The UNSC after the war had very little warships, the thing i dont get is while they only had a few frigets left along with some ONI stealth corvettes and prowlers, but if you read glasslands then where did the destroyers come form? im starting to think that some vessels of the destroyer tonnage and maybe larger didnt take part in the battle of earth and could of been spared what do you think? Where did they come from and what do you think the UNSCs naval strenght is post war?
Well it’s entirely possible that they repaired the ships.
Fun fact, after the attack at Pearl Harbor, a lot of the sunken ships were raised, repaired, and sent back out into battle.
Maybe the UNSC salvaged what they could and repaired a few of their wrecked ships?
Or maybe they just had a few destroyers remaining anyway . . .
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To answer your other question, I’d assume that (with the exception of the Infinity) the UNSC Navy is a fraction of what it used to be . . . I’d bet that an armada of space bubbles could destroy them now . . . at least initially post war, I don’t know how their strength is four years after.
> Well it’s entirely possible that they repaired the ships.
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> Fun fact, after the attack at Pearl Harbor, a lot of the sunken ships were raised, repaired, and sent back out into battle.
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> Maybe the UNSC salvaged what they could and repaired a few of their wrecked ships?
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> Or maybe they just had a few destroyers remaining anyway . . .
so they could have mothballed a couple of the things in the war and reactivated them after the war? seems reasonable, the salvaging is also very likley i have to strongly agree on that because the covvies had a tendency to just incapacitate the ship and leave it at that, now imagine how many ships can be retrieved from Reachs poles
> > Well it’s entirely possible that they repaired the ships.
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> > Fun fact, after the attack at Pearl Harbor, a lot of the sunken ships were raised, repaired, and sent back out into battle.
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> > Maybe the UNSC salvaged what they could and repaired a few of their wrecked ships?
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> > Or maybe they just had a few destroyers remaining anyway . . .
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> so they could have mothballed a couple of the things in the war and reactivated them after the war? seems reasonable, the salvaging is also very likley i have to strongly agree on that because the covvies had a tendency to just incapacitate the ship and leave it at that, now imagine how many ships can be retrieved from Reachs poles
I would assume that they salvaged Reach pretty quickly too . . . I can’t remember what the date was but in Halo: Reach during the final cut scene it looked like Reach had been completely reformed into a planet that could contain life, which means likely they began on that planet pretty quickly so I’d assume that they would have also salvaged any working UNSC equipment possible.
We have no idea how many Destroyers the UNSC has. There were a few at the Battle of Earth who were then deployed to Onyx as part of Battlegroup Stalingrad. They were destroyed but it does show that even that late in the war they had Destroyers. It also demonstrates that Ships were deployed to other locations even during the Battle of Earth so it is definitely possible there are a lot more ships still available to the UNSC. The cover of The Thursday War also shows what appear to be Marathon Class Cruisers as well. The UNSC was badly hurt but they can regroup and repair what they have.
I imagine the UNSC recommissioned old mothballed ships similar to what they did with the Pillar of Autumn. As for post-war UNSC strength… my question would be; Why create the Infinity?
> I imagine the UNSC recommissioned old mothballed ships similar to what they did with the Pillar of Autumn. As for post-war UNSC strength… my question would be; Why create the Infinity?
The Infinity wasn’t created post-war it had been developed during the war. It was only a testbed for experimental weapons at the end of the War and was completed as part of Humanity’s effort to rebuild. It’s also the most technologically advanced ship every made by man… or this particular age of man since we were Tier 1 110,000 years ago.
> We have no idea how many Destroyers the UNSC has. There were a few at the Battle of Earth who were then deployed to Onyx as part of Battlegroup Stalingrad. They were destroyed but it does show that even that late in the war they had Destroyers. It also demonstrates that Ships were deployed to other locations even during the Battle of Earth so it is definitely possible there are a lot more ships still available to the UNSC. The cover of The Thursday War also shows what appear to be Marathon Class Cruisers as well. The UNSC was badly hurt but they can regroup and repair what they have.
Earth must have had a dockload of salvageable Marathons, like i said the Covvies didnt completly destroy UNSC ships, so Earth Sigma Octanus IV and Reach were good salvage points, and i really dont think they would for a while go to harvest and grab some more ships plus now i realize for Halo 3 when Hood says we will defend Earth should the flood come, so maybe he did a recall on all surving UNSC ships and battlegroups and they arrived during or after the battle of the Ark and the war
> > I imagine the UNSC recommissioned old mothballed ships similar to what they did with the Pillar of Autumn. As for post-war UNSC strength… my question would be; Why create the Infinity?
