We CAN save Halo 4!

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EDIT: Watchers! Remember this post was made to help 343i in fixing the game and help to bring more people to the game! Instead of moaning around try to find solutions and maybe even give a big thanks to 343i because of everything they have done so far! :smiley:

Hello everyone, my name is DanielTraviss. You can call me Dan and Iā€™ll call you Watchers okay? Good!

So basically I started this post because I hate and I will repeat it, I absolutely HATE how people bashes 343 Industries and this awesome game. NO, Iā€™m not an ignorant, I now all the problems the game has, I know that it HAS to be fixed, I know the game isā€¦ Dying to be honestā€¦ But that doesnā€™t mean that we cannot do anything! Right?

So basically I just want to put a small list of things that the community or well you Watchers have always asked since Day 1 and maybe 343i will listen to us! Once again I repeat that I am pleassed with the work the company has made with this game, outstanding graphics, beautiful campaign and fast multiplayer, not to mention the super awesome Spartan Ops that I still havenā€™t finished yet xD

Anyways! Here is the small list that I managed to get from hearing a lot of people:

1- People actually HATE Infinity Slayer, why is this the reason? Because it doesnā€™t resemble the good olā€™ Halo from before! Yes, itā€™s fast paced, very powerful and mostly fun in any way you can see it, the problem is that Halo has been known for consistency and with this Main Playlist it shows a break in Halo and itā€™s not good. So! A solution to this can be:

Āŗ You could make another type of playlist, if I remember right, Team Throwdown is the competitive playlist right? Then make a balanced and old fashioned Social playlist! Trust me, the numbers on that playlist will skyrocket like popcorns in your microwave :wink:

Iā€™m not saying to completely eliminate Infinity Slayer, because I LOVE it, but you can make it part of this new Social Playlist just like you did with Team Objective, that way you have variety!

2- For me it is a balanced weapon, but people complain for the DMR because of many things, some say the number of shots to kill, others the zoom distance, and others the speed or shooting. How about changing the zooming distance to 2.5 instead of 3? OR you could just slow down the speed when shooting to the level of Halo: Reach. Please Watchers take in mind that this will make the DMR almost obsolete to the BR because of the speed of shots, the BR will eventually win ALL of the battles.

3- Halo 4 NEEDS new kinds of playlists, why not making a full and FREE (take notes 343i because my biggest complain in the FFA playlists is that I have to buy DLC, not good guys, not good.) Free for All playlist, can be called Lone Wolves, Solo Slayer or just simply Slayer but we NEED that playlist, without ordances, without instant respawn and maybe without killcam. I would love to see some FFA action in Halo and I know many people will too :wink:

4- Ever played Counter Strike? Because this advice/solution offer was inspired by the game. People complain about the Boltshot and for good reason, instead of a large bust of one hit kill, how about changing it to be able to switch to a burst fire mode? That way you can still kill faster with the weapon AND you would still have to make effort to get the kill, like a mini BR!

5- In this new playlists Iā€™m thinking and offering, I recomend to take out some large stuff that comes from Infinity Slayer. For example:

Āŗ For the new Social Playlist disable Personal Ordnances, Killcams and Instant Respawn. I donā€™t see why taking Custom loadouts since itā€™s a Social Playlist so there shouldnā€™t be a problem at all. Infiity Slayer can be added to the playlist as a spin-off gametype so you donā€™t lose the basic game at all and you get to please everyone :smiley:

Āŗ Of course, there should be some changes for Team Throwdown. Absolutely NO ARMOR ABILITIES, the complete purpose of a competitive playlist is to be highly balanced in EVERYTHING . So games like Slayer Deluxe shouldnā€™t have AAs, at least thatā€™s what I think.

6- NO RANDOM ORDNANCES, the mainstream in Halo is all about Map and Power Weapons Possetion, Random Ordnances just screw your gameplay and your chances to turn up the tide in the middle of battle. Why not implementing the changes with weapons in Team Throwdown in all the different playlists? That would make a really big difference, and I would love to see that the ordnances in Team Throwdown come like they do in other games like Infinity Slayer or BTB and stuff liek thatā€¦ You know, with the crashing animation and stuffā€¦ That would be AWESOME.

