Many people have posts regarding underpowered or unbalanced leaders. So this just needs to be said, with the exception of unit balancing, leaders are more or less all balanced and viable. There are 2 clear over powered leaders at the moment, being Voridus and Pavium. Serena is close to being up there at the moment, but not due to her leaders abilities rather the effects of what she does and the glitches it does to warthogs. Id also say shes rather balanced.
Every leader has abilities that make them unique. Every leader has the basics of everything they need to fight a majority of armys types.
While I understand that many people claim certain leaders are stronger then others in 1’s, it needs to be understood that 1 on 1 may very well be decided on what leader you are and are facing. What needs to be done, is learning how to counter another leaders abilities and unit strengths while being able to still utilize your own. The only way they may all fare well against each other isnt through leaders ability changes, but through unit balancing that is still to come. But the reality is, that doesnt make one leaders less or more strong then another(with those 2 exceptions). Majority of leaders your gonna know what powers they pick and what they are gonna be building and how they will utilize each power (with proper scouting), therefore change what your doing to be in direct competition with that and take advantage of their weakness. No leader is unstoppable. Voridus and paviums still lose in top tier games against teams without them. Shipmaster, cutter and kinsano still win in top tier games against supposed stronger leader line ups.
The leaders are balanced, the only thing to change now is Unit Balancing, and fixing some more truly OP things that usually revovle around goitches or counter units being unable to compete.
You can do it, I believe in you. Find the path to securing the win in a game, and you will have a stronger chance at winning whatever your leader may be.
Im ready for all the arguements players will have about some leader being to weak or to strong and I am prepared to give you proper answers to support my claim. No leader is underbalanced. All leaders can more or less properly compete.
You wrote a big paragraph there, but in short you are saying there’s not really a leader advantage with leaders except for Voridus and Pavium. I guess Forge is completely balanced, Arbiters conduit of rage upgrades are easy to counter, and phantoms are no problem at all?
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> You wrote a big paragraph there, but in short you are saying there’s not really a leader advantage with leaders except for Voridus and Pavium. I guess Forge is completely balanced, Arbiters conduit of rage upgrades are easy to counter, and phantoms are no problem at all?
Yes thats exactly what I am saying. Phantoms can be stopped, dont let it get out of control, shut it down before it gets out of hand. Same arguement people have with the whole decimus banshees out of control scenario.
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> > You wrote a big paragraph there, but in short you are saying there’s not really a leader advantage with leaders except for Voridus and Pavium. I guess Forge is completely balanced, Arbiters conduit of rage upgrades are easy to counter, and phantoms are no problem at all?
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> Yes thats what I am saying.
Interesting. I have to politely disagree, do you play ones?
Forge isn’t broken but op, and an equal opponent with Arby will not let you prevent his phantom build and harass you good and then he has the unkillable army. Forge has an extremely powerful leader that boosts all of his hogs which in an equal match up, wins against most leaders all the time. Can you fare well in one’s? I am sure you must have a lot of experience in one’s and two’s so you know that the leader differences multiply when playing ones.
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> Forge isn’t broken but op, and an equal opponent with Arby will not let you prevent his phantom build and harass you good and then he has the unkillable army. Forge has an extremely powerful leader that boosts all of his hogs which in an equal match up, wins against most leaders all the time. Can you fare well in one’s? I am sure you must have a lot of experience in one’s and two’s so you know that the leader differences multiply when playing ones.
I understand that exactly. Isabel is just as strong and DC Longshot, beat Savior in the Omega 1s Tourny.
And arby players didnt get to the semi finals. So ya know, you think forge is so strong but so is isabel. And decimus can win most long term games even against an arby. And kinsano can hold her ground strong enough in the early game to kill the forgehog. Whos wolves and infantry can stop arby when done right. And banished leaders with ghosts/choppers, brutes and engineers can push hard enough on any leader to delay whatever inevitability you think a leader may or may not have.
