Unity....

At the end of Primordium, the Timeless One takes a good deal of his time to discuss, unity. This was supposed to be the Precursors ultimate goal. With the inclusions of the Amazon Summary, it seems there may be a second party facing the Precursors. Perhaps they’re caught in a civil war? Well, here’s my theory.

The Timeless One was a part of the Precursors who had seeded life throughout the galaxy. They did this to find the ultimate race, a race to unite all species and lead the universe in a full scale war against the other Precursors, the ones in the war with the Timeless One’s Precursors. They were losing. They were getting brutally slaughtered everywhere they went. They unleashed the Flood as a final act in desperation. Then they sought out to end the Forerunners, due to them seeing that they would not be able to save the Universe against the “2nd Precursors.” They did not anticipate however, that the Forerunners would learn about this plan, possibly from the 2nd Precursors, and overturn their gods. Since the Precursors were weak from fighting the 2nd Precursors, it was a quick fight. This made sure that Forerunners would become the dominant species in the Galaxy, and prevent unity, thus giving the 2nd Precursors full control over the universe.

However, the few Precursors turned themselves into Graveminds, including the Timeless One. This enabled them to control the Flood, and make the Forerunners extinct. They saw that Humanity could unite the species, and overthrow the evil 2nd Precursors. Then the Forerunner-Flood War happened. Here’s where we come to Halo 4.

Chief finds Requiem, as well as a Forerunner in a Cryptum. Halo 4 will focus on the Forerunners being the only enemy, same with much of Halo 5. Then Humans learn of the plan that the 2nd Precursors have, and then unite every species they can. This is where they end up getting help from the Forerunners. When they get the Didact, he tells them where the Organon is, allowing the now united galaxy to travel else-where with Precursor ships, uniting Galaxy after Galaxy, until Halo 6, where Chief and the Didact square off against a menace to everyone. And defeat it.

> At the end of Primordium, the Timeless One takes a good deal of his time to discuss, unity. This was supposed to be the Precursors ultimate goal. With the inclusions of the Amazon Summary, it seems there may be a second party facing the Precursors. Perhaps they’re caught in a civil war? Well, here’s my theory.
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> The Timeless One was a part of the Precursors who had seeded life throughout the galaxy. They did this to find the ultimate race, a race to unite all species and lead the universe in a full scale war against the other Precursors, the ones in the war with the Timeless One’s Precursors. They were losing. They were getting brutally slaughtered everywhere they went. They unleashed the Flood as a final act in desperation. Then they sought out to end the Forerunners, due to them seeing that they would not be able to save the Universe against the “2nd Precursors.” They did not anticipate however, that the Forerunners would learn about this plan, possibly from the 2nd Precursors, and overturn their gods. Since the Precursors were weak from fighting the 2nd Precursors, it was a quick fight. This made sure that Forerunners would become the dominant species in the Galaxy, and prevent unity, thus giving the 2nd Precursors full control over the universe.
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> <mark>However, the few Precursors turned themselves into Graveminds,</mark> including the Timeless One. This enabled them to control the Flood, and make the Forerunners extinct. They saw that Humanity could unite the species, and overthrow the evil 2nd Precursors. Then the Forerunner-Flood War happened. Here’s where we come to Halo 4.
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> Chief finds Requiem, as well as a Forerunner in a Cryptum. Halo 4 will focus on the Forerunners being the only enemy, same with much of Halo 5. Then Humans learn of the plan that the 2nd Precursors have, and then unite every species they can. This is where they end up getting help from the Forerunners. When they get the Didact, he tells them where the Organon is, allowing the now united galaxy to travel else-where with Precursor ships, uniting Galaxy after Galaxy, until Halo 6, where Chief and the Didact square off against a menace to everyone. And defeat it.

Do we have confirmation that ALL the remaining Precursors turned into Graveminds?

I think having two seperate factions of Precursors that fought a civil war is just un necessary. I just can’t see how that it makes sense for them to be fighting each other, they created humans and forerunners in the milky way, only one spiecies could “take hold of the mantle” so the Precursors chose the humans. Forerunners learnt of their inevitable extinction and fought back and it seemed like they won.
Now the whole unity thing is about the flood being ones to bring unity to the galaxy by infecting and consuming all sentinent life, thus uniting into one species. The Flood. That would end all conflict in the galaxy and the mantle would of couse be upheld just as the Precursors wanted.

> I think having two seperate factions of Precursors that fought a civil war is just un necessary.

Well seeing how the flood goes against the mantle they support a Civil war would be natural.

If this is the case, the games will have a lot of explaining to do. Heck, they already do. The games barely touch upon the Forerunners in concrete, solid terms, and I don’t think I’ve heard a single mention of the Precursors in the games, ever. So the games would have to introduce players to the Forerunners as us deep-lore book-lovers know them, and then also establish the Precursors. I mean, it’s certainly possible. I just don’t really see it happening, though. I could see a lot of people getting the story muddled, with an ancient civilization fighting against an even more ancient one.

No, I don’t think this story has a place in the games. I think the story of the universe will focus more on the Forerunners than the Precursors in the next decade. I could be wrong, but that’s my speculation.

> If this is the case, the games will have a lot of explaining to do. Heck, they already do. The games barely touch upon the Forerunners in concrete, solid terms, and I don’t think I’ve heard a single mention of the Precursors in the games, ever. So the games would have to introduce players to the Forerunners as us deep-lore book-lovers know them, and then also establish the Precursors. I mean, it’s certainly possible. I just don’t really see it happening, though. I could see a lot of people getting the story muddled, with an ancient civilization fighting against an even more ancient one.
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> No, I don’t think this story has a place in the games. I think the story of the universe will focus more on the Forerunners than the Precursors in the next decade. I could be wrong, but that’s my speculation.

