Under what context is this whole Barbie Spartan thing?

Games Halo Infinite
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Sure