 2 anniversary, I see lots of tweets talking about people who want a halo 2 anniversary so they “can play a real halo game again” and I would say that the ratio of pro modern halo fan to pro classic fan outside of these forums is equal to the ratio on the forums. When I talk to my friends, the ratio from pro modern halo to pro classic is again about the same.
the only place where I’d say this ratio is inconsistent is with the population of certain playlists but I don’t think its fair to compare those numbers when we don’t have a real classic experience other than a nearly 7 year old game.
its like taking a poll to see which politician would win an election, no they’re not 100% accurate and no they don’t ask everybody who they would vote for but polling is still considered a legitimate practice for finding opinions of the general public.
so I do believe that for the most part we do represent the majority of the community.
A case could certainly be made that this small population of vocal players is not representative of the entire community; that is, if everyone were saying the same thing.
This is not the case, however. The forums are filled with a variety of views, ideas and opinions. While there are issues that swing toward one majority or another, there are still a large number of people with different opinions.
Even though only a fraction of the community voices their options, I think there is enough diversity of opinion in these forums to make the case that they are in fact representative of the majority of the Halo community…
At the end of the day its the devs, not any forums that have the most say. They likely have analysts who go through most this stuff and record trends and the like, and then that present that to the devs. The devs themselves will then take this into consideration during their own debates over design. Its unlikely some dev is just going to go “You know, ILoveHalo117 is right!”.
> There aren’t many people on these forums because there isn’t really anything to talk about now.
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> Just wait until E3.
So much this. Most threads right now are:
[/li]- Wild speculation based on what little we have.
- Attempts to fix ill received features
- Suggesting ‘new’ features that are mostly in other games.
- Pleas to remove most/all new things in h4.
- Claims that cortana is still alive
- People complaining about those that like h4’s features
- People complaining about those that dislike h4’s features
- People complaining about one of the two above.
> A case could certainly be made that this small population of vocal players is not representative of the entire community; that is, if everyone were saying the same thing.
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> This is not the case, however. The forums are filled with a variety of views, ideas and opinions. While there are issues that swing toward one majority or another, there are still a large number of people with different opinions.
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> Even though only a fraction of the community voices their options, I think there is enough diversity of opinion in these forums to make the case that they are in fact representative of the majority of the Halo community…
So you believe that hundreds of people on here are speaking for millions of fans? I don’t agree.
I don’t really see the point of this thread.
Of course we don’t speak for everyone, but if we don’t voice our concerns, then what is there to really talk about?
> I don’t really see the point of this thread.
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> Of course we don’t speak for everyone, but if we don’t voice our concerns, then what is there to really talk about?
Like I said, this is obvious for some people and not for others. I guess I got sick of seeing people on the forums making demands of 343. As if they’re holding a pretend gun to their head.
I wouldn’t say a couple hundred. Probably a few thousand. Perhaps if 343 put a counter on each thread to see how many people have viewed it that would help but you have to remember a lot of people don’t post. I registered on this site a year and a half ago but I only started posting regularly recently.
just look at how many people vote in a poll in a thread then count the number of unique members who posted in the thread to see what I mean.
> I wouldn’t say a couple hundred. Probably a few thousand. Perhaps if 343 put a counter on each thread to see how many people have viewed it that would help but you have to remember a lot of people don’t post. I registered on this site a year and a half ago but I only started posting regularly recently.
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> just look at how many people vote in a poll in a thread then count the number of unique members who posted in the thread to see what I mean.
A fair point but I don’t see much of a difference still.
> > A case could certainly be made that this small population of vocal players is not representative of the entire community; that is, if everyone were saying the same thing.
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> > This is not the case, however. The forums are filled with a variety of views, ideas and opinions. While there are issues that swing toward one majority or another, there are still a large number of people with different opinions.
> >
> > Even though only a fraction of the community voices their options, I think there is enough diversity of opinion in these forums to make the case that they are in fact representative of the majority of the Halo community…
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> So you believe that hundreds of people on here are speaking for millions of fans? I don’t agree.
There are far more than a few hundred people on these forums. And yes, with as many views as are expressed here, I think it is reasonable to assume that this population is a representative sample of the larger majority.
Look at election polls. Pollsters do not go out and interview everyone who is going to vote; they interview a small cross-section of the population. People with diverse views and backgrounds, which are meant to represent the greater majority.
To suggest that everyone has a purely unique opinion, and that there cannot be issues that people will find common ground on is rediculous.
> > > A case could certainly be made that this small population of vocal players is not representative of the entire community; that is, if everyone were saying the same thing.
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> > > This is not the case, however. The forums are filled with a variety of views, ideas and opinions. While there are issues that swing toward one majority or another, there are still a large number of people with different opinions.
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> > > Even though only a fraction of the community voices their options, I think there is enough diversity of opinion in these forums to make the case that they are in fact representative of the majority of the Halo community…
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> > So you believe that hundreds of people on here are speaking for millions of fans? I don’t agree.
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> There are far more than a few hundred people on these forums. And yes, with as many views as are expressed here, I think it is reasonable to assume that this population is a representative sample of the larger majority.
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> Look at election polls. Pollsters do not go out and interview everyone who is going to vote; they interview a small cross-section of the population. People with diverse views and backgrounds, which are meant to represent the greater majority.
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> To suggest that everyone has a purely unique opinion, and that there cannot be issues that people will find common ground on is rediculous.
Yes but this isn’t an election we’re talking about. 343 has so many different ways of getting information. They have all sorts of statistics (what maps are played the most, what guns are used the most, etc) and they have the entire internet full of comments to be able to look at.
I’m willing to bet that they sift through youtube comments because you’re more likely to see the average joe gamers’ opinion on there. There’s so many places for them to look which makes studying on here not as important.
I’m sure 343i would listen to all the fans
> > > > A case could certainly be made that this small population of vocal players is not representative of the entire community; that is, if everyone were saying the same thing.
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> > > > This is not the case, however. The forums are filled with a variety of views, ideas and opinions. While there are issues that swing toward one majority or another, there are still a large number of people with different opinions.
> > > >
> > > > Even though only a fraction of the community voices their options, I think there is enough diversity of opinion in these forums to make the case that they are in fact representative of the majority of the Halo community…
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> > > So you believe that hundreds of people on here are speaking for millions of fans? I don’t agree.
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> > There are far more than a few hundred people on these forums. And yes, with as many views as are expressed here, I think it is reasonable to assume that this population is a representative sample of the larger majority.
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> > Look at election polls. Pollsters do not go out and interview everyone who is going to vote; they interview a small cross-section of the population. People with diverse views and backgrounds, which are meant to represent the greater majority.
> >
> > To suggest that everyone has a purely unique opinion, and that there cannot be issues that people will find common ground on is rediculous.
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> Yes but this isn’t an election we’re talking about. 343 has so many different ways of getting information. They have all sorts of statistics (what maps are played the most, what guns are used the most, etc) and they have the entire internet full of comments to be able to look at.
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> I’m willing to bet that they sift through youtube comments because you’re more likely to see the average joe gamers’ opinion on there. There’s so many places for them to look which makes studying on here not as important.
That doesn’t make any sense. So, the views and opinion on the Halo Waypoint forums aren’t representative of the greater population, but the rest of the Internet is? Are average joe Halo players not allowed on waypoint?
Are you suggesting that, when wanting to talk about a game, most players go first to YouTube and reddit instead of the game’s official forums?