Ur-Didact should Have Lived! (Story Revision)

Am I the only one that believes that the Ur-Didact should have survived? He should have never been nuked. I agree that he should have been composed, but not in Halo: Escalation. He should have been composed at the very end of Halo 4 instead. Possibly pulled into the slipspace as well as (Unknowingly to John-117) the remnants of Cortana’s programming. Maybe he gets accidentally gets released from the Composer (Or turned into the Warden Eternal) via 031 Exuberant Witnesses curiosity on Genesis, discovers Cortana’s remaining programming & uses it to lure John just the Gravemind lured him into leading him to the Ark in Halo 3 by sending telepathic images of her to his mind. In doing so, causes John (As well as Blue Team.) into unintentionally activating the Guardians, killings thousands of people, & being literally hunted down by Fireteam Osiris. Somewhere in this re-written Halo 5: Guardians, you could have a full out duel between Thel 'Vadam & Jul 'Mdama (Instead of Jul dying like a wimp…) & maybe John does successfully recover Cortana’s essentially destroyed programming. Maybe this programming could be restored by Halsey or made into a completely new AI very similar to Cortana?

Thoughts?

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> Am I the only one that believes that the Ur-Didact should have survived?

He did. Composition is not death.

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That was already addressed this in the topic. I just wish the Didact had remained the primary villain for H5G. Not just Halo 4.

And technically Composition is a form of death. However, just before you die your entire composition & essence is copied & digitized. Think of it as suds-imortallity via becoming a Smart AI in either a digital or physical form.

I think that the didact had the warden eternal bodies waiting for him if he ever got composed. It said somewhere that when a knight dies, its soul or something just gets put in another body so that could’ve happened to the didact. The warden does exactly what the didact does and uses the force at the beginning of the level the breaking. What other Promethean can use the force?! Also, the warden has 6 fingers, just like the didact. If this is all a coincidence, I hope 343 will consider changing the story in halo 6. It would somewhat clear a lot of the wardens background and hate for him.

I hate what happened to him. I was so upset and disappointed when he wasn’t in Halo 5. I mean he BARELY even got mentioned. For such a complex and intelligent character the way he went out was lame. I’m hoping this isn’t the last we’ve seen of him. He left WAY too soon and could’ve really changed the story for the better.

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> I think that the didact had the warden eternal bodies waiting for him if he ever got composed. It said somewhere that when a knight dies, its soul or something just gets put in another body so that could’ve happened to the didact. The warden does exactly what the didact does and uses the force at the beginning of the level the breaking. What other Promethean can use the force?! Also, the warden has 6 fingers, just like the didact. If this is all a coincidence, I hope 343 will consider changing the story in halo 6. It would somewhat clear a lot of the wardens background and hate for him.

The Didact being the Warden just really doesn’t make sense. The Warden has a completely different mindset and didn’t really seem to hate humanity much if at all. Odds are the “Force” he was using wasn’t exclusive to just the Didact. This 6 finger thing is probably just a Forerunner trait and doesn’t really make much of a case. I think they’re separate entities. But who knows really. I could be totally wrong, I just haven’t seen any evidence that really links them together.

I definitley felt that the Didact not being in Halo 5 was a bit of a let down.

Halo 4 was the begining of a new saga, but they took a massive left turn with Halo 5.

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> I definitley felt that the Didact not being in Halo 5 was a bit of a let down.
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Ikr! It drove me crazy. Honestly I hate the Escalation comics because they got rid of both the Ur-Didact & the Janus Key plot. Oh come on, 343! Why?!

It is unfortunate, I agree, but I take solace in knowing the Ur-Didact and Cortana have a common source corrupting their logic, and that source is a far more intriguing opponent than either Cortana or Ur-Didact.

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> It is unfortunate, I agree, but I take solace in knowing the Ur-Didact and Cortana have a common source corrupting their logic, and that source is a far more intriguing opponent than either Cortana or Ur-Didact.

The Primordial?

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More or less, yeah. Precursors/Primordial/Flood/Gravemind/Keymind, whichever way you like to think of it.

The Precursors that became the Flood absorbed a willing Primordial. All Graveminds/Keyminds/Flood share the same hivemind that originated with the first Precursor-Flood. So, more or less, they’re all one entity - one mind. The Flood is such a wonderful term because it’s a singular noun expressing what is often thought of as a plurality. A flood is a singular entity composed of many smaller parts which overwhelm something. It’s a surprisingly apt name when you account for the knowledge consistency of the Graveminds.

