Or it means that the game is good at getting people addicted lol. I’m sure the fanbases of -Yoink!- are moderately pleased with their product. It doesnt mean its good for them.
You mean the franchise that went on to basically create the current xbox live system that currently exists? You think fortnite is THAT revolutionary? A game that literally copy and pasted H1Z1 AND PUBG is revolutionary? Please stop.
Right lets just ignore the decades of Halo machinimas and compilations that have racked up billions of views on youtube over the years. Just throw all those views away and yea, Halo will
never be as popular.
Before i start, this^ right here is what the forums are meant for. Discussion and dialogue. Not straw men and red herrings. Anyway……
It might not change a thing, not necessarily at least. But since theyre already doing a blatant rip off of gamed that came before, they might not stop there. They might just go ahead and amend their challenge systems and stores to be another copy of those games. Seriously, do you not realize how manipulative fortnites formula is? If you honestly dont then i suggest you do some research. Its jarring and disturbing to see the lengths that fortnite goes to in order to convince someone to pay money in their store. And if Halo is gonna coly fortnites gameplay, might as copy their store too……
That’s not even why Halo was revolutionary. There was online MP before Halo, yes Halo 2 was one of the first XBL games to come out but lets be real here this is like saying the first Kinect game was revolutionary, it was just following trends.
What made Halo revolutionary was its 2 weapon system, its regenerative health, its social features (may they rest in peace)
Yes Fortnite copied other games, but so has every single game that has ever came out. Games that are deemed revolutionary are almost never the most unique games or the ones with the highest number of original ideas, they are revolutionary because of their impact. Fortnite is far more impactful than Halo was frankly, it basically made every single game on the market pursue Battle Royale, made F2P into a common thing, and its going strong all these years later.
What does this even mean? Of course its not “good for them” no game ever is. These are meant for entertainment, to waste time.
I think your living in the past. Halo at its peak (Halo 3 era) was nowhere near as popular as Fortnite is now, even though its been argued at length that Fortnite’s peak is behind it. Now if your argument is that Halo (over the course of 2 decades) is more popular franchise wise than Fortnite, then you are probably right. However no question Fortnite is far more popular now than Halo is, and its unlikely to ever change.
The forum censored the word. Just replace Yoink with Coca Cola, but get rid of the cola.
Anyway, I dont want to continue an argument about “which game is better” because thats just gonna go in circles. Sure games copied BR after fortnite, but were they copying fortnite or were they copying PUBG? Considering PUBG came first, i’d say fortnite is out of that one. But if you think fortnite is better, more power to you, just bear in mind that acknowledging the past isnt the same as living in it. It just means i give credit where credit is due and dont view population metrics or game revenue as catch-all statistics to determine the quality of a game. Because if all you want to go by to determine quality is a number, then the recent Resident Evil movie was objectively better than Schindler’s List, using that mode of thinking.
Its not a matter of what I think is better to what. I would argue that Apex Legends is the best BR released so far, but it overall is nowhere near as impactful as Fortnite was/is.
Let me ask you some things. Do you think Halo was the first Sci-fi game to ever come out? What about first arena shooter? I could go down the list but my point is that rarely do the games that innovate and come up with something new become as impactful as the games that take those ideas, perfect them, and make them into something more impactful.
Let me ask something else. Have you heard of Roguelikes? Probably the next big trend in gaming (they’ve only increased in popularity year to year, they’ll eventually release a game that is something massive)
Do you know what the first Roguelike was? Well you could guess just by the name itself but its name was Rogue. It would insane to argue that the first roguelike is anywhere near as impactful as Binding of Isaac or Hades or even Slay the Spire have been, because those games were far more successful and thus had a much larger overall impact than what the early Roguelikes did.
Same reason I don’t consider Unreal Tournament, Quake, GoldenEye, maybe a few others I can’t remember to be remotely as impactful as Halo was, even though they came before. They didn’t succeed (definitely don’t continue to) as much as Halo and thus that’s why Halo is one of the more impactful games to ever release.
We’re basically arguing impact vs originality. Revolutionary doesn’t mean Innovative. It means the game caused a revolution lol, so it was heavily impactful.
Edit: Sorry for derailing a bit OP, I just like talking about stuff lol.
but that is irrelevant to the fact that what you state was INACCURATE.o
ok?
do you understand?
see, when you are operating from a point of ego that will go over YOUR head.
You stated that first…
which I just showcased is simply not true…again, reality not emotion…you are factually wrong.
This is also irrelevant as this company has 1,000 employees…they can simply make a map, ya know?
This is also irrelevant as those games ALL started out with ONE MAP as well, get it?
This could hold relevancy but then again…they could just adjust for it.
This concept that microsoft games just can’t handle a larger number on their servers is based off of nothing but your opinion.
Not sure why you’re so angry, but you sure love to throw out that meaningless straw man line. Halo didn’t pioneer arena shooters in any sense of the word. Quake, Unreal Tournament and Doom did. Halo had its own take on the arena style by introducing its own game types and playlists, but you’re a fool if you think they pioneered the mode in anyway. Halo did what every other arena shooter did after 2003, they rode the popular trend of arena shooters by adding in their own small flares to the established game type to make it their own. It’s called adapting and modernizing, which is what other fps games are starting to do with battle royales, and if 343 is smart, it’s what they’ll do next to save their game. You also seem to have some real beef with Fortnite for some reason, not sure what happened to you on that game but if you think the Fortnite store is even half as predatory as the Halo Infinite store then you are even more delusional than your previous messages suggest
Maybe thats cuz what youre saying is a straw man. If you dont know what it means, that doesnt make it meaningless. It just means you have something to google.
Lol you have no idea what youre saying. Go do research.