These are the seemly most important to me for now, if you Watchers notify me of other important suggestions to give to 343i in this post Iā€™ll update it!

Now what YOU can do to save the game? Play it! Enjoy it and try to adapt, we are all boud to evolution after all even if it needs some fixes. Recomend your friends to enlist as Spartans and take down powerful aliens and many other fellow Spartans in the War Games of the UNSC Infinity. You can also spread this post so other people can go and discuss! There are so many ways to help!

Remember Watchers, the last thing one ever loses is hope. And I still believe in 343i that they will fix these errors and mistakes, everyhting is possible!

To finally end this post, I want to thank 343i for creating this totally AWESOME game, I love it! And Iā€™ll never change my mind! Even while itā€™s my very first Halo game (and my very first Xbox ^^;) Iā€™ve been following around Halo since CE so I think I know what I am talking aboutā€¦ I think.

Anyway Watchers! Thank you so much for reading, and for the first time in this pageā€¦ Keep on Creating! Adios!

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> So basically I started this post because I hate and I will repeat it, I absolutely HATE how people bashes 343 Industries and this awesome game.

Off to a good startā€¦

> 1- People actually HATE Infinity Slayer, why is this the reason? Because it doesnā€™t resemble the good olā€™ Halo from before! Yes, itā€™s fast paced, very powerful and mostly fun in any way you can see it, the problem is that Halo has been known for consistency and with this Main Playlist it shows a break in Halo and itā€™s not good. So! A solution to this can be:

A solution can be to make Ordnance tiered and set weapon spawns back being on set timers, making it so they donā€™t disappear rapidly, and placing less of them on the maps. Iā€™m not opposed to weapons changing position throughout the match, but they at least need to have some consistency in when they respawn.

> 2- For me it is a balanced weapon, but people complain for the DMR because of many things, some say the number of shots to kill, others the zoom distance, and others the speed or shooting. How about changing the zooming distance to 2.5 instead of 3? OR you could just slow down the speed when shooting to the level of Halo: Reach. Please Watchers take in mind that this will make the DMR almost obsolete to the BR because of the speed of shots, the BR will eventually win ALL of the battles.

You simply donā€™t understand why itā€™s the best choice. Itā€™s not the shots to kill, itā€™s the fact it fires faster and has more accuracy, along with more aim assist range.

It needs nerfed, or the other weapons need buffed to its level. Iā€™m actually starting to see why people want the latter. Eitherway, aim assist and magnetism across the board need nerfed.

> 3- Halo 4 NEEDS new kinds of playlists, why not making a full and FREE (take notes 343i because my biggest complain in the FFA playlists is that I have to buy DLC, not good guys, not good.) Free for All playlist, can be called Lone Wolves, Solo Slayer or just simply Slayer but we NEED that playlist, without ordances, without instant respawn and maybe without killcam. I would love to see some FFA action in Halo and I know many people will too :wink:

We need an FFA playlist. But it would make them less money to not combine gametypes with DLC, so they wonā€™t do it.

> 4- Ever played Counter Strike? Because this advice/solution offer was inspired by the game. People complain about the Boltshot and for good reason, instead of a large bust of one hit kill, how about changing it to be able to switch to a burst fire mode? That way you can still kill faster with the weapon AND you would still have to make effort to get the kill, like a mini BR!

This would be good, but I prefer keeping it as is, except on the map instead of in loadouts.

You also have a misconception that the competitive community absolutely hates loadouts or abilities. For the most part they just hate them in their current form.

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Agreed. The biggest thing 343 can do to save Halo 4 is to make a balanced social slayer.

Secondly: bring back as many custom gametypes as possible, my top three being: race, headhunter, and VIP. But any and all would be welcome.

Next: bring back old school social playlists such as multi-team and action sack, that trive on having a variety of fun and interesting gametypes in a chaotic environment.

Then: Increase the number of options in existing and future gametypes so that grifball can properly function as assault and CTF can have 1-flag as well as any and all classic settings.

Lastly: Bring back BTB with objectives and balance vehicles with custom loadouts and PO.

