I had an idea for a script, but before I make it or post it publicly, I wanted to make sure I wasn’t breaking any rules. I know it’s do-able…but I wanted to check first. I realize the interest in keeping the site the way it is, but this can be a useful enhancement, not only for new people who are just getting into it, but also for people who might have multiple accounts (such as me and my wife).
The main goal would be to:
test known codes (it would do so with a list that gets imbedded into the site, you can click on a code and it will test what the response is)
automatically submit known codes (like above, you can click on a code and it automatically clicks the related glyphs and submits)
enter unknown codes (shows a prompt where you can type any alpha-numeric code and clicks the related glyphs and submits)
Lastly, and this is the part that might actually be “not cool” is the script could test every possible code and output what codes work to find every possible code. Obviously, this could put a lot of strain on the system so this would have to be only for “admin” purposes to find new/unknown codes. Let me know your thoughts…thanks!
> Lastly, and this is the part that might actually be “not cool” is the script could test every possible code and output what codes work to find every possible code. Obviously, this could put a lot of strain on the system so this would have to be only for “admin” purposes to find new/unknown codes. Let me know your thoughts…thanks!
So a brute-force password guesser for the Classified keyboard page, then? That’s probably not something that 343i would approve of. :\
As for the other features? I have no clue. Have you considered sending a PM to bs angel or rukizzel asking about this?
> > Lastly, and this is the part that might actually be “not cool” is the script could test every possible code and output what codes work to find every possible code. Obviously, this could put a lot of strain on the system so this would have to be only for “admin” purposes to find new/unknown codes. Let me know your thoughts…thanks!
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> So a brute-force password guesser for the Classified keyboard page, then? That’s probably not something that 343i would approve of. :
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> As for the other features? I have no clue. Have you considered sending a PM to bs angel or rukizzel asking about this?
Yeah I figured the brute force guesser would be a bad idea. Not just with the load possibility of 37-n and up to 10-r that just in 10 digit range (not counting 1-9) allowing for all possible orders and repetition would be: 4.80858437e+15 (4,808,584,372,417,849) possibilities. But also just brute force getting all the possible codes rather than getting them thru the normal channels. But I thought the other features might be a good idea for lots of different reasons and not really “break” anything, since it does the same as manually entering the code just alot easier and faster! If they didn’t complete the requirement it can’t force it. I’m new to posting at this board, so I didn’t know those people, but I will PM them. Thanks for the advice!
I Second this. Also it probably would not work as they more than likely enable the codes when we are close to decoding them, thus brute forcing is pointless.
Besides taking the fun out the process, I don’t think this would work anyway. As far as we (SEC3) know, the codes are enabled over time or with certain conditions. In other words, all possible codes are not yet available.
I’ll add my voice to this. SECTION 3 Does not approve at all. Such a program would not only risk a ban on it’s creator and users, but it would spoil the spirit of the game entirely. I’m sure the casual user might enjoy the convenience of clicking only one icon to get the full 10 digit code entered, but the possible risk of abuse and damage is not worth the convenience.
Thanks, I really do appreciate the response. Is that because of the “brute force” concept? I completely understand the “issues” of this and was just an idea. That mainly came from the “brute force” method on the S3 website where 1-2 of the glyphs were said to be found via brute force. I’m more interested in opinions of the other features?
> > Section 3 Does not approve this message
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> Thanks, I really do appreciate the response. Is that because of the “brute force” concept? I completely understand the “issues” of this and was just an idea. That mainly came from the “brute force” method on the S3 website where 1-2 of the glyphs were said to be found via brute force. I’m more interested in opinions of the other features?
If you are so interested and obviously capable at programming why not join section 3 in the IRC and help with the decoding and the fun rather then make a program that takes away the game aspect of this ARG. Or is it an issue that the broader community isn’t aware that the codes are in fact coming from an ARG?
We have only brute forced the last couple of glyphs per code because it is manageable to do so and we were informed by people running the game (our handlers) that it is acceptable in those situations. But there is a lot of work involved in finding the first 8 or 9 glyphs which is the fun part of the ARG. We can always use new people with new talents to help in the decoding, from brain storming to actual manipulation of data.
> If you are so interested and obviously capable at programming why not join section 3 in the IRC and help with the decoding and the fun rather then make a program that takes away the game aspect of this ARG. Or is it an issue that the broader community isn’t aware that the codes are in fact coming from an ARG?
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> We have only brute forced the last couple of glyphs per code because it is manageable to do so and we were informed by people running the game (our handlers) that it is acceptable in those situations. But there is a lot of work involved in finding the first 8 or 9 glyphs which is the fun part of the ARG. We can always use new people with new talents to help in the decoding, from brain storming to actual manipulation of data.