I can read your messages as many times over as you ask me to but it will never help them to make any sense. You are just what every other never-BR clone sounds like ‘KeEp BR aWay FrOm my GaMe bC foRnite baD’ but people like you never are able to refute what the statistics show. Today, arena shooters die fast and make less money than their BR counter parts. Its just a fact. If 343 jumps into the ring and makes their own BR it will make Halo Infinite as a whole much more successful then it will ever be without one and that’s not up for debate.
Straw men and now youre the pot calling the kettle black? Listen, if you cant understand why im using those words, it not my job to spell it out for you. Do your own research if you dont understand what im saying. As for ignoring the stats, like i said, going by raw numbers alone, the recent Resident Evil movie was better than Schindler’s List. Thats my rebuttal. If you dont understand what that means, thats your problem not mine.
you’re really struggling here and it shows. “If you’re going by the raw numbers” aka the profit margins? What movie/game is better acclaimed than the next is irrelevant because it’s all subjective. All that matters is the profit, and Battle Royales make more money than strictly arena shooters. More money means better game servers, more staff to facilitate the game and more investment back into the community from 343. I’m done replying to you because all you have is some useless straw man deflect while yelping ‘do some research’ while you simultaneously contradict what all research actually shows about the success of video games over the last few years. If you really wanna save this video game without implementing a BR I suggest you go purchase a $20 vehicle sticker instead of stroking yourself off in these forums
Right because its obvious you dont know what the word straw man is or why i used it in the context i did. And that movie analogy? Resident evil is more financially successful than Schindler’s List, yet Schindler’s List was more impactful. Fortnites been around for 4 and a half years and its already on the way out, eclipsed by other BR titles. Halo is over 20 years and the community is still alive and well. And fortnite is more successful? Wait 16 more years and then we can have that discussion. Again, its clear that youre not understanding the words im using, the analogies im leveraging, or the reasons why i dislike fortnite. And that is all on you my friend. At a certain point, you need to do actual research into the psychological nature of “whats popular,” because just because something makes a lot of money, doesnt mean its a good thing or a quality product. It just means its efficient. Kind of like drugs. They make lots of money very efficiently because they get people addicted. Theyre a successful enterprise, yet they make the world a worse place. Kind of like fortnites cosmetic store. The same store the Halo copied. If you dont believe me, then go do some researchbecause i dont have the patience to sit here and elaborate exactly why the fortnite store is psychological aggressive and laid the foundation that went on to turn video game players into something that game producers merely look at as products who are nothing more than a source of revenue to be manipulated. But if you dont want to actually do research and rely solely on numbers, im sure the drug dealers will appreciate you. Ask no questions and live ignorance. Ignorance is bliss.
Are my arguments making sense yet? Do you maybe want to go back and read over everything now that ive spoon fed it to you? Just because my arguments dont make sense to you doesnt mean they dont make sense period, it just means youre not exhibiting critical thought here. Youre just spouting that im wrong and that im saying nothing meaninful all while contradicting that notion by proving to me that you arent actually comprehending anything im saying. Like the word straw man. Lol you are so good at making straw men.
dude are you doing ok? That whole novel you wrote was in response to a post where I simply said I think I’d enjoy a Halo Battle Royale but all you did was spout off on the ‘psychological implications’ of the fortnite store and how it’s ‘harmful’ but you were the one who brought up fortnite to begin with. Wether you like it or not Halo and Fortnite are both video games my man, neither of them contribute anything to society other than enjoyment for the people that like them. And if you’re saying the fortnite store has already been integrated into Halo even without the introduction of a battle royale then why would you care about a BR being made? The damage has already been done hasn’t it? All I have ever said is that I think a BR would be a good addition to increase the player base and boost revenue in the game. I don’t care about your useless movie and drug analogies because they aren’t applicable, even if you’ve tricked yourself into believing they are. I know you think these incoherent rants make you sound intelligent but honestly they just sound manic. Log off for the day and take your medication, you’ll feel better in the morning
Stuff like this is what causes a man to rant. Its another straw man. Disregarding the reasons and the context under which i said what i said. And underming the reasons why i argued what i argued. This whole exchange started because i called you out for saying that BRs were new and you believed me to be calling you out for saying BRs are fun. Like i said before, its just proof that you either arent reading anything, or youre just not thinking. Its written in plain english. If there are words in there that you dont understand, then go look them up. If you dont understand why my arguments are in play, then ask me instead of calling me deluded. Dont understand why im talking about fortnite? Because the only reason youre asking for BR is because it was so obscenely popularized by none other than fortnite, thats why i brought up fortnite.
Its disrepectful enough when you just blatantly disregard the things i take the time to write down to give my opinion on a matter that im passionate about, but thats not enough for you? Gotta go the extra mile and make sure you call me delusional? Uncharitable at best.
basically you like modes where you have lots of breaks instead of constant action which is what a br is. lots of downtime. i only need to play halo for about 2 hrs then i get my down time somewhhere else. halo could do with more relaxing modes though for people who want to play halo all day.
people will get 28 player battle royales when forge comes out. if people really like it then 343 will expand on it. if people are playing something else a lot more than battle royale custom games then they should expand on whatevers popular in their community. That should be their businesss model
Wait what? Are we talking about the Attrition mode?
They’re not going to monetize a game mode (unless they introduce Warzone again), they’ve already stated that multiplayer will be free to play. Kinda shot themselves in the foot for any sort of option like that.
As for expanding into game modes the community enjoys then they absolutely should.
I’m not even concerned with this at all, they can’t even get Forge, and Campaign co op out… They won’t add more to the struggle that is their dev team.trting to figure out how to put Forge together again.
I agree. But they once came out and said that they plan to have this game around for years and years without a new title, so once forge, coop and firefight are added what’s next to add that can sustain this game and it’s community for years to come? I think a good BR would be a solid addition down the line