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I feel that Halo 4 is awesome as is, and I would like to see Halo stay as far away from counterstrike as possible; no offense but that game sucks donkey balls.

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Why are you repeating what has been said a hundred times before?

Also, point 1 is invalid. Some people have an issue with Infinity Slayer, me as well, but to say itā€™s hated it completely wrong. The 2 Infinity Slayer playlists are always top of the population by quite a way, https://www.halowaypoint.com/en-us/intel/playlists, so it looks like most people love it. We have to accept weā€™re in the minority.

Would like to add, Iā€™ve really been enjoying Halo 4 in the last week since the new map pack came out, it feels like Halo of old. FFA playlist, good settings for Rumble Pro, and no instant spawn.

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I feel although this game has itā€™s flaws and an overpowered DNR (yes I know I put a N rather than an M), it is very fun to play. I am not the best player but I am not the worst. For me it is less infuriating than Halo 3 (the amount of times I was killed through walls, or I sniped someone in the head 3 times only for them to kill me. Being matched up against a full party of genuine 50ā€™s, I could go onā€¦) Unfortunately the community in general seem to be made up of sheep and hate on the game just because the next person does, who in turn hates on it because some mlg wannabe does. This spreads and the population has suffered, Some do not want this game and 343 to succeedā€¦ just because it was not made by Bungie or 343 didnā€™t put their ideas into the game or added ideas some do not like.

I find it amazing how last summer people raved about this game after playing it at shows like E3 and PAX, only to turn around and bash the game a week after release. When they already knew what the game would be like.

The only way this game will succeed and last will be if people actually pull their head out of their -Yoinks!- and play the game, rather than whine like cry-babies. If thereā€™s no decent population playing the game, 343 wonā€™t bother ā€œfixingā€ anything because it will not be worth it.

The lower the population is, will result in the games being of a lower quality, there will be less playlists and less support and updates.

But unfortunately this kind of thing spreads like wild fire. So if this game is to become more popular than it is. I think itā€™ll take a miracle. I donā€™t think anyone can save it. Not some random threads on a forum or 343 themselves.

People wanted smaller maps, they got them.

They wanted a nerfed Boltshot, they got it,

They wanted a working file browser, they got it.

They wanted a competitive playlist, they have it (which currently has 241 people playing it.)

Thereā€™s an upcoming ranking system and another TU that addresses weapon balance, admittedly the game should not have required it, but it doesā€¦

These changes have done nothing to raise the population. Whatever changes, it will not be enough, unless the community changes.

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> I feel although this game has itā€™s flaws and an overpowered DNR (yes I know I put a N rather than an M), it is very fun to play. I am not the best player but I am not the worst. For me it is less infuriating than Halo 3 (the amount of times I was killed through walls, or I sniped someone in the head 3 times only for them to kill me. Being matched up against a full party of genuine 50ā€™s, I could go onā€¦) Unfortunately the community in general seem to be made up of sheep and hate on the game just because the next person does, who in turn hates on it because some mlg wannabe does. This spreads and the population has suffered, Some do not want this game and 343 to succeedā€¦ just because it was not made by Bungie or 343 didnā€™t put their ideas into the game or added ideas some do not like.
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> I find it amazing how last summer people raved about this game after playing it at shows like E3 and PAX, only to turn around and bash the game a week after release. When they already knew what the game would be like.
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> The only way this game will succeed and last will be if people actually pull their head out of their -Yoinks!- and play the game, rather than whine like cry-babies. If thereā€™s no decent population playing the game, 343 wonā€™t bother ā€œfixingā€ anything because it will not be worth it.
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> The lower the population is, will result in the games being of a lower quality, there will be less playlists and less support and updates.
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> But unfortunately this kind of thing spreads like wild fire. So if this game is to become more popular than it is. I think itā€™ll take a miracle. I donā€™t think anyone can save it. Not some random threads on a forum or 343 themselves.
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> People wanted smaller maps, they got them.
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> They wanted a nerfed Boltshot, they got it,
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> They wanted a working file browser, they got it.
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> They wanted a competitive playlist, they have it (which currently has 241 people playing it.)
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> Thereā€™s an upcoming ranking system and another TU that addresses weapon balance, admittedly the game should not have required it, but it doesā€¦
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> These changes have done nothing to raise the population. Whatever changes, it will not be enough, unless the community changes.

