So I was wondering that if ancient humanity had of contacted the Forerunners asking for help instead of radically invading their worlds, could they of teamed together to ultimately destroy the flood, instead of having to fight on two fronts? With this they would have greater resources and potentially less infected personnel. We know that both sides had been weakened until humanity was defeated, with bodies free for the flood to infect when they returned again after hiding away. It’s a shame this wasn’t the first option considered by ancient humanity, maybe things would of been different.
I think the justification given was that ancient humans did not have time to contact the Forerunners. They had to act quickly to contain the Flood and that came across as an act of aggression. Many Forerunners understood in time what was happening, but some still believed the humans were enemies.
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> I think the justification given was that ancient humans did not have time to contact the Forerunners. They had to act quickly to contain the Flood and that came across as an act of aggression. Many Forerunners understood in time what was happening, but some still believed the humans were enemies.
I believe this is correct. Though, I’m not sure how they really would’ve had ‘No time’ to contact them… They maintained some sort of relationship before this.
Ancient Humanity and the Forerunners.
One can argue the two species are “brothers” in the galaxy as they were both created by the long departed Precursors. According to the Primordial one was chosen to inherit the Mantle of Responsibility and the other would be passed over. Now fast forward ten million years and while the two galactic powers existed together, Ancient Humanity and the Forerunners considered themselves the rightful inheritors of the MoR and the first thing seperating any form of alliance is there religious doctrines. The Forerunners weren’t keen on Ancient Humanity claiming themselves to the rightful inheritors as they considered life sacred and Ancient Humanity had no qualms erasing life.
Now assuming religious doctrine doesn’t impede them.
The Human-San Shyuum Alliance and the Forerunner Ecumene would never agree on a course of action. It is very likely the Flood is still only ravaging Human and San Shyuum space and seeing as how they are only allies. I’d bet the Forerunners would instead focus on containment instead of outright burning the parasite away, meanwhile Ancient Humanity would have no qualms turning planets to slag or even sacrificing a third of there population for a “cure” that never existed. It also doesn’t help the Forerunners version of the MoR is to treat all life sacred, so I can also bet, they’d hesitate to work with Humanity and the San Shyuum in a crusade to wipe out the Flood.
Now assuming none of the previous happens.
It is unlikely even combined the Human-San Shyuum Alliance and the Forerunner Ecumene would have prevailed. It is unknown exactly how long the Human-Flood War lasted but it can be assumed multiple graveminds were formed. In the time spent ironing out an alliance between the Humans, San Shyuum and Forerunners, it is entirely possible Keyminds would have formed. That is a worst case scenario of course but still likely as Human and San Shyuum space is being ravaged currently and should a Keymind form. The Halo Array wouldn’t exist yet and Precursor tech is near indestructable so they would be screwed especially when Cbarum Hakkor is Precursor Tech central.
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> > I think the justification given was that ancient humans did not have time to contact the Forerunners. They had to act quickly to contain the Flood and that came across as an act of aggression. Many Forerunners understood in time what was happening, but some still believed the humans were enemies.
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> I believe this is correct. Though, I’m not sure how they really would’ve had ‘No time’ to contact them… They maintained some sort of relationship before this.
Yeah, that’s what I thought too. I mean, they were both capable of space travel. You’d think a simple “Hey, we’re blasting the Flood and not you” sort of message wouldn’t take all that long.
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> > > I think the justification given was that ancient humans did not have time to contact the Forerunners. They had to act quickly to contain the Flood and that came across as an act of aggression. Many Forerunners understood in time what was happening, but some still believed the humans were enemies.
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> > I believe this is correct. Though, I’m not sure how they really would’ve had ‘No time’ to contact them… They maintained some sort of relationship before this.
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> Yeah, that’s what I thought too. I mean, they were both capable of space travel. You’d think a simple “Hey, we’re blasting the Flood and not you” sort of message wouldn’t take all that long.
Exactly! That always bugged me. Maybe there is a better explanation somewhere, I’ve yet to see it.
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> > > > I think the justification given was that ancient humans did not have time to contact the Forerunners. They had to act quickly to contain the Flood and that came across as an act of aggression. Many Forerunners understood in time what was happening, but some still believed the humans were enemies.
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> > Yeah, that’s what I thought too. I mean, they were both capable of space travel. You’d think a simple “Hey, we’re blasting the Flood and not you” sort of message wouldn’t take all that long.
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> Exactly! That always bugged me. Maybe there is a better explanation somewhere, I’ve yet to see it.
That was my basis for this post. Maybe I have also yet to find a better explanation, but the one that is mentioned above is the only one I know of, which also bugs me. I was hoping I could get some answers from making this, but I’m still left with the same questions.
Keep in mind how much time the Forerunners wasted trying to cure the Flood, and the amount of disdain they already held for humanity. It’s not that humanity didn’t have enough time to tell the Forerunners of the Flood threat, it’s that they didn’t have time to wait for the Forerunners to dive into attempts to stop the Flood that humanity already tried.
