I admit warzone matchmaking has been a more pleasant experience with the 6man fireteam limit.
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> You need to be able to have 12 man fireteams in warzone. It makes it clan friendly.
only if you’re scrimming other 12 man team…
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> > We just want to play together… is it so hard? -.-’
> > C’mon, 343
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> This is what I understand so far.
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> Teams dogpile objectives. Thus ruining the experiences of others.
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> Teams are are just a sliver of the overall warzone population.
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> 12 man warzone is just a test. Relax. (Over 2 month test)
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> 12 man warzone assault is just a test. Relax.(7 month test)
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> 343 knows this solution isn’t ideal, and are expecting backlash. ( love the work they put into keeping teams happy, their PR dept is the stuff of legend).
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> We were encouraged to play together with teams. From emblems numbered up to 12. To the addition of Spartan companies, we were supposed to get into teams and play the largest gamemode to date in the halo franchise.
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> Once those teams affected req use, they were abolished. Farming did not affect any decision to fireteam size. Req use did.
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> So in conclusion, teams were planned and encouraged by 343 in warzone. But they didn’t like the effect quick coring had on overall req use. So they abolished teams after encouraging them during the entire pre launch to halo 5. Teams are just a sliver of the overall population but ruin the experience of the rest. ( how does that even make sense?). Test was never a test. It was a way to keep the team players interested in warzone. Most of us have left now. So the interest is gone, the cats out of the bag.
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> My suggestion, play btb or move on to another game. Warzone is done. And the creators of this fantastic gamemode are the ones who ruined it. Shame.
i think there were unforeseeable issues that ultimately made the game mode into something it was not intended to be… Instead of being the biggest game mode ever in the franchise with this anticipated competition* it has made a shift to where teams are exploiting and manipulating the game mode to the point of taking away the enjoyment and ruining the experience of many…
*With that said halo multiplayer is a competition, you go into the matches with the intent of winning and the competitive skill aspect is that the better players/ better teams should be winning a majority of their matches, especially against inferior opponents and especially in the competitive arena modes.
*The competitive aspect has to a great deal diminished in warzone and turned into the above mentioned exploits and manipulations… 12 people all on the same server all communicating with each other trying to blast through matches in 3 minutes to drive up their xp or worse, intentionally Not quickly ending the game once they have a team pinned down after 3 minutes and farming the crap out of them for kill commendations is not competitive guys, come on, its weasley
*I will say though that i do think it is a minority of players and teams who do this, but it is enough to ruin enough matches to make a pathological aspect to the game.
*i do however want to end by saying that there is a distinct difference between being farmed/exploited and just getting or giving a good old fashioned butt whooping, and through my time in this game have heard many many cry about getting farmed or screwed over when the reality is they got their tail whooped also been on teams who have dished out and exploited as well so…We’ll see ya…
oh yeah and…Conference Basketball tournaments are this upcoming week and selection is a week from tomorrow. GO KENTUCKY #BBN #hatersgonnahate #L’s down
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> > You need to be able to have 12 man fireteams in warzone. It makes it clan friendly.
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> only if you’re scrimming other 12 man team…
Exactly my point.
bring them back or make them 8 people at least. It doesn’t seem fun anymore. I have a clan on the game and we used to have so much fun fighting together. Now we can’t do that anymore
Since my thread was locked, I’ll post here as requested. “12/06/2016 was the date 343 announced fireteam limit restrictions in Warzone. We’ve had 1 weekend of warlords since. Now the entire issue is being ignored. No update or response on the “update” thread, the big discussion thread was locked, 3 months and no news of any plans. If 343 has made the final decision that warzone’s design just doesn’t work for 12 man fireteams, they should just say it. If they have plans to allow bigger teams, they should say it. Just stalling, stalling, making vague promises, stalling, then stalling some more is reminiscent of the broken MCC days. Whatever their intentions, they should have enough respect for the community to state them. We’ve heard nothing for weeks. Ignoring a fan base doesn’t drive future sales.”