End of the day, back to the point, no leader is to strong or weak. What you seem to have failed to miss is each leader has strengths and weaknesses. And many players do the same thing all the time, and it can be countered.
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> > Forge isn’t broken but op, and an equal opponent with Arby will not let you prevent his phantom build and harass you good and then he has the unkillable army. Forge has an extremely powerful leader that boosts all of his hogs which in an equal match up, wins against most leaders all the time. Can you fare well in one’s? I am sure you must have a lot of experience in one’s and two’s so you know that the leader differences multiply when playing ones.
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> I understand that exactly. Isabel is just as strong and DC Longshot, beat Savior in the Omega 1s Tourny.
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> And arby players didnt get to the semi finals. So ya know, you think forge is so strong but so is isabel. And decimus can win most long term games even against an arby. And kinsano can hold her ground strong enough in the early game to kill the forgehog. Whos wolves and infantry can stop arby when done right. And banished leaders with ghosts/choppers, brutes and engineers can push hard enough on any leader to delay whatever inevitability you think a leader may or may not have.
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> End of the day, back to the point, no leader is to strong or weak. What you seem to have failed to miss is each leader has strengths and weaknesses. And many players do the same thing all the time, and it can be countered.
I must of completely failed to miss how perfectly balanced everything already is. I guess I still need to learn how to play the game correctly.
“Amazing. Every word of what you just said was wrong”-Luke Skywalker. No but seriously. I think it seems you are out of touch with whats really going on in the game here… Forge is undoubtedly broken. Yes pavium is broken. A few tweeks would fix him. And voridus isnt broken. Just reduce the goo time a bit and make the mind not give off goo. Just make his mine very strong. Anders retriever sentinel cant be a drop like it is. It needs to be unlockable and then buildable like the other sentinels. Being able to force ur opponent to fight hogs for 10 minutes 80 pop vs 80 pop and just when u start to kill them with all ur av or core vehicles in drops a sentinel to hard counter u. U cant prepare for it or u lose strait up to the hogs and if u dont the sentinel kills u. Arbiter phantoms with conduit 3 is an actual unkillable army… This post needs to be reevaluated. A lot of the best players are on twitch and a few on youtube. I suggest you go watch them a bit
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> > > Forge isn’t broken but op, and an equal opponent with Arby will not let you prevent his phantom build and harass you good and then he has the unkillable army. Forge has an extremely powerful leader that boosts all of his hogs which in an equal match up, wins against most leaders all the time. Can you fare well in one’s? I am sure you must have a lot of experience in one’s and two’s so you know that the leader differences multiply when playing ones.
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> > I understand that exactly. Isabel is just as strong and DC Longshot, beat Savior in the Omega 1s Tourny.
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> > And arby players didnt get to the semi finals. So ya know, you think forge is so strong but so is isabel. And decimus can win most long term games even against an arby. And kinsano can hold her ground strong enough in the early game to kill the forgehog. Whos wolves and infantry can stop arby when done right. And banished leaders with ghosts/choppers, brutes and engineers can push hard enough on any leader to delay whatever inevitability you think a leader may or may not have.
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> > End of the day, back to the point, no leader is to strong or weak. What you seem to have failed to miss is each leader has strengths and weaknesses. And many players do the same thing all the time, and it can be countered.
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> I must of completely failed to miss how perfectly balanced everything already is. I guess I still need to learn how to play the game correctly.
You must have missed where I said leaders are balanced its unit balancing thats left. Leaders and how their powers are with the exception of the 2 are balanced. Most leaders even now, can compete against each other even with how it is now. Thats what I am saying.