Smaller maps that should have come with the launched title and would have except 343 Industries and Microsoft are money hungry and know the Halo faithful will wait and pay for maps they should already have.

A boltshot nerf that took 3 months and its still too OP.

A working file share that Halo 3 had in 2007 on day one but took 343 3 months to get fixed, in 2013.

A competitive playlist that is only reasonably playable if you have 3 other teammates to play with because the matchmaking in this game is so broken that it pairs you with noobs against MLG pros. You make a point of saying it only has 241 people playing it, but Halo 3 had ranks and a decent competitive setup and that game remained the 3rd most played game on Xbox Live 3 years after its release, thanks solely to the decent competitive setup. (side note, even if 343 did implement visible ranks its still too late, most competitive players have ditched halo all together)

A ranking system that isnā€™t even visible in game (so noone will care) and maybe in the next Title Update 343 might buff the DMR, because they make a habit of doing the opposite of what the community wants.

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> Smaller maps that should have come with the launched title and would have except 343 Industries and Microsoft are money hungry and know the Halo faithful will wait and pay for maps they should already have.

Unfortunately true, but inevitable. Shouldnā€™t be like that, you expect anything else in an age where Horse meat is sold as Beef?

> A boltshot nerf that took 3 months and its still too OP.

It really is not a BIG DEAL. In my last 15 games I was killed with it twice. I guess it depends on which playlists you are in. But not as frustrating as being team shot by 5 DMRs (which from my point of view is like being killed in one shot from the other side of the map.)

> A working file share that Halo 3 had in 2007 had on day but took 343 3 months to get fixed, in 2013.

Again true but totally irrelevant now, as itā€™s here. (Which was my point.)

> A competitive playlist that is only reasonably playable if you have 3 other teammates to play with because the matchmaking in this game is so broken that it pairs you with noobs against MLG pros. You make a point of saying it only has 241 people playing it, but Halo 3 had ranks and a decent competitive setup and that game remained the 3rd most played game on Xbox Live 3 years after its release, thanks solely to the decent competitive setup.

Actually if you went into ranked Team Slayer or MLG by yourself you would have been destroyed due to being paired up with not as skilled players against MLG wannabes (at the higher ranks in Team slayer). Unless you were a god or a cheat. So pretty much as it is now. Which is again the same as Halo 2 and Reach in the Team Hardcore and MLG playlists. My point was the fact that considering the playlist was demanded by the community it sees considerably less players than the Infinity playlists.

> A ranking system that isnā€™t even visible in game (so noone will care) and maybe in the next Title Update 343 might buff the DMR, because they make a habit of doing the opposite of what the community wants.

I would prefer it to be visible just so it would shut people up moaning about it, really I donā€™t care. If someone needs an ego boost thatā€™s up to them. If people are too lazy to look on Waypoint, again itā€™s up to them. But they are quite prepared to go on Waypoint to post thread after thread whining about it. This is not 2007 and things change not necessarily for the best, but they change. Companies become bigger and less caring to their customers. Hell for all the moaning that has been done about the DMR maybe they will leave it or make it stronger just to spite usā€¦ but I doubt it.

I read on a forum the other day, that someone said (and I donā€™t remember who or where), ā€œthat the PS2/XBOX generation was about the Gamer and the Games, while this generation (PS3/360) is about the customer.ā€ Now I thought that was a good statement and obviously true from what I have seen, it ainā€™t going to go back to the old days.

I feel today we should just get on and enjoy what we have, while we can. Stop wasting time trying to change things that we cannot change. My point still stands If not enough people play this game then we will let it die, just as much as the developers. And whatever changes that have been made and will be made do not appear to be bringing the players back. In turn proving that 343ā€™s original vision for Halo 4 was the right way to go. So coming on here and just attacking the game,343 and other players/forum users (which is basically nearly every thread) is a total waste of time.