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> The Infinity wasn’t created post-war it had been developed during the war. It was only a testbed for experimental weapons at the end of the War and was completed as part of Humanity’s effort to rebuild. It’s also the most technologically advanced ship every made by man… or this particular age of man since we were Tier 1 110,000 years ago.
I heard it was supposed to be a Plan B sort of ship to use against the Covvies should Earth fall, its what it said in Glasslands, the test bed roll was after the war was over
> > > I imagine the UNSC recommissioned old mothballed ships similar to what they did with the Pillar of Autumn. As for post-war UNSC strength… my question would be; Why create the Infinity?
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> > The Infinity wasn’t created post-war it had been developed during the war. It was only a testbed for experimental weapons at the end of the War and was completed as part of Humanity’s effort to rebuild. It’s also the most technologically advanced ship every made by man… or this particular age of man since we were Tier 1 110,000 years ago.
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> I heard it was supposed to be a Plan B sort of ship to use against the Covvies should Earth fall, its what it said in Glasslands, the test bed roll was after the war was over
They said they were putting every scrap of Forerunner technology they could scrape up into the Infinity and this was before they got the Dyson’s Sphere. I don’t even believe she was space-worthy at the time of the Battle of Earth.
> > > > I imagine the UNSC recommissioned old mothballed ships similar to what they did with the Pillar of Autumn. As for post-war UNSC strength… my question would be; Why create the Infinity?
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> > > The Infinity wasn’t created post-war it had been developed during the war. It was only a testbed for experimental weapons at the end of the War and was completed as part of Humanity’s effort to rebuild. It’s also the most technologically advanced ship every made by man… or this particular age of man since we were Tier 1 110,000 years ago.
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> > I heard it was supposed to be a Plan B sort of ship to use against the Covvies should Earth fall, its what it said in Glasslands, the test bed roll was after the war was over
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> They said they were putting every scrap of Forerunner technology they could scrape up into the Infinity and this was before they got the Dyson’s Sphere. I don’t even believe she was space-worthy at the time of the Battle of Earth.
She was space worthy for quite some time, but tell me this would you send a multi trillion credit ship with only 10% of ops capacity and absolutley no armor? even if it wasnt ready if they had to they would get that thing ready in a sense eneough to be combat capable, although it would be very prone to getting destroyed
> > > > > I imagine the UNSC recommissioned old mothballed ships similar to what they did with the Pillar of Autumn. As for post-war UNSC strength… my question would be; Why create the Infinity?
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> > > > The Infinity wasn’t created post-war it had been developed during the war. It was only a testbed for experimental weapons at the end of the War and was completed as part of Humanity’s effort to rebuild. It’s also the most technologically advanced ship every made by man… or this particular age of man since we were Tier 1 110,000 years ago.
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> > > I heard it was supposed to be a Plan B sort of ship to use against the Covvies should Earth fall, its what it said in Glasslands, the test bed roll was after the war was over
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> > They said they were putting every scrap of Forerunner technology they could scrape up into the Infinity and this was before they got the Dyson’s Sphere. I don’t even believe she was space-worthy at the time of the Battle of Earth.
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> She was space worthy for quite some time, but tell me this would you send a multi trillion credit ship with only 10% of ops capacity and absolutley no armor? even if it wasnt ready if they had to they would get that thing ready in a sense eneough to be combat capable, although it would be very prone to getting destroyed
You just said they would have used it to fight if Earth fell but technically Earth did fall and yet she never participated in the Battle. Not even the final Battle when they assaulted Truth’s ship. This leads me to believe she wasn’t as ready as you think. She was only an experimental prototype.
A huge unrealistic waste of resources more like… I still think the Infinity is just a bolt-on story element you know? A ship created for the Halo universe as a matter of convenience rather than compelling storytelling.
I just can’t imagine the UNSC commissioning such a massive ship in the midst of a battle for their very existence. There were much larger pressing matters like… oh I don’t know… more ODPs for Reach maybe? Building the much more flexible and cheaper Frigates and Destroyers?
> A huge unrealistic waste of resources more like… I still think the Infinity is just a bolt-on story element you know? A ship created for the Halo universe as a matter of convenience rather than compelling storytelling.
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> I just can’t imagine the UNSC commissioning such a massive ship in the midst of a battle for their very existence. There were much larger pressing matters like… oh I don’t know… more ODPs for Reach maybe? Building the much more flexible and cheaper Frigates and Destroyers?