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> “Amazing. Every word of what you just said was wrong”-Luke Skywalker. No but seriously. I think it seems you are out of touch with whats really going on in the game here… Forge is undoubtedly broken. Yes pavium is broken. A few tweeks would fix him. And voridus isnt broken. Just reduce the goo time a bit and make the mind not give off goo. Just make his mine very strong. Anders retriever sentinel cant be a drop like it is. It needs to be unlockable and then buildable like the other sentinels. Being able to force ur opponent to fight hogs for 10 minutes 80 pop vs 80 pop and just when u start to kill them with all ur av or core vehicles in drops a sentinel to hard counter u. U cant prepare for it or u lose strait up to the hogs and if u dont the sentinel kills u. Arbiter phantoms with conduit 3 is an actual unkillable army… This post needs to be reevaluated. A lot of the best players are on twitch and a few on youtube. I suggest you go watch them a bit
If hate to be that guy who says git gud… but…
I’m a top tier player whos beaten many of the other top tier players. Its clear your not in touch with the game on a professional level, and therefore you, like others, feel one leader is stronger then another. Anders sentinal gets shredded with anti air. Thats not even an arguement. Any game played properly, you can compete regardless of leader for the most part.
Maybe play like a skilled player and build a mixed army comp to fight a full pop of something rather then fighting it knowing whats gonna end up happening?
Food for thought.
Edit: Top tier games show the true balancinng of the game. When you get there, you will understand.
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> > “Amazing. Every word of what you just said was wrong”-Luke Skywalker. No but seriously. I think it seems you are out of touch with whats really going on in the game here… Forge is undoubtedly broken. Yes pavium is broken. A few tweeks would fix him. And voridus isnt broken. Just reduce the goo time a bit and make the mind not give off goo. Just make his mine very strong. Anders retriever sentinel cant be a drop like it is. It needs to be unlockable and then buildable like the other sentinels. Being able to force ur opponent to fight hogs for 10 minutes 80 pop vs 80 pop and just when u start to kill them with all ur av or core vehicles in drops a sentinel to hard counter u. U cant prepare for it or u lose strait up to the hogs and if u dont the sentinel kills u. Arbiter phantoms with conduit 3 is an actual unkillable army… This post needs to be reevaluated. A lot of the best players are on twitch and a few on youtube. I suggest you go watch them a bit
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> If hate to be that guy who says git gud… but…
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> I’m a top tier player whos beaten many of the other top tier players. Its clear your not in touch with the game on a professional level, and therefore you, like others, feel one leader is stronger then another. Anders sentinal gets shredded with anti air. Thats not even an arguement. Any game played properly, you can compete regardless of leader for the most part.
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> Maybe play like a skilled player and build a mixed army comp to fight a full pop of something rather then fighting it knowing whats gonna end up happening?
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> Food for thought.
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> Edit: Top tier games show the true balancinng of the game. When you get there, you will understand.
Im not talking about my experience? I Sit on twitch all day and I watch the top players go at it. Im 100% sure I would beat u in a 1v1. I can tell by your attitude. Im referring to the good players on twitch. Not my own game play or knowledge here
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> > Forge isn’t broken but op, and an equal opponent with Arby will not let you prevent his phantom build and harass you good and then he has the unkillable army. Forge has an extremely powerful leader that boosts all of his hogs which in an equal match up, wins against most leaders all the time. Can you fare well in one’s? I am sure you must have a lot of experience in one’s and two’s so you know that the leader differences multiply when playing ones.
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> I understand that exactly. Isabel is just as strong and DC Longshot, beat Savior in the Omega 1s Tourny.
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> And arby players didnt get to the semi finals. So ya know, you think forge is so strong but so is isabel. And decimus can win most long term games even against an arby. And kinsano can hold her ground strong enough in the early game to kill the forgehog. Whos wolves and infantry can stop arby when done right. And banished leaders with ghosts/choppers, brutes and engineers can push hard enough on any leader to delay whatever inevitability you think a leader may or may not have.
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> End of the day, back to the point, no leader is to strong or weak. What you seem to have failed to miss is each leader has strengths and weaknesses. And many players do the same thing all the time, and it can be countered.