Maybe the Prologue may help people out.

I feel like that would make the Precursors and their story a little too similar to the Forerunners.

Ok so the Precursors have had civil war, the forerunners had civil war, humans had civil war and the covenant have had civil war seems to be bit of a pattern building here!!!

> Ok so the Precursors have had civil war, the forerunners had civil war, humans had civil war and the covenant have had civil war seems to be bit of a pattern building here!!!

It dose make sense though.

through out Human history many empires have rose and fell because of expanding to far and civil strife.

In my mind it seems logical to assume the same would happen in the Halo universe as well, just on much larger scale.

> > I think having two seperate factions of Precursors that fought a civil war is just un necessary.
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> Well seeing how the flood goes against the mantle they support a Civil war would be natural.

Does it really?

In the Gravemind’s words “Do I take life or give it? Who is victim, and who is foe?”

Certainly it seems from the Gravemind’s perspective there would be no violation of the Mantle’s tenets. The Flood doesn’t really destroy life, it just alters it.

And when it comes to preserving life Flood Biomass can apparently survive for the equivalent of billions of years.

In truth there is no real breach of the mantle in the Flood’s actions, it could even be interpreted as carrying it out in its own way by preserving life and culture and bringing unity and peace to the galaxy. Nothing in the Mantle says that there can’t be suffering along the way or that individuality should be valued.

I was reading this on another thread which speaks of the same thing this one does, and the other one is more in depth, so I figured I’d put some of what they said. Anyways, the thread is called “Precursors and the Flood *Spoilers” or something like that.

Masaker13666;540087 wrote:
Mr Sanders117;539946 wrote:
Well, again, the book leaves alot for interpretation, and this is simply how I have interpreted the events. I believe it is the most logical conclusion, but that is fueled by my own perceptions. I do not believe a Gravemind ever has the possibility of changing its shape or mass, but rather it just adds to it. But it can have extensions, if you will. Again, like Regret in H2 and 2401. The Primordial was an individual Precursor who, once free, started assimilating victims onto his Whole while on Installation 07, and he was creating Graveminds to further extend his power. I will always hold to the belief that, until proven wrong with concrete factual evidence, that the Precursors became highly advanced Flood, and are now synonymous with them. The Precursors became Graveminds, they assimilate, but are not like the creature we met in Halo 2, who was a Gravemind organized by the Flood itself. It’s an odd, vicious cycle.

I agree with your play on it, but part of what I meant would be that only one Precursor, the one administering the test would bond with the Flood, like a super Gravemind. And in turn would then create other lower graveminds like sattelite dishes, to diperse his signal to the other Flood, and tell them what and what not to infect. I still feel like the Precursors were more than just assimilating other species into the Flood. Which would explain why there is just that one Gravemind that looks like the Primordial. It would be kind of like a Forerunner Mutation. A single Precursor volunteers to administer this Test, the next part would get tricky. Either they have Graveminds for him to bond with on the Precursor homeworld, or they send out the Flood with the initial job of creating a Proto Gravemind, then the “Proffersor” comes in, absorbs that Gravemind, and begins the full testing.

One thing I like when adding this idea to what the Precursor looked like, Is that if he is assimilating different species into one whole. How many different species were put to this test before they got to the Humans and Forerunners? I still feel like this book is leading one to believe that ALL Precursor are Flood. I feel like if a species are deemed worthy of the Mantle, the Precursors accept them to their ranks. Like a U.N of sorts. And they are in charge of their own Galaxy. The Flood is simply a way for them to see what extent the species will go to to survive. I have also found the irony in the Primordial turning MB against his creators and then destroying themselves. It actually helps if you think that the Mantle is protector of life, becuase the Flood were never really at the brink of destroying the Forerunners completely, they had depleted their ranks, but the Forerunners resorted to destroying their own cities. To keep the flood from taking more hosts. It would seem there were still plenty of Forerunners left, and it did not seem the Flood were infecting anything else other than Forerunners, But yet the Forerunners chose to destroy everything. But again, also ammusingly, themselves.

And this is why I still feel the Mantle is a protector title, the Flood never destroyed a single race as far as we can tell. They stopped attacking Humans, if it was by choice, it is because they forced Humans to the brink, and they never sacrificed another species. And then the Flood went after Forerunners, but again, they never destroyed them, the Forerunners destroyed themselves.

Exactly! That’s it exactly! I believe the Primordial chose to stop the initial attack on humanity for two reasons; one, because the Forerunners became involved. And two, The Primordial, being a Precursor, saw that humanity banded together, and sacrificed only themselves to stop the Flood outbreak, if that is not a testament to Guardianship, i don’t know what is. This is what the Primordial meant by “long study”. Through those 10,000 years, he observed humanity and Forerunner. And the decision was made that Humanity, when they are ripe, would finally be tested on their own merits.

Now, I feel like we’re on the same page, and I completely misunderstood what you meant by “the Professor” before, but I can totally wrap my head around that logic. It makes perfect sense. After all, a primordial is the earliest stage of development, this is clearly what he was. The Professor, henceforth be known, would administer the Flood Super Cell and evolve into one of the Transsentient beings, and that was the purpose of the “Lower Gravemind” units. Satellite dishes! I love it! I still hold to the belief the the Precursors were one race, like the Forerunners, but now, like maybe less than a handful remain, and they have evolved into a “Transsentient Mind”. Brilliant reasoning there! I have to gather my thoughts on this.