There are also hints in the Forerunner Saga that the incorporeal Precursors may still be around, deliberately staying below the radar, which would mean that the Flood (created from the true Precursors’ biological avatars) is still subject to their plan, which in hindsight appears to have been to let the Forerunners achieve their maximum potential, and then level final judgement against them. That being the case, nothing anyone in the Halo universe did would have prevented the Flood from causing the extinction of the Forerunners.
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> Keep in mind how much time the Forerunners wasted trying to cure the Flood, and the amount of disdain they already held for humanity. It’s not that humanity didn’t have enough time to tell the Forerunners of the Flood threat, it’s that they didn’t have time to wait for the Forerunners to dive into attempts to stop the Flood that humanity already tried.
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> There are also hints in the Forerunner Saga that the incorporeal Precursors may still be around, deliberately staying below the radar, which would mean that the Flood (created from the true Precursors’ biological avatars) is still subject to their plan, which in hindsight appears to have been to let the Forerunners achieve their maximum potential, and then level final judgement against them. That being the case, nothing anyone in the Halo universe did would have prevented the Flood from causing the extinction of the Forerunners.
I guess that does make sense with how the plan of the Precursors was; to test each species to see who is rightful to possess the MoR. I guess it wasn’t humanities time and that they are to be tested perhaps in the near future of the current Halo timeline? I still think it would’ve been more sensible to have combined forces though instead of fighting each other. To me that’s the superior tactical option.
There were two other Forerunner technologies that were proposed and used to an extent: the Shield Worlds and the Composers.
The Shield Worlds were a proposition from the Didact as an alternative to the Halo Array. The point was for the fortress worlds to be a bastion of refuge for survivors of populations trying to escape the Flood, and to be a military base of operations to carry out campaigns against the Flood. They were also used to safeguard those inside from the blast of the Halo Array.
The Composers were a tool used by the Forerunners to extract a being’s essence. They’re meant to provide seamless transition between biological and digital states. It was later used to try and counteract the Flood by extracting the victims essence but it failed.
Each technology could not stop the Flood entirely, so the only choice in the eyes of the Forerunners was to starve the Flood by the complete eradication of all life in the galaxy.
(All info from Halopedia.com)
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> There were two other Forerunner technologies that were proposed and used to an extent: the Shield Worlds and the Composers.
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> The Shield Worlds were a proposition from the Didact as an alternative to the Halo Array. The point was for the fortress worlds to be a bastion of refuge for survivors of populations trying to escape the Flood, and to be a military base of operations to carry out campaigns against the Flood. They were also used to safeguard those inside from the blast of the Halo Array.
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> The Composers were a tool used by the Forerunners to extract a being’s essence. They’re meant to provide seamless transition between biological and digital states. It was later used to try and counteract the Flood by extracting the victims essence but it failed.
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> Each technology could not stop the Flood entirely, so the only choice in the eyes of the Forerunners was to starve the Flood by the complete eradication of all life in the galaxy.
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> (All info from Halopedia.com)
I wasn’t talking about the Forerunner-Flood War, I was suggesting if Humans had teamed up with Forerunners to defeat the Flood and the whole discussion about how it may/may not of been possible. You may want to read what I wrote instead of just the tile of the thread.
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> There were two other Forerunner technologies that were proposed and used to an extent: the Shield Worlds and the Composers.
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> The Shield Worlds were a proposition from the Didact as an alternative to the Halo Array. The point was for the fortress worlds to be a bastion of refuge for survivors of populations trying to escape the Flood, and to be a military base of operations to carry out campaigns against the Flood. They were also used to safeguard those inside from the blast of the Halo Array.
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> The Composers were a tool used by the Forerunners to extract a being’s essence. They’re meant to provide seamless transition between biological and digital states. It was later used to try and counteract the Flood by extracting the victims essence but it failed.
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> Each technology could not stop the Flood entirely, so the only choice in the eyes of the Forerunners was to starve the Flood by the complete eradication of all life in the galaxy.
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> (All info from Halopedia.com)
OK, this got my attention.
Is this suggesting that AFTER a flood spore controlled a host, the Forerunners attempted to separate the Victim from the flood-controlled physical body? If so, three things I could see as an interesting plot device.
- Doesn’t work, kills host, flood killed in process? (That last part is a maybe, as the flood probably doesn’t require a BRAIN to survive, the flood COULD detach itself or multiply from there.)
- If the Composer worked, separating the Victim from the Flood AND there was a seamless transition back to the physical from the digital, this fixes all problems.
- If the Composer worked, however, it did not separate the Flood controlled Victim from the flood itself, thereby, Composer making a Flood-riddled brain into a Digital being. Does that mean we could have Flood in digital space? Overpowering AI’s and such by actually traveling THROUGH digital space, rather than through intense questioning and infection?
Just some thoughts.