DC winning the 1s tourney as isabel doesn’t equate to isabel being on par with forge, or better than any other leader for that matter, and DC will tell you himself. Isabel is only good right now because hogs are OP/AV is UP against T2 vehicles, balance that and she goes back to being normal. At an equal skill level in 1v1 forge beats every other leader, that’s not balance. Once forgehog is adjusted and other units properly balanced, forge will likely be fine, but as of right now he dumps on every other leader.
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> > > Forge isn’t broken but op, and an equal opponent with Arby will not let you prevent his phantom build and harass you good and then he has the unkillable army. Forge has an extremely powerful leader that boosts all of his hogs which in an equal match up, wins against most leaders all the time. Can you fare well in one’s? I am sure you must have a lot of experience in one’s and two’s so you know that the leader differences multiply when playing ones.
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> > I understand that exactly. Isabel is just as strong and DC Longshot, beat Savior in the Omega 1s Tourny.
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> > And arby players didnt get to the semi finals. So ya know, you think forge is so strong but so is isabel. And decimus can win most long term games even against an arby. And kinsano can hold her ground strong enough in the early game to kill the forgehog. Whos wolves and infantry can stop arby when done right. And banished leaders with ghosts/choppers, brutes and engineers can push hard enough on any leader to delay whatever inevitability you think a leader may or may not have.
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> > End of the day, back to the point, no leader is to strong or weak. What you seem to have failed to miss is each leader has strengths and weaknesses. And many players do the same thing all the time, and it can be countered.
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> DC winning the 1s tourney as isabel doesn’t equate to isabel being on par with forge, or better than any other leader for that matter, and DC will tell you himself. Isabel is only good right now because hogs are OP/AV is UP against T2 vehicles, balance that and she goes back to being normal. At an equal skill level in 1v1 forge beats every other leader, that’s not balance. Once forgehog is adjusted and other units properly balanced, forge will likely be fine, but as of right now he dumps on every other leader.
Thats my point. The pnly things needing changing is unit balancing. Leaders are generally balanced. At an equal skill level? Forge does not beat every other leader as youve proven. DC beat out Savior the Goat/King of Reason, argueably one of the best 1s players, who right before the game states “nobody can beat my forge game” and dc played it better. No forgehog needed, no grizzlys needed. My point being, everything can be beaten. And its not all about hogs. Cyclops, nightingales, marines and hogs will likely beat out hogs from isabel. And certain leaders make that more or less likely.
again, its crazy how some leaders have strengths and weaknesses, and people fail to utilize that because they become reliant on the meta. Dont be reliant on the meta, yoda, myself, ripx and many others have proven proper diverse armys can win the game. Taking advantage of what someone does or is going to do, to your best ability will give you an edge no matter the leader when done properly.
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> > > > Forge isn’t broken but op, and an equal opponent with Arby will not let you prevent his phantom build and harass you good and then he has the unkillable army. Forge has an extremely powerful leader that boosts all of his hogs which in an equal match up, wins against most leaders all the time. Can you fare well in one’s? I am sure you must have a lot of experience in one’s and two’s so you know that the leader differences multiply when playing ones.
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> > > I understand that exactly. Isabel is just as strong and DC Longshot, beat Savior in the Omega 1s Tourny.
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> > > And arby players didnt get to the semi finals. So ya know, you think forge is so strong but so is isabel. And decimus can win most long term games even against an arby. And kinsano can hold her ground strong enough in the early game to kill the forgehog. Whos wolves and infantry can stop arby when done right. And banished leaders with ghosts/choppers, brutes and engineers can push hard enough on any leader to delay whatever inevitability you think a leader may or may not have.
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> > > End of the day, back to the point, no leader is to strong or weak. What you seem to have failed to miss is each leader has strengths and weaknesses. And many players do the same thing all the time, and it can be countered.
