Hello to all that might be reading this. I hope that i get a response from 343 Themselves… I have experienced in the past a 24 hour credit ban from halo reach server (which is operated by 343). I didn’t think much of it until I did some research. To typically receive a credit ban, the person most likely would be boosting and got caught. For example the person that is the primary player would get an insane amount of kills while the person that is playing split screen would be getting negative kills. Now one would expect for the negative kills to be in the -20’s or -30’s. I would have to say that the person in split screen getting at the most -2 sometimes, but usually 0 is NOT BOOSTING. I could care less about how much more kills i could get. The real situation is that my 4 YEAR OLD SON is playing with me. He asks me every day to play Halo Reach and now he can’t because I have been banned for a second time. This time the ban was for a week. I have heard that if I get banned again, it will be a permanent ban on my console and my account. Since then I am much less excited to get Halo 4 because of the fear of getting a bologna credit ban from 343. Please 343… Re-Evaluate your “Credit Ban Policy” and ban the guys who are really doing the damage. I have been a Halo fan since the first game came out, but now I’m starting to second guess this franchise/developer for a small-town cop who has a itchy trigger finger to ban anybody and everybody for the teeniest, tiny reason. Come on guys get a grip! Please respond so I can see that you actually care about your fans!
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343i will not respond to your issues, nor will they reverse the ban or offer any sort of appeal process.
My post in this thread offers a (somewhat lengthy) explanation.
> Hello to all that might be reading this. I hope that i get a response from 343 Themselves… I have experienced in the past a 24 hour credit ban from halo reach server (which is operated by 343). I didn’t think much of it until I did some research.
Under normal circumstances, I’d simply explain to you that bans are a multitude of reasons and traits which identify the need for bans, but I’ll make an exception and hear you out.
> <mark>To typically receive a credit ban</mark>, the person most likely would be <mark>boosting and got caught</mark>.
This is only one reason for a ban. There is other things which can get you banned as well.
> For example the person that is the primary player would get an insane amount of kills while the person that is playing split screen would be getting negative kills. Now one would expect for the negative kills to be in the -20’s or -30’s.
Not at all. Negative kills is negative kills. From -1 to -100, its irrelevant beyond general markers and indicators that someone was committing suicide, without getting any kills in the entire match.
> I would have to say that the person in split screen getting at the most -2 sometimes, but usually 0 is NOT BOOSTING.
It can be. If the player was not trying to help the objective/medals and still couldn’t get a single kill, this is a good indicator the person is not playing appropriately.
> I could care less about how much more kills i could get. The real situation is that my 4 YEAR OLD SON is playing with me.
I’d recommend firefight or campaign. Playing multiplayer may be too difficult for him to grasp.
> He asks me every day to play Halo Reach and now he can’t because I have been banned for a second time.
Sorry to hear that. Like I said, I recommend campaign or firefight.
> This time the ban was for a week. I have heard that if I get banned again, it will be a permanent ban on my console and my account.
I don’t know about that…
> Since then I am much less excited to get Halo 4 because of the fear of getting a bologna credit ban from 343.
Bans are inevitable and while I wish the ban system could be better, the fact is you work with what you have. The ban system reads game data, total movement taken, and other factors to determine if a ban is noteworthy. If your son or you cannot get manage to perform a good enough game statistic, I’d suggest switching modes of play.
> Please 343… Re-Evaluate your “Credit Ban Policy” and ban the guys who are really doing the damage.
Technically speaking, no one wants to be stuck with people in a match where they are going negative anything. It’s a lack of respect at the fact they are trying to do the objectives of slaying or capturing objectives and having one of the player slots filled by someone who isn’t going to try and help with that.
> I have been a Halo fan since the first game came out, but now I’m starting to second guess this franchise/developer for a small-town cop who has a itchy trigger finger to ban anybody and everybody for the teeniest, tiny reason. Come on guys get a grip! Please respond so I can see that you actually care about your fans!
343 employee’s will never reply to a thread like this. The ban is set and your going to have to work with the system if you don’t want it to happen again.
All I read was “4 year old son.” If you insist on your son playing a game rated for ages 17 and older… I see two options.