Destroyers, yes. Frigates, only if its the Paris-class heavy version, because anything less and its ABSOLUTLEY useless, inadequate armor, weapons and defenses, its fast but covvie ships are fatser and bigger, thats why so many get destryed, destroyers can handle themselves pretty well, and also they didnt need to focus on anyhting else after reach was destroyed, so they had the resources transfered to the Ifinity’s build, while whatever was left of the fleet was was just that
See… I just don’t buy that as believable. If I were a person of influence in the UNSC and the military stronghold of the UNSC was just destroyed and Earth exposed and vulnerable I would divert all resources into building defenses, ships and military assets. The Infinity was a huge waste of resources especially judging that it did not participate in any major UNSC-Covenant engagements, just think of how many Frigates, Destroyers or even Marathon-class Cruisers could have been made with those resources?
During the original Bungie trilogy we’ve seen a single Halcyon cruiser and glimpses of Marathon cruisers. The implication of their few numbers (and eventual disappearance in H3) is reflective of the plight of the UNSC; their big cruisers have all been wiped out. Pumping resources into a single MASSIVE ship, and therefore MASSIVE target albeit Unyielding Hierophant-stylee, is just plain foolish. My impression of the UNSC is that they are shrewd, efficient and cunning and the Infinity, in the context of the war, just doesn’t fit at all.
The Infinity, as an element of the story, is simply a convenient platform to get the UNSC to Requiem, get Spartan-IVs to Requiem and give Halo 4 a human element. Unfortunately it just doesn’t make any sense whatsoever.
true… but you gotta realize the building ODPs doesnt happen over night and building more marathons isnt the quickest thing either, the infinity is a large waste that could have gone into developing weapons more attoned and effective against the covenant, i.e. mac guns that have the ability to fire at least 4 slugs before re chrging, similar to the PoA
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I would assume that they salvaged Reach pretty quickly too . . . I can’t remember what the date was but in Halo: Reach during the final cut scene it looked like Reach had been completely reformed into a planet that could contain life, which means likely they began on that planet pretty quickly so I’d assume that they would have also salvaged any working UNSC equipment possible.
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The end cut scene was roughly 30 years after the Battle of Reach if I remember right. I may be wrong though, because, more often than not, the Covenant glassed the planets that they “purified” to the point where the intense heat from the burning planet would actually burn away the atmosphere.
Without any sort of terraforming process, that cut scene could have taken place hundreds of years after the events of Halo: Reach, and well after the events of the next Halo trilogy. I’ll have to find that cut scene and check the date for sure.
> See… I just don’t buy that as believable. If I were a person of influence in the UNSC and the military stronghold of the UNSC was just destroyed and Earth exposed and vulnerable I would divert all resources into building defenses, ships and military assets. The Infinity was a huge waste of resources especially judging that it did not participate in any major UNSC-Covenant engagements, just think of how many Frigates, Destroyers or even Marathon-class Cruisers could have been made with those resources?
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> <mark>During the original Bungie trilogy we’ve seen a single Halcyon cruiser and glimpses of Marathon cruisers. The implication of their few numbers (and eventual disappearance in H3) is reflective of the plight of the UNSC; their big cruisers have all been wiped out.</mark> Pumping resources into a single MASSIVE ship, and therefore MASSIVE target albeit Unyielding Hierophant-stylee, is just plain foolish. My impression of the UNSC is that they are shrewd, efficient and cunning and the Infinity, in the context of the war, just doesn’t fit at all.
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> The Infinity, as an element of the story, is simply a convenient platform to get the UNSC to Requiem, get Spartan-IVs to Requiem and give Halo 4 a human element. Unfortunately it just doesn’t make any sense whatsoever.
But these are all events taking place at the end of the War. It took 20 years for the Infinity to be constructed which could actually put her construction date before the war began or during the very beginning of the war. At the time building large ships was commonplace. The UNSC did have Super Carriers after all. They stopped building more after they realized doing so would be a waste of resources but the Infinity had already been partially constructed.
Well that’s a very good point there. However it doesn’t explain why they continued working on the ship and upgrading it and completing it at such a time of crisis.
> Well that’s a very good point there. However it doesn’t explain why they continued working on the ship and upgrading it and completing it at such a time of crisis.
As a last resort maybe.
The UNSC Infinity was supposed to be humanities last chance at survival if Earth fell, and to me that rings a few bells that say . . . no scream: “This ship is pretty -Yoinking- powerful!”
I don’t know maybe that’s me, but we have never really seen the Infinity in action, if it still does have weapons, how powerful are they? What if the Infinity can easily take down a Covenant Super Carrier (around twenty something miles long) with ease? I mean, the Infinity is 3 miles (5.6 KM) long, so if you want to talk about a waste of space . . . ask the covies man.
Would its construction still be a waste then?