Soooo can we get back warlords as a permanent playlist? Kinda wanna play with the whole crew and not have randoms in my team going 2-28,4-18,9-25 and so on
kthx 343
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> Soooo can we get back warlords as a permanent playlist? Kinda wanna play with the whole crew and not have randoms in my team going 2-28,4-18,9-25 and so on
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> kthx 343
12 man warzone and warlords are kind of just being ignored by 343 right now, Hopefully they pull something out for the warzone community and tell what there currently or if there doing anything with warzone 12 man
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> Since my thread was locked, I’ll post here as requested. “12/06/2016 was the date 343 announced fireteam limit restrictions in Warzone. We’ve had 1 weekend of warlords since. Now the entire issue is being ignored. No update or response on the “update” thread, the big discussion thread was locked, 3 months and no news of any plans. If 343 has made the final decision that warzone’s design just doesn’t work for 12 man fireteams, they should just say it. If they have plans to allow bigger teams, they should say it. Just stalling, stalling, making vague promises, stalling, then stalling some more is reminiscent of the broken MCC days. Whatever their intentions, they should have enough respect for the community to state them. We’ve heard nothing for weeks. Ignoring a fan base doesn’t drive future sales.”
Truth ^^
I mean 343 takes 12 man fireteams away and says they’re looking into a solution…and all we got was 1 weekend of strictly 12v12 fireteams and no other update or info after that or what the future might hold.
Not to mention that the fireteam limit was labeled “just a test” lol…just like they said about warzone assault.
We saw right through 343’s intentions with the fireteam limit after what they said/did with the warzone assault playlist.
We have a right to be frustrated with the way 343 has handled/mishandled the whole warzone experience.
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> > Since my thread was locked, I’ll post here as requested. “12/06/2016 was the date 343 announced fireteam limit restrictions in Warzone. We’ve had 1 weekend of warlords since. Now the entire issue is being ignored. No update or response on the “update” thread, the big discussion thread was locked, 3 months and no news of any plans. If 343 has made the final decision that warzone’s design just doesn’t work for 12 man fireteams, they should just say it. If they have plans to allow bigger teams, they should say it. Just stalling, stalling, making vague promises, stalling, then stalling some more is reminiscent of the broken MCC days. Whatever their intentions, they should have enough respect for the community to state them. We’ve heard nothing for weeks. Ignoring a fan base doesn’t drive future sales.”
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> Truth ^^
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> I mean 343 takes 12 man fireteams away and says they’re looking into a solution…and all we got was 1 weekend of strictly 12v12 fireteams and no other update or info after that or what the future might hold.
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> Not to mention that the fireteam limit was labeled “just a test” lol…just like they said about warzone assault.
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> We saw right through 343’s intentions with the fireteam limit after what they said/did with the warzone assault playlist.
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> We have a right to be frustrated with the way 343 has handled/mishandled the whole warzone experience.
343 knew they had a problem when they limited warzone to 6 man…it was a huge upset by many dedicated members of the Halo community…at one point we even had the majority of solo que players siding with us over our choice of play…
At that same time halo wars 2 was in beta, 343 was getting a lot of flack feom the community. You couldn’t go anywhere and not hear about 343 giving the boot to their most experienced players (some not only in halo 5 but 15 year dedicated fans of the franchise)
Micro transactions increase profits and we were at a level that we didn’t require spending personal money to play…
My theory on warlords and it got our 6 man limit locked for saying it, is this…
Warlords served 2 purposes, to shut the community up so 343 could focus on finishing the halo wars beta and the present issue…my guess was so prospective customers wouldn’t be discouraged by this betrayal as halo wars 2 is also another micro transaction based game…like halo 5…and who wants to buy a game that they invest money in and when you reach a certain level you’ll no longer be dependent on making transactions anymore…just to be thrown out on your butt? Nobody!