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Counter Strike sucks for consoles, but ever played it in PC? Itā€™s awesome. But Iā€™m not saying that we have to compare both games, what I am saying is that we could turn the One-Shot kill of the Boltshot into a burst fire mode, that way it would still kill easier but you would need to spend more time in it.

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give us Action Sack with the most retarted game modes possible and this game will be fine.

Or do atlast a permanent Fiesta playlist and whatch the playercount growing

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> > A solution can be to make Ordnance tiered and set weapon spawns back being on set timers, making it so they donā€™t disappear rapidly, and placing less of them on the maps. Iā€™m not opposed to weapons changing position throughout the match, but they at least need to have some consistency in when they respawn.
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> That would help a lot! Nice suggestion! I donā€™t want the weapons to be changed at all, but consistency and some nifty changes in other playlists to get weapons spawn like Ordnances would be awesome.
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> > You simply donā€™t understand why itā€™s the best choice. Itā€™s not the shots to kill, itā€™s the fact it fires faster and has more accuracy, along with more aim assist range.
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> > It needs nerfed, or the other weapons need buffed to its level. Iā€™m actually starting to see why people want the latter. Eitherway, aim assist and magnetism across the board need nerfed.
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> Thatā€™s true I donā€™t thatā€™s why I want to hear people and to try and make another post that would probably never be heard by 343i. But if it means to save Halo from oblivionā€¦ Because most people think itā€™s dead already then Iā€™ll do everything I can to help this game to grow. Aim Assist and magnetism can be solved, but I think that slowing down the DMR will totally outclass it which would not be really fair, buffing other weapons would work, BR could have a bigger zoon and get a speed up in fire shooting like for example shooting at the same speed of the Covenant Carbine or maybe almost like it. Light Rifle could kill in 5 shots unscoped and the Carbine in 6 (apologize if I messed up with the number of shots to kill on each weapon, I donā€™t remember the amount of shots needed to kill someone with both LR and Carbine). It all depends in how well it gets balanced.
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> > We need an FFA playlist. But it would make them less money to not combine gametypes with DLC, so they wonā€™t do it.
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> They need to learn that in order to make money you need to please at least 75% of teh community, why have other playlists like Team Objective and Team Snipers for free but not FFA? Doesnā€™t make any sense right? 343i is doing a great jopb but they need to reach that 75% of pleasing so they can breath without trouble.
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> > This would be good, but I prefer keeping it as is, except on the map instead of in loadouts.
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> Either option is fine, but then how about erasing the Boltshot and create a brand new weapon? ā€¦ NO no forget it! xD Too much work! But the burst fire mode would workā€¦
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> > You also have a misconception that the competitive community absolutely hates loadouts or abilities. For the most part they just hate them in their current form.
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> Why? Because it make Halo a pseudo-Call of Duty? That its a horrible lie! Halo is not and will never be CoD in any way! I will not start talking about the differences in Halo and CoD (and yes, I love both games) so. Why not giving them a chance? We can take off AAs from Competitive playlists to please them! We have to try new things and this all started in Halo: Reach, not in this new Halo 4. Letā€™s think for a sec, would you like to start again with an AR and a crappy Magnum? I wouldnā€™t liek taht to be honest, unless Iā€™m playing in competitive settings.

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> I feel although this game has itā€™s flaws and an overpowered DNR (yes I know I put a N rather than an M), it is very fun to play. I am not the best player but I am not the worst. For me it is less infuriating than Halo 3 (the amount of times I was killed through walls, or I sniped someone in the head 3 times only for them to kill me. Being matched up against a full party of genuine 50ā€™s, I could go onā€¦) Unfortunately the community in general seem to be made up of sheep and hate on the game just because the next person does, who in turn hates on it because some mlg wannabe does. This spreads and the population has suffered, Some do not want this game and 343 to succeedā€¦ just because it was not made by Bungie or 343 didnā€™t put their ideas into the game or added ideas some do not like.
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> I find it amazing how last summer people raved about this game after playing it at shows like E3 and PAX, only to turn around and bash the game a week after release. When they already knew what the game would be like.
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> The only way this game will succeed and last will be if people actually pull their head out of their -Yoinks!- and play the game, rather than whine like cry-babies. If thereā€™s no decent population playing the game, 343 wonā€™t bother ā€œfixingā€ anything because it will not be worth it.
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> The lower the population is, will result in the games being of a lower quality, there will be less playlists and less support and updates.
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> But unfortunately this kind of thing spreads like wild fire. So if this game is to become more popular than it is. I think itā€™ll take a miracle. I donā€™t think anyone can save it. Not some random threads on a forum or 343 themselves.
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> People wanted smaller maps, they got them.
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> They wanted a nerfed Boltshot, they got it,
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> They wanted a working file browser, they got it.
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> They wanted a competitive playlist, they have it (which currently has 241 people playing it.)
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> Thereā€™s an upcoming ranking system and another TU that addresses weapon balance, admittedly the game should not have required it, but it doesā€¦
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> These changes have done nothing to raise the population. Whatever changes, it will not be enough, unless the community changes.