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> http://client00.chat.mibbit.com/?server=irc.webchat.org&channel=#halo4arg
I really do respect everyone involved in the ARG. My idea was NOT intended to take away from anyone involved or anything like that. The truth is, the entire concept started ONLY because after playing CEA and learning about the glyphs, then learning about the ARG… I was a little “late” to the game to find out there was a whole other game & codes I was unaware of. As mentioned before, entering the 5-10 glyphs per code (currently there is about 20+ known codes) for both me and my wife’s account (we play co-op more often then I play solo) was slightly tedious. I know some people would consider it “lazy” but I thought it would be faster if I just made a list of the known codes (both the ones we figured out while playing and the ones we just found out about) and submitted them for both me and my wifes account. Then I thought about sharing it with other people who might not have the time to get involved with the ARG but still enjoy Halo as much as the rest of us and want to enjoy playing and getting the extras that come with the codes. Obviously, the thought process was similar to the wix website that posts the known codes. If it was ALL about the ARG, you would want every person to decode each glyph themselves, but the community effort to share each glyph and code as its figured out, is similar to my original idea to make it easier to enter the code once its decoded. Perhaps the “brute force” concept was a little too much and everyone seems to be focusing on that part. As I’ve said, I completely understand ALL the issues this could cause. Now that I understand the 1-2 brute force glyphs that were already done, I think my script could help with that as well instead of trying to brute force the ENTIRE code. But I’m not sure what current methods you use. And more importantly…I want to put the brute force method off the table and focus on the other features. Again, for the people who live and breathe this…I don’t think it will be that important and may seem lazy…but for everyday people and people who love halo but aren’t involved compeletely in the ARG and just visit the site for the codes might find this useful. That’s my 2 cents. Thanks for the invitation and input…I will discuss more in the IRC if/when I have time.
> > If you are so interested and obviously capable at programming why not join section 3 in the IRC and help with the decoding and the fun rather then make a program that takes away the game aspect of this ARG. Or is it an issue that the broader community isn’t aware that the codes are in fact coming from an ARG?
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> > We have only brute forced the last couple of glyphs per code because it is manageable to do so and we were informed by people running the game (our handlers) that it is acceptable in those situations. But there is a lot of work involved in finding the first 8 or 9 glyphs which is the fun part of the ARG. We can always use new people with new talents to help in the decoding, from brain storming to actual manipulation of data.
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> > http://client00.chat.mibbit.com/?server=irc.webchat.org&channel=#halo4arg
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> I really do respect everyone involved in the ARG. My idea was NOT intended to take away from anyone involved or anything like that. The truth is, the entire concept started ONLY because after playing CEA and learning about the glyphs, then learning about the ARG… I was a little “late” to the game to find out there was a whole other game & codes I was unaware of. As mentioned before, entering the 5-10 glyphs per code (currently there is about 20+ known codes) for both me and my wife’s account (we play co-op more often then I play solo) was slightly tedious. I know some people would consider it “lazy” but I thought it would be faster if I just made a list of the known codes (both the ones we figured out while playing and the ones we just found out about) and submitted them for both me and my wifes account. Then I thought about sharing it with other people who might not have the time to get involved with the ARG but still enjoy Halo as much as the rest of us and want to enjoy playing and getting the extras that come with the codes. Obviously, the thought process was similar to the wix website that posts the known codes. If it was ALL about the ARG, you would want every person to decode each glyph themselves, but the community effort to share each glyph and code as its figured out, is similar to my original idea to make it easier to enter the code once its decoded. Perhaps the “brute force” concept was a little too much and everyone seems to be focusing on that part. As I’ve said, I completely understand ALL the issues this could cause. Now that I understand the 1-2 brute force glyphs that were already done, I think my script could help with that as well instead of trying to brute force the ENTIRE code. But I’m not sure what current methods you use. And more importantly…I want to put the brute force method off the table and focus on the other features. Again, for the people who live and breathe this…I don’t think it will be that important and may seem lazy…but for everyday people and people who love halo but aren’t involved compeletely in the ARG and just visit the site for the codes might find this useful. That’s my 2 cents. Thanks for the invitation and input…I will discuss more in the IRC if/when I have time.
i dont think there is much of an issue about having a script that lets you enter the KNOWN codes faster. just the other part which would ruin the fun of discovering the new glyphs is all
> i dont think there is much of an issue about having a script that lets you enter the KNOWN codes faster. just the other part which would ruin the fun of discovering the new glyphs is all
Thanks! That was my opinion…thus reading my original post the 3 main goals were all to support that and that only. But it’s good to get other people’s opinions as well especially from S3.
Screenshots look nifty. Didn’t install it, but checked it out.
For the majority of people that want nothing to do with the gathering/decoding of the codes and don’t want to have to manually enter them all (for whatever reason, not judging), this is pretty neat.
I’m probably a bit biased though cause I code myself…
Realistically, who doesn’t love a “do it for me” button?
> Screenshots look nifty. Didn’t install it, but checked it out.
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> For the majority of people that want nothing to do with the gathering/decoding of the codes and don’t want to have to manually enter them all (for whatever reason, not judging), this is pretty neat.
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> I’m probably a bit biased though cause I code myself…
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> Realistically, who doesn’t love a “do it for me” button?
I appreciate the honest feedback, especially from the people from the IRC such as yourself. I know everyone has their own coding style. I know the code could be a little better and the css is rather basic. But that was kind of the idea…to do something as simple as entering the codes a faster (with 1 click) for multiple codes and multiple accounts had to be basic enough that it didn’t take more time to make it, then it did just to do it. So I’ve kept it VERY simple. As you said, I think the main people that benefit are the families who have multiple accounts (such as me and my wife) and people that are still new and catching up to the wonderful world of the ARG or people that just enjoy playing halo and don’t really get involved indepth with the ARG. Although…the options to help the ARG are there as a foundation, if it ever became more involved.