And lastly to measure our population size to size up the problem…
This was known to me when they implemented warlords and didn’t take any suggestions that were made by the players…it was important to measure just the teams…this is why a ton of people were upset because they put strict party limits to 12 v 12 alone…rather than opening the playlist up to everyone…again controlling what players do and making decisions for them, but also at the same time limiting growth of team/clan play…that is a fact
NO playlist in halo to date be it if teams exist or not have any sort of limits for party sizes…none except warzone and warlords did…it was never specified to any of us that team work was frowned upon by the status quo at 343…
It was a lie even when 343 realized their mistake and to mention that they had plans for making warlords…they didn’t and that was a lie…truth!
Once they figured that the problem wasn’t big enough to worry about 343 shut the door…
And being one of the core group of people in direct contact with 343 and ske7ch, I’m telling all of you the truth…
I love Halo and playing with my friends…but I invested large amounts of money and time and we were thrown out like trash…that is the truth…and 343 has to live with it…
15 year fan of halo, since the OG Lan days before halo was a multiplayer game…this whole situation is wrong for a company to sell a product and then tell people the terms in which they can use it…we argued that if their was an upset in the community to just give us our own playlist…that has been going on for months without real answers and that’s on 343…not the upset players, and locking a thread for saying so was wrong because this is the place to make Halo better! Right?!..
I’m currently not playing halo until this is fixed…
#MAKEWARZONEGREATAGAIN
lift the limit
Here’s a thought how about solo players stop playing a gametype meant for big teams or maybe just maybe use the free mic that comes with the system communicate with your team and make friends and join a squad then you won’t be farmed or quick cored as much ijs solo players are whats?killing warzone
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> Here’s a thought how about solo players stop playing a gametype meant for big teams or maybe just maybe use the free mic that comes with the system communicate with your team and make friends and join a squad then you won’t be farmed or quick cored as much ijs solo players are whats?killing warzone
Feels the need to point out that the xbox one s doesnt actually come with a free mic.
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> > Here’s a thought how about solo players stop playing a gametype meant for big teams or maybe just maybe use the free mic that comes with the system communicate with your team and make friends and join a squad then you won’t be farmed or quick cored as much ijs solo players are whats?killing warzone
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> Feels the need to point out that the xbox one s doesnt actually come with a free mic.
Feels it’s important to point out, that this whole situation is bad customer service on 343s part…
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> > Here’s a thought how about solo players stop playing a gametype meant for big teams or maybe just maybe use the free mic that comes with the system communicate with your team and make friends and join a squad then you won’t be farmed or quick cored as much ijs solo players are whats?killing warzone
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> Feels the need to point out that the xbox one s doesnt actually come with a free mic.
How about the fact any cheap 10 cellphone headset will work so there’s no excuse
@ ske7ch…maybe you tried, maybe you didnt…
Hard to tell when you say warlords will be revisited in a month and your implications were (march) and then you drop off the planet
Here
Here
Ive personally watched my friends migrate to different titles (not good for halo) others take an oath to never buy another halo (not good for halo)
For what?
Playing as a team? Some so good, stacked teams of pros couldnt beat…
Why?
Because we were thrown into a matchmaking system that couldnt rationalize a party of 12 from individual players?
Farming?
Wza, wz…seriously? There wasnt enough room to make a playlist for this? Throwing all the teams out or busting them apart by throwing them into BTB?
This whole situation is absolutly upsurd…
Im not taking libertys here, ive been here since the beginning…what gives 343 the right to take away something from a customer that has bought and paid for a product and invested money and time playing and networking themselves because of how a group of friends likes to play a game…
As far as farming being the root of the issue, teams werent the cause of the problem…when 343 started rallying the solos players with the athena vs demeter update in monitors bounty…the consensus was to use the community to weed us out for you…why?