Itā€™s just a matter that the hate is spreaded by the MLG Pros and the Youtube commentators, I donā€™t agree with lots of them. Halo 4 IS a great game but if we are going to bash 343i because of the mistakes done in the past then we are never going to be able to save the game.

Dude, we need suggestions! Solutions! Anything that might help even a bit! What can we do? Play the game! Thank 343i! There are so many ways to sav ethe game but no one seem to care anymore, I am preparing a big thanks to 343i because of all the hard work they are making. I donā€™t care if the CSR is in Waypoint, I donā€™t care if they donā€™t add ā€œthisā€ map, I donā€™t care if they take out the Boltshot or not. I am a casual gamer that is willing to become a competitive one and I am up for the challenge to play the game and enjoy it as a true Halo fan.

My suggestion? To make a post thanking 343i for everyhting, making a drawing, making a montage of your gameplays, or just a video of a game you enjoy a lot.

Remember that possibilities are endless, donā€™t become part of the whole and think only by yourself :wink:

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> Why are you repeating what has been said a hundred times before?
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> Also, point 1 is invalid. Some people have an issue with Infinity Slayer, me as well, but to say itā€™s hated it completely wrong. The 2 Infinity Slayer playlists are always top of the population by quite a way, https://www.halowaypoint.com/en-us/intel/playlists, so it looks like most people love it. We have to accept weā€™re in the minority.
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> Would like to add, Iā€™ve really been enjoying Halo 4 in the last week since the new map pack came out, it feels like Halo of old. FFA playlist, good settings for Rumble Pro, and no instant spawn.

I know these suggestions are horribly repeated. But how can 343i listen to us if we donā€™t add pressure?

I never said that I hated Infinity Slayer, itā€™s my favorite playlist! :smiley: But I know lots of people who really hate it.

I would play it but I have to pay, my suggestion is to have a new FFA playlist for free. Maybe after the Castle mappack comes then the Magestic playlists will dissapear and weā€™ll have a new FFA playliest. Who knows. But I would love have a free playlist for FFA. I think lots of people would agree with that ^^