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> > DC winning the 1s tourney as isabel doesn’t equate to isabel being on par with forge, or better than any other leader for that matter, and DC will tell you himself. Isabel is only good right now because hogs are OP/AV is UP against T2 vehicles, balance that and she goes back to being normal. At an equal skill level in 1v1 forge beats every other leader, that’s not balance. Once forgehog is adjusted and other units properly balanced, forge will likely be fine, but as of right now he dumps on every other leader.
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> Thats my point. The pnly things needing changing is unit balancing. Leaders are generally balanced. At an equal skill level? Forge does not beat every other leader as youve proven. DC beat out Savior the Goat/King of Reason, argueably one of the best 1s players, who right before the game states “nobody can beat my forge game” and dc played it better. No forgehog needed, no grizzlys needed. My point being, everything can be beaten. And its not all about hogs. Cyclops, nightingales, marines and hogs will likely beat out hogs from isabel. And certain leaders make that more or less likely.
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> again, its crazy how some leaders have strengths and weaknesses, and people fail to utilize that because they become reliant on the meta. Dont be reliant on the meta, yoda, myself, ripx and many others have proven proper diverse armys can win the game. Taking advantage of what someone does or is going to do, to your best ability will give you an edge no matter the leader when done properly.
Would u mind giving me a 1v1? I would love a good game?
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> > > > > Forge isn’t broken but op, and an equal opponent with Arby will not let you prevent his phantom build and harass you good and then he has the unkillable army. Forge has an extremely powerful leader that boosts all of his hogs which in an equal match up, wins against most leaders all the time. Can you fare well in one’s? I am sure you must have a lot of experience in one’s and two’s so you know that the leader differences multiply when playing ones.
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> > > > I understand that exactly. Isabel is just as strong and DC Longshot, beat Savior in the Omega 1s Tourny.
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> > > > And arby players didnt get to the semi finals. So ya know, you think forge is so strong but so is isabel. And decimus can win most long term games even against an arby. And kinsano can hold her ground strong enough in the early game to kill the forgehog. Whos wolves and infantry can stop arby when done right. And banished leaders with ghosts/choppers, brutes and engineers can push hard enough on any leader to delay whatever inevitability you think a leader may or may not have.
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> > > > End of the day, back to the point, no leader is to strong or weak. What you seem to have failed to miss is each leader has strengths and weaknesses. And many players do the same thing all the time, and it can be countered.
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> > > DC winning the 1s tourney as isabel doesn’t equate to isabel being on par with forge, or better than any other leader for that matter, and DC will tell you himself. Isabel is only good right now because hogs are OP/AV is UP against T2 vehicles, balance that and she goes back to being normal. At an equal skill level in 1v1 forge beats every other leader, that’s not balance. Once forgehog is adjusted and other units properly balanced, forge will likely be fine, but as of right now he dumps on every other leader.
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> > Thats my point. The pnly things needing changing is unit balancing. Leaders are generally balanced. At an equal skill level? Forge does not beat every other leader as youve proven. DC beat out Savior the Goat/King of Reason, argueably one of the best 1s players, who right before the game states “nobody can beat my forge game” and dc played it better. No forgehog needed, no grizzlys needed. My point being, everything can be beaten. And its not all about hogs. Cyclops, nightingales, marines and hogs will likely beat out hogs from isabel. And certain leaders make that more or less likely.
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> > again, its crazy how some leaders have strengths and weaknesses, and people fail to utilize that because they become reliant on the meta. Dont be reliant on the meta, yoda, myself, ripx and many others have proven proper diverse armys can win the game. Taking advantage of what someone does or is going to do, to your best ability will give you an edge no matter the leader when done properly.
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> Would u mind giving me a 1v1? I would love a good game?
I would love to play 1v1 vs you so you can teach me how to play. You Kinsano, me forge. After all, it should be fair according to you, and you seem to be extremely experienced and one of the best players in the world? Could you teach me a trick or two in a peaceful game of 1s?