Micro transactions, the absolute devil of this game…the pay to play/ pay to win attitude only enhances 343s position… on the flip side of that coin…it breeds at its core the encouragement to pay for an unfair advantage more than to serve as a way to level the playing field…
Req weapons are awesome, but the req system needs major work…games snowball its a problem…even when teams are evenly matched…
Also late in the game when a dedicated player aquires a surplus of reqs through unlocking everything…that means the the money stops rolling in for 343…no more gravey train and req money…im sorry if i see this whole thing as a purge to gain new players over the holidays…hope it was worth it…im sure some jerk at a board meeting that probably does not even play halo or own anything halo fished that crap idea up…why crap? Because retaining dedicated fans drive sales in the follow up games…343 picked the short term gains for the sake of money and not loyalty…crap!
Most people had it right, it seems you guys dont know halo or halo fans…you left your mark on the title by developing this brilliant game and for some is for the most part discouraging to play on multiple levels
The ranking system is im sorry a joke…im sick of grinding for rank and then it resetting, the smurf accounts ruin this completely making it nearly impossible to break out of gold or platinum until your nearly diamond or onyx level…ask anyone, youll have a similar answer…
I bought this game and literally spent thousands of dollars of my hard earned money buying the halo 5 console and the perfect setup to play it…this is a betrayal to you fans! Im not asking, im demanding that that count for something!..
I bought this game with specific intent to play halo 5 warzone with my 12 friends and because some groups took advantage of a flawed system that 343 created does not merit the extreme solutions that were imposed…some of us were good and you even acknowledged it yourself…
No playlist to date even with as crushing as full arena teams can be against solo players or as crushing as teams can be in social btb nobody at 343 has cared about limiting those playlist at all!
Why?
Because those teams dont mess around with the cash cow…warzone teams did…end of story…
343 didnt want blowouts, because blowsout discourage new players and mess with the bottom line…343 never ever cared about farming…
This was absolutly about money and was a tremendous mistake…
Most of us wouldnt even care if youd just give us our own warzone one that teams can play other teams and id perfer it to be a playlist that anyone can join 1-12…as nobody sees you guys fixing the matchmaking because thats too much to ask…i guess…
Thanks for ignoring us…
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> @ ske7ch…maybe you tried, maybe you didnt…
> Hard to tell when you say warlords will be revisited in a month and your implications were (march) and then you drop off the planet
> HereHereIve personally watched my friends migrate to different titles (not good for halo) others take an oath to never buy another halo (not good for halo)
>
> For what?
> Playing as a team? Some so good, stacked teams of pros couldnt beat…
> Why?
> Because we were thrown into a matchmaking system that couldnt rationalize a party of 12 from individual players?
> Farming?
> Wza, wz…seriously? There wasnt enough room to make a playlist for this? Throwing all the teams out or busting them apart by throwing them into BTB?
>
> This whole situation is absolutly upsurd…
>
> Im not taking libertys here, ive been here since the beginning…what gives 343 the right to take away something from a customer that has bought and paid for a product and invested money and time playing and networking themselves because of how a group of friends likes to play a game…
>
> As far as farming being the root of the issue, teams werent the cause of the problem…when 343 started rallying the solos players with the athena vs demeter update in monitors bounty…the consensus was to use the community to weed us out for you…why?
>
> Micro transactions, the absolute devil of this game…the pay to play/ pay to win attitude only enhances 343s position… on the flip side of that coin…it breeds at its core the encouragement to pay for an unfair advantage more than to serve as a way to level the playing field…
> Req weapons are awesome, but the req system needs major work…games snowball its a problem…even when teams are evenly matched…
> Also late in the game when a dedicated player aquires a surplus of reqs through unlocking everything…that means the the money stops rolling in for 343…no more gravey train and req money…im sorry if i see this whole thing as a purge to gain new players over the holidays…hope it was worth it…im sure some jerk at a board meeting that probably does not even play halo or own anything halo fished that crap idea up…why crap? Because retaining dedicated fans drive sales in the follow up games…343 picked the short term gains for the sake of money and not loyalty…crap!
