Warzone without vehicles?

Games Halo 5: Guardians
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Id like to see a variant of warzone without vehicles, just because of how unbalanced they are. Especially the air vehicles.

The wasp is too low, even with the update. You may say “You have plasma pistols and spartan lasers at that level”, but those can’t do anything because by the time it’s charged you’re already dead.

The banshee is really hard to deal with. It’s armoured even to survive quite a lot of kinetic bolts, and it’s dodges have no cool down. It’s fuel rod reloads too fast, and it’s too forgiving with its hijacks. Because the pilot isn’t killed when hijacked, they could just hijack you back. And the hijack us near impossible without the be chile’s being stuck allow that scenario.

The phaeton is not much of a problem due to being a level 6-8 req. At that point it’s easier to deal with.

The Scorpian is quite balanced, but extremely bothersome when combined with other vehicles. Another problem with it is that the pilot could just jump out the scorpion to avoid being hijacked. It’s also too vulnerable due to having no defense against players in close proximity to it.

The wraith is much harder to hijack due to its boost. It can only be hijacked from the front, which allows the wraith to just boost and get the splatter. It, like the scorpion, is only bothersome in conjuction with other vehicles.

The mantis is quite balanced too. It has defense from hijacks, with its stomp and the fact that it can aim downwards. The hijack area is quite easy to get, when the vechile is occupied with other players.

The rest of the vehicles are actually quite well balanced. The ghost is strong for its level, but extremely weak to hijacking and EMPs. It can also be taken out fairly easily with kinetic bolts. The gungosse is powerful with its grenades, but the driver has no protection. The warthog requires teamwork, and the player in the turret is an easy target.

Overall, the air vehicles and tanks could either be nerfed, or just have a playlist without vehicles overall. (By, the way, I don’t mean warzone should have no vehicles, but a play list should be made for those who want to play without them).

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> Id like to see a variant of warzone without vehicles, just because of how unbalanced they are. Especially the air vehicles.
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> The wasp is too low, even with the update. You may say “You have plasma pistols and spartan lasers at that level”, but those can’t do anything because by the time it’s charged you’re already dead.
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> The banshee is really hard to deal with. It’s armoured even to survive quite a lot of kinetic bolts, and it’s dodges have no cool down. It’s fuel rod reloads too fast, and it’s too forgiving with its hijacks. Because the pilot isn’t killed when hijacked, they could just hijack you back. And the hijack us near impossible without the be chile’s being stuck allow that scenario.
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> The phaeton is not much of a problem due to being a level 6-8 req. At that point it’s easier to deal with.
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> The Scorpian is quite balanced, but extremely bothersome when combined with other vehicles. Another problem with it is that the pilot could just jump out the scorpion to avoid being hijacked. It’s also too vulnerable due to having no defense against players in close proximity to it.
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> The wraith is much harder to hijack due to its boost. It can only be hijacked from the front, which allows the wraith to just boost and get the splatter. It, like the scorpion, is only bothersome in conjuction with other vehicles.
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> The mantis is quite balanced too. It has defense from hijacks, with its stomp and the fact that it can aim downwards. The hijack area is quite easy to get, when the vechile is occupied with other players.
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> The rest of the vehicles are actually quite well balanced. The ghost is strong for its level, but extremely weak to hijacking and EMPs. It can also be taken out fairly easily with kinetic bolts. The gungosse is powerful with its grenades, but the driver has no protection. The warthog requires teamwork, and the player in the turret is an easy target.
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> Overall, the air vehicles and tanks could either be nerfed, or just have a playlist without vehicles overall. (By, the way, I don’t mean warzone should have no vehicles, but a play list should be made for those who want to play without them).

I feel this would really kill the mood of Warzone, but I do agree the Banshee can be quite OP in the right hands.

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> > Id like to see a variant of warzone without vehicles, just because of how unbalanced they are. Especially the air vehicles.
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> > The wasp is too low, even with the update. You may say “You have plasma pistols and spartan lasers at that level”, but those can’t do anything because by the time it’s charged you’re already dead.
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> > The banshee is really hard to deal with. It’s armoured even to survive quite a lot of kinetic bolts, and it’s dodges have no cool down. It’s fuel rod reloads too fast, and it’s too forgiving with its hijacks. Because the pilot isn’t killed when hijacked, they could just hijack you back. And the hijack us near impossible without the be chile’s being stuck allow that scenario.
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> > The phaeton is not much of a problem due to being a level 6-8 req. At that point it’s easier to deal with.
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> > The Scorpian is quite balanced, but extremely bothersome when combined with other vehicles. Another problem with it is that the pilot could just jump out the scorpion to avoid being hijacked. It’s also too vulnerable due to having no defense against players in close proximity to it.
> >
> > The wraith is much harder to hijack due to its boost. It can only be hijacked from the front, which allows the wraith to just boost and get the splatter. It, like the scorpion, is only bothersome in conjuction with other vehicles.
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> > The mantis is quite balanced too. It has defense from hijacks, with its stomp and the fact that it can aim downwards. The hijack area is quite easy to get, when the vechile is occupied with other players.
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> > The rest of the vehicles are actually quite well balanced. The ghost is strong for its level, but extremely weak to hijacking and EMPs. It can also be taken out fairly easily with kinetic bolts. The gungosse is powerful with its grenades, but the driver has no protection. The warthog requires teamwork, and the player in the turret is an easy target.
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> > Overall, the air vehicles and tanks could either be nerfed, or just have a playlist without vehicles overall. (By, the way, I don’t mean warzone should have no vehicles, but a play list should be made for those who want to play without them).
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> I feel this would really kill the mood of Warzone, but I do agree the Banshee can be quite OP in the right hands.