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> > Smaller maps that should have come with the launched title and would have except 343 Industries and Microsoft are money hungry and know the Halo faithful will wait and pay for maps they should already have.
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> Unfortunately true, but inevitable. Shouldnā€™t be like that, you expect anything else in an age where Horse meat is sold as Beef?
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> > A boltshot nerf that took 3 months and its still too OP.
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> It really is not a BIG DEAL. In my last 15 games I was killed with it twice. I guess it depends on which playlists you are in. But not as frustrating as being team shot by 5 DMRs (which from my point of view is like being killed in one shot from the other side of the map.)
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> > A working file share that Halo 3 had in 2007 had on day but took 343 3 months to get fixed, in 2013.
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> Again true but totally irrelevant now, as itā€™s here. (Which was my point.)
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> > A competitive playlist that is only reasonably playable if you have 3 other teammates to play with because the matchmaking in this game is so broken that it pairs you with noobs against MLG pros. You make a point of saying it only has 241 people playing it, but Halo 3 had ranks and a decent competitive setup and that game remained the 3rd most played game on Xbox Live 3 years after its release, thanks solely to the decent competitive setup.
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> Actually if you went into ranked Team Slayer or MLG by yourself you would have been destroyed due to being paired up with not as skilled players against MLG wannabes (at the higher ranks in Team slayer). Unless you were a god or a cheat. So pretty much as it is now. Which is again the same as Halo 2 and Reach in the Team Hardcore and MLG playlists. My point was the fact that considering the playlist was demanded by the community it sees considerably less players than the Infinity playlists.
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> > A ranking system that isnā€™t even visible in game (so noone will care) and maybe in the next Title Update 343 might buff the DMR, because they make a habit of doing the opposite of what the community wants.
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> I would prefer it to be visible just so it would shut people up moaning about it, really I donā€™t care. If someone needs an ego boost thatā€™s up to them. If people are too lazy to look on Waypoint, again itā€™s up to them. But they are quite prepared to go on Waypoint to post thread after thread whining about it. This is not 2007 and things change not necessarily for the best, but they change. Companies become bigger and less caring to their customers. Hell for all the moaning that has been done about the DMR maybe they will leave it or make it stronger just to spite usā€¦ but I doubt it.
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> I read on a forum the other day, that someone said (and I donā€™t remember who or where), ā€œthat the PS2/XBOX generation was about the Gamer and the Games, while this generation (PS3/360) is about the customer.ā€ Now I thought that was a good statement and obviously true from what I have seen, it ainā€™t going to go back to the old days.
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> I feel today we should just get on and enjoy what we have, while we can. Stop wasting time trying to change things that we cannot change. My point still stands If not enough people play this game then we will let it die, just as much as the developers. And whatever changes that have been made and will be made do not appear to be bringing the players back. In turn proving that 343ā€™s original vision for Halo 4 was the right way to go. So coming on here and just attacking the game,343 and other players/forum users (which is basically nearly every thread) is a total waste of time.

Remember this post is to find people who still believe in 343i and love the game. This is not to fight! This thread is to try and get organized and maybe give a BIG thanks to 343i! So stop figting and help each other into bringing this game back to life :smiley:

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Hey, DanielTraviss ! No ā€¦

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OP, good thread. But itā€™s missing something.

To save Halo this game needs a good connection search option. Iā€™m from Australia and every single one of my Halo friends, every single one of them has given up on Halo because of the removal of this feature. Some of these people played Halo 3 up until Reach came out and played Reach up until Halo 4 came out.

Now theyā€™ve all left.

In Australia we donā€™t even complain about ordinance or weapon balance cause we canā€™t even get a good connection game. Itā€™s atrocious. Hereā€™s a mega thread about it, 1500 votes and 70+ pages of despair:

https://forums.halowaypoint.com/yaf_postst129636p72_NO--REGIONAL-FILTER----OR--GOOD-CONNECTION.aspx

If this feature is put back into the game I know almost all of my friends will come back to the game.

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> Hey, DanielTraviss ! No ā€¦

No? What kind of answer is that? We CAN save it! But people like you who lost hope and think it will never be fixed are just the cannon fodder that is not going to let 343i to really fix the game. Sorry man, but thatā€™s how I think of youā€¦

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A lot has been proposed towards saving this game, but at least 343 is taking slow, but steady action towards these issues.

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> OP, good thread. But itā€™s missing something.
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> To save Halo this game needs a good connection search option. Iā€™m from Australia and every single one of my Halo friends, every single one of them has given up on Halo because of the removal of this feature. Some of these people played Halo 3 up until Reach came out and played Reach up until Halo 4 came out.
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> Now theyā€™ve all left.
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> In Australia we donā€™t even complain about ordinance or weapon balance cause we canā€™t even get a good connection game. Itā€™s atrocious. Hereā€™s a mega thread about it, 1500 votes and 70+ pages of despair:
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> https://forums.halowaypoint.com/yaf_postst129636p72_NO--REGIONAL-FILTER----OR--GOOD-CONNECTION.aspx
>
> If this feature is put back into the game I know almost all of my friends will come back to the game.

Great suggestion! I am from Latin America, Venezuela to be exact and I know what you feel! I cannot play some games because I get really laggy if my family are using the internet too! And in other games itā€™s normal!