>
> Most people had it right, it seems you guys dont know halo or halo fans…you left your mark on the title by developing this brilliant game and for some is for the most part discouraging to play on multiple levels
>
> The ranking system is im sorry a joke…im sick of grinding for rank and then it resetting, the smurf accounts ruin this completely making it nearly impossible to break out of gold or platinum until your nearly diamond or onyx level…ask anyone, youll have a similar answer…
>
> I bought this game and literally spent thousands of dollars of my hard earned money buying the halo 5 console and the perfect setup to play it…this is a betrayal to you fans! Im not asking, im demanding that that count for something!..
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> I bought this game with specific intent to play halo 5 warzone with my 12 friends and because some groups took advantage of a flawed system that 343 created does not merit the extreme solutions that were imposed…some of us were good and you even acknowledged it yourself…
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> No playlist to date even with as crushing as full arena teams can be against solo players or as crushing as teams can be in social btb nobody at 343 has cared about limiting those playlist at all!
> Why?
> Because those teams dont mess around with the cash cow…warzone teams did…end of story…
>
> 343 didnt want blowouts, because blowsout discourage new players and mess with the bottom line…343 never ever cared about farming…
> This was absolutly about money and was a tremendous mistake…
>
> Most of us wouldnt even care if youd just give us our own warzone one that teams can play other teams and id perfer it to be a playlist that anyone can join 1-12…as nobody sees you guys fixing the matchmaking because thats too much to ask…i guess…
>
> Thanks for ignoring us….
I agree with everything you said. Lots of passion and frustration in your post and I understand it because I feel it as well. I felt it back during MCC days also. I really hope 343 doesn’t just take this as people ranting. It’s that last line that really nails how I feel. Ignored. I swore after MCC I’d never touch a 343 title again. I fell for the Halo 5 marketing and I guess I shouldn’t be shocked that I am here on the forums, frustrated, and waiting for 343 to break the silence and right the wrong yet again. Halo 5 isn’t a bad game, it’s just being handled badly. That’s the main reason I didn’t give HW2 a chance. I kept my money due to frustration with 343. It’s annoying because this whole thing was so avoidable. Communication and honesty go a long way.
Yep. I’m a halo veteran since Halo CE was released. It’s pretty disappointing that some of us veterans areally being treated the way we are…especially with how much time and money we’ve put into the halo franchise.
Warzone warlords forever 
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> Yep. I’m a halo veteran since Halo CE was released. It’s pretty disappointing that some of us veterans areally being treated the way we are…especially with how much time and money we’ve put into the halo franchise.
I feel the same way, apparently there isn’t enough of us for 343 to care…
That’s what I’m getting from all this…
You can feed you bs to a bunch of immature teenagers that live at home with mommy and daddy and have no clue about how the real world works…but to your most dedicated and older fan base, your not going to lie as easily to us…or for that matter not be held accountable…make good on your promises…right now until you do, everything that you say without taking action is worthless to us…
OP of this thread is also the community manager…thanks for taking interest in your own thread!
Great job!..
Last night I was in a party with 8 or 9 of the people I always ran teams with and every single one of them was playing some other title. They’re done with Halo. Nothing I can say will make them come back so I ran 1 game alone and guess what happens? I run into a glitched lobby of at least 10 that even has the nerve to message me after the game and rub in the fact that they’re cheating and we suck. I guess they chose to message me because I was 1st on my team in kills and boss take downs. What makes it even more annoying is that they weren’t even any good! They barely won with a glitched lobby against a bunch of randoms. The only reason they won is because they hit the vehicle cap with tanks and wraiths to force a trip cap and core. Losing to a bunch of -Yoinks!- that I could crush with a decent team pisses me off even more.
This is just -Yoinking!- ridiculous at this point. I can’t get any of the people I used to play with to play anymore and half the games I play alone are against glitched lobbies. What the -Yoink- is 343 doing exactly? This is beyond understanding.