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firefight, campaign and custom…
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if you insist on him playing matchmaking… Get him his own account. He’ll lose a lot at first but at least eventually he’ll get matched with other players he could play with.
> All I read was “4 year old son.” If you insist on your son playing a game rated for ages 17 and older… I see two options.
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> 1) firefight, campaign and custom…
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> 2) if you insist on him playing matchmaking… <mark>Get him his own account. He’ll lose a lot at first</mark> but at least eventually he’ll get matched with other players he could play with.
Yeah. And he’ll get banned in a second because he couldn’t score any kills, even though he played legitimately.
Now you see the problem with the banning system?
I just figure that when the next Xbox system comes out, he will just have my 360 in his room and he can jump off the cliff as much as he wants in Halo. But thanks guys for all of your thoughts!
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> > All I read was “4 year old son.” If you insist on your son playing a game rated for ages 17 and older… I see two options.
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> > 1) firefight, campaign and custom…
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> > 2) if you insist on him playing matchmaking… <mark>Get him his own account. He’ll lose a lot at first</mark> but at least eventually he’ll get matched with other players he could play with.
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> Yeah. And he’ll get banned in a second because he couldn’t score any kills, even though he played legitimately.
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> Now you see the problem with the banning system?
How is that a problem? During his first credit ban he will continue losing, he won’t be earning credits but he will still be building his matchmaking record… He’ll find the bottom rung of true skill soon enough. When he hits the bottom, if he can’t get kills there, then you’ll know for sure… 4 year olds shouldn’t be playing shooter games. As long as his father doesn’t try to play with him in matchmaking, there shouldn’t be any problems.
> How is that a problem? During his first credit ban he will continue losing, he won’t be earning credits but he will still be building his matchmaking record… He’ll find the bottom rung of true skill soon enough. When he hits the bottom, if he can’t get kills there, then you’ll know for sure… 4 year olds shouldn’t be playing shooter games. As long as his father doesn’t try to play with him in matchmaking, there shouldn’t be any problems.
The problem is, doesn’t his son deserve to earn credits like everyone else, since he is making an honest effort to play the game?
Banning someone because they are unskilled is a problem. Isn’t it?
> > How is that a problem? During his first credit ban he will continue losing, he won’t be earning credits but he will still be building his matchmaking record… He’ll find the bottom rung of true skill soon enough. When he hits the bottom, if he can’t get kills there, then you’ll know for sure… 4 year olds shouldn’t be playing shooter games. As long as his father doesn’t try to play with him in matchmaking, there shouldn’t be any problems.
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> The problem is, doesn’t his son deserve to earn credits like everyone else, since he is making an honest effort to play the game?
I still don’t see your point. 1) credit ban doesn not stop him from playing 2) a 4 year old cares about earning credits? 3) Not permanent ban. He will, very soon, begin to earn credits
> Banning someone because they are unskilled is a problem. Isn’t it?
The ban system is more beneficial than it is malevolent. I see a 4 year old getting credit banned for a day as nothing especially if it is compared to allowing people to boost via idling to earn credits that the simply DID NOT EARN. No kills, no credits. Why is this a hard concept?
You ask "shouldn’t he earn credits like everyone else? YES, he should earn them by earning them. If he is not killing, he is not earning. Very simple.
> I still don’t see your point. 1) credit ban doesn not stop him from playing 2) a 4 year old cares about earning credits? 3) Not permanent ban. He will, very soon, begin to earn credits
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> The ban system is more beneficial than it is malevolent. I see a 4 year old getting credit banned for a day as nothing especially if it is compared to allowing people to boost via idling to earn credits that the simply DID NOT EARN. No kills, no credits. Why is this a hard concept?
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> You ask "shouldn’t he earn credits like everyone else? YES, he should earn them by earning them. If he is not killing, he is not earning. Very simple.
Then maybe it would help to distance from the case of the 4 year old. Put yourself in this position:
Suppose you go into a game of Rumble Pit looking for some clean fun. Your opponents are all highly-skilled players who are invincible masters at the game. Try as you might, you simply cannot earn a single kill for the whole game.
You still earn credits at the end of that game. But you later find that you are banned from earning credits for future games for the next 48 hours.
Was that fair to you?
Good, the system bans the guilty. But it also bans the innocent.