Yeah, it would defeat the purpose of warzone.

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This would just lead to 12v12 snipers. No thank you.

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> This would just lead to 12v12 snipers. No thank you.

Very true.

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> This would just lead to 12v12 snipers. No thank you.

Although it would be a very interesting playlist.

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> This would just lead to 12v12 snipers. No thank you.

I’d take that over vechile spam.

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> > This would just lead to 12v12 snipers. No thank you.
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> I’d take that over vechile spam.

Then don’t play a playlist designed for vehicle combat. Warzone is the entire Halo 5 sandbox. That’s part of it’s selling point next to 12v12 and AI, you can use anything you want in there. Don’t like that? Too bad, you have Arena.

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> > This would just lead to 12v12 snipers. No thank you.
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> Although it would be a very interesting playlist.

You mean shotty snipers?

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> > > This would just lead to 12v12 snipers. No thank you.
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> > Although it would be a very interesting playlist.
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> You mean shotty snipers?

No, 12v12 snipers.

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Yeah removing vehicles from WZ is a bad idea in my opinion. The game type was built around the chaos those vehicles bring.
Also I think the ramifications of vehicle removal are huge for example you now have to rethink all of your timers because everyone is on foot and the speed at which you can traverse the map has been slowed down. Furthermore you would have to rework a lot of the AI bosses, which without vehicles a vast majority of them wouldn’t be worth the time and req points that would now be required to destroy them.

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> > > This would just lead to 12v12 snipers. No thank you.
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> > I’d take that over vechile spam.
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> Then don’t play a playlist designed for vehicle combat. Warzone is the entire Halo 5 sandbox. That’s part of it’s selling point next to 12v12 and AI, you can use anything you want in there. Don’t like that? Too bad, you have Arena.

I just played a warzone game where funnily enough the other team didn’t use vechiles. It was refreshing and tense.

Arena isn’t like warzone. Arena has no AI, no Base captures and no reqs.

Warzone nearly always becomes a game of who can get the banshee or phaeton first. And because they took all your bases, your stuck in the home base. You just get spawn camped. Because they used the vechiles and are camping, you’re only at level 3 reqs. They have 6-7. It’s impossible to win.

But, in my game without vechiles, we each took over bases, fought over bosses, and ultimately won. This showed me what warzone could be. An actually fun gamemode.

I’m not even saying warzone as it is should be removed, but a form of warzone without vechiles, would be appreciated

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> > > > This would just lead to 12v12 snipers. No thank you.
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> > > I’d take that over vechile spam.
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> > Then don’t play a playlist designed for vehicle combat. Warzone is the entire Halo 5 sandbox. That’s part of it’s selling point next to 12v12 and AI, you can use anything you want in there. Don’t like that? Too bad, you have Arena.
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> Warzone nearly always becomes a game of who can get the banshee or phaeton first. And because they took all your bases, your stuck in the home base. You just get spawn camped. Because they used the vehicles and are camping, you’re only at level 3 reqs. They have 6-7. It’s impossible to win.

Then you’re not using strategy if you’re getting trapped in the home base. Farmers and quick cores are one thing but those are incredibly rare now that the fireteam limit is six people. I’ve taken entire points by myself using nothing but a scout hog or active camo after loosing all the bases, it’s not a hard thing to do even with level three REQs.

It’s not about who gets the Banshee or Phaeton first, it’s about who gets more boss kills and can control the map long enough to destroy the enemy core. A simple plasma pistol can shut down four vehicles if you really wanted it to.

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> > > > > This would just lead to 12v12 snipers. No thank you.
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> > > > I’d take that over vechile spam.
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> > > Then don’t play a playlist designed for vehicle combat. Warzone is the entire Halo 5 sandbox. That’s part of it’s selling point next to 12v12 and AI, you can use anything you want in there. Don’t like that? Too bad, you have Arena.
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> > Warzone nearly always becomes a game of who can get the banshee or phaeton first. And because they took all your bases, your stuck in the home base. You just get spawn camped. Because they used the vehicles and are camping, you’re only at level 3 reqs. They have 6-7. It’s impossible to win.
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> Then you’re not using strategy if you’re getting trapped in the home base. Farmers and quick cores are one thing but those are incredibly rare now that the fireteam limit is six people. I’ve taken entire points by myself using nothing but a scout hog or active camo after loosing all the bases, it’s not a hard thing to do even with level three REQs.
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> It’s not about who gets the Banshee or Phaeton first, it’s about who gets more boss kills and can control the map long enough to destroy the enemy core. A simple plasma pistol can shut down four vehicles if you really wanted it to.

A teammate used the plasma pistol on some of the vechiles. The phaeton teleported out of the emp state. The banshee was successfully destroyed, but several others were spawned after that. Due to the Base near home, they sniped us. We couldn’t escape. I tried active camo, somehow the phaeton spotted me. I shot down one of the snipers, then the other. A teammate hijacked the scorpion, and someone else blew up the wraith. Yet, we were still trapped. Why? Flying vechiles.

I then use active camo to get to the Base. They must’ve had advanced sensors, because I was immediately killed. And I was crouching in the corner.

I’ve taken bases with just a battle rifle, but that doesn’t change anything. We used strategy. We split the team, some for the fortress, others for the garage. They just spawned in some vechiles and surprise. They won.

It’s not fun for either side. Staring at the respawn screen for an entire match isn’t fun. Nor is clicking the right trigger.