The Primordial-Gravemind corrupted Ur-Didact when he was left behind in a Burn Zone.
The 2553-Gravemind corrupted Cortana when she was left behind in High Charity.

Halo: Primordium, Halo: Silentium, Halo: Evolutions (specifically: Human Weakness), Halo 3, and Halo 4 are all excellent source material for understanding how exactly the Flood could be theoretically pulling the strings behind all of the events of the Ur-Didact and “new Cortana” of Halos 4 and 5. Human Weakness in particular is an incredibly under-appreciated work for its importance in setting up the events of H3/4/5, as well as the insight it gives us into the corruption of entities that leads them to indirectly serving the cause of the Flood.

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> That was already addressed this in the topic. I just wish the Didact had remained the primary villain for H5G. Not just Halo 4.

You said he should have lived. He did. Just because he wasn’t in the game, it doesn’t mean he’s not still out there. The Gravemind doesn’t appear in Halo 4 or 5 either, but his influence can still be felt throughout them. The Flood’s lack of appearance doesn’t mean they’re not going to return someday and the same can be said about the Ur-Didact.

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> And technically Composition is a form of death.

No it’s not. The Composer takes your essence from your biological form and converts it for storage in a digital realm. It basically takes the soul from your body and moves it someplace else.

The Didact wasn’t corrupted in anyway. He just hates the humans because of the Forerunner-Human war and thinks they are only worthy of being composed to serve as a punishment. If he was working for the flood, don’t you think he would have gone to a Halo to unleash them as a fitting punishment on the humans instead of trying to compose all of the humans into inorganic lifeforms? He doesn’t think the humans deserve the Mantle. Also It is impossible for Warden Eternal to be the Didact as he seems to be an AI that has been around for a long time with completely different motivation, defending the Domain. I assume Cortana entered the domain after the event at Earth, which at that time the Didact was still alive, meaning Warden Eternal probably met Cortana before Didact was actually composed.

Personally I’m fine with the Didact being gone for good since this new direction Halo 6 seems to be going in is a whole lot more interesting.

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> The Didact wasn’t corrupted in anyway. He just hates the humans because of the Forerunner-Human war and thinks they are only worthy of being composed to serve as a punishment. If he was working for the flood, don’t you think he would have gone to a Halo to unleash them as a fitting punishment on the humans instead of trying to compose all of the humans into inorganic lifeforms? He doesn’t think the humans deserve the Mantle. Also It is impossible for Warden Eternal to be the Didact as he seems to be an AI that has been around for a long time with completely different motivation, defending the Domain. I assume Cortana entered the domain after the event at Earth, which at that time the Didact was still alive, meaning Warden Eternal probably met Cortana before Didact was actually composed.
> Personally I’m fine with the Didact being gone for good since this new direction Halo 6 seems to be going in is a whole lot more interesting.

I can agree & disagree on this. When I finished Halo back in '12, I just knew he would return in Halo 5. Instead Cortana came back but with a dark twist. During the Precursor-Forerunner war, the Forerunners stole the Mantle from the Precursors who were going to give it to the Humans. By just this one action, eventually the Flood came. Cortana is making exactly the same mistake…That makes the plot okay.

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> The Didact wasn’t corrupted in anyway.

Yes, actually he was. Silentium made this very clear.

Halo Silentium
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CATALOG: You removed him from the presence of the Gravemind?
MENDICANT BIAS: Not me. The Gravemind.
CATALOG: Why was the Didact released?
MENDICANT BIAS: I cannot know for certain, but the Gravemind never acts without intent. There’s apparently a larger game to be played, a sharply twisted game of revenge, for which my co-creator has been preserved.

Halo Silentium
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“Humans drowned out entire civilizations with the Flood,’ he says. ‘They brought this horrific parasite to our people. Had we acted quicker, had we taken what was rightfully ours, we could have cut off the infection at its source. Know this: the universe will now be turned star by star, world by world, organism by living thing, into even more of a tortured mockery than it already is. Look what it’s done to me!’ He spreads wide his powerful arms, bowing his head, as if opening to her gentle fingers, her probing, deep-feeling examination.
Instinctively, she reaches toward him - but holds back at the last instant. He notes her reticence; it may be the final breaking strain on thousands of years of love.
‘Everything it touches is afflicted with madness,’ he cries out. 'It has touched me. I am myself mad!”

Halo Silentium
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“I felt their touch, their love. And yet, they were fading. The Domain is filled with sadness. A deep shadow has fallen over everything Forerunner. When I was pulled up from all that, pulled out of the Cryptum and revived… I couldn’t remember. But now I do - in part. Horror brought it back. The Gravemind returned it to me. It forced me to listen.’
My husband swiftly removes his hand from mine and stands to summon his armor, stretching to allow it to surround him. 'I need to fight against what it told me, what it has done to me, to all of us. I need to fight with all of my might and will, and everything I can gather… every weapon and resource. But I have been undercut from the very beginning by that Manipular, Wife. The worst thing I’ve ever done was imprint him. And so, forgive me in advance for what I mist do. And know why I do it.”

Halo Silentium
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“I can’t bear the thought of the loss of all my specimens, of the greatest concentration of our lifelong efforts, of all our work!
‘How can we repopulate the galaxy if we lose everything here?’ I cry.
The Didact’s look is strangely sly. Devious, as if he has a delicious joke he wishes to tell, but not yet. An expression I’ve never seen before. Horror compounds upon horror.
‘After I finish my task, I will depart in Mantle’s Approach,’ he says.
My mind races. I can expect no assistance from the Didact, that much is obvious.”

Halo Silentium
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"He was interrogated by a Gravemind,’ I say.
‘I know that much.’
‘If you were Gravemind, such an amalgam of ancient memory, Forerunner memory and experience - how would you forge a weapon to strike at the center of Forerunner defenses?’
She narrows her eyes severely. I have struck a strong chord- and a sour one. Her nostrils compress, as if she does not want to breathe the same air as me. But she folds her arms and continues to listen.
‘An honorable and courageous leader is delivered unexpectedly into your control,’ I say, ‘a leader whose return might bring hope and renewed strength to the Forerunner exumene.’
‘And?’
‘And yet his return has brought nothing but sorrow and horrific destruction, not only to his own rate, but now to the humans as well. He’s become a foolish pawn in a dark game of revenge that began long ago.’
‘The Primordial,’ Endurance says.
‘The Primordial. An experience so traumatic he kept the facts hidden from me for ten thousand years. Such a creature, with such a dark brilliance, would play upon his oldest fears, twist emotions made fragile during a lifetime of war and hardship and politics. Twist, intensify - and distort them.’
‘Prometheans have for hundreds of thousands of years been proofed against that sort of pressure,’ Endurance says. ‘Torture has never broken one of our rank.’
‘They have no training against this adversary. No armor or protection against the heirs of those who created us. The Didact has been subjected to the examination of something so very close to a god… one related to those we assumed had passed the Mantle to us, but most definitely have not.’

these ideas could be cool!

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Right?!? They could have saved these plots for Spartan Ops season 2!

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Maybe. But honestly I’d rather another season about Jul 'Mdama.

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> The Didact wasn’t corrupted in anyway. He just hates the humans because of the Forerunner-Human war and thinks they are only worthy of being composed to serve as a punishment. If he was working for the flood, don’t you think he would have gone to a Halo to unleash them as a fitting punishment on the humans instead of trying to compose all of the humans into inorganic lifeforms? He doesn’t think the humans deserve the Mantle. Also It is impossible for Warden Eternal to be the Didact as he seems to be an AI that has been around for a long time with completely different motivation, defending the Domain. I assume Cortana entered the domain after the event at Earth, which at that time the Didact was still alive, meaning Warden Eternal probably met Cortana before Didact was actually composed.
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You might want to reread the Forerunner Trilogy. As Nihilus has provided quotes for above, the Ur-Didact very much was corrupted by the Gravemind. Never you mind that Cortana and Ur-Didact behave eerily similar after their Gravemind encounters. He didn’t blatantly act as an agent of the Flood - in fact, his servitude to them is all but unwitting. Precursors aren’t so two-dimensional as to just have somebody of the Ur-Didact’s repute go around releasing Flood from containment.

Nobody (at least I didn’t) claim that Warden is Ur-Didact.

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I said that at the beginning of the topic, but I never stated that he WAS the Warden. I merely stated that I wished he had returned in the form of the Warden like humans being composed & then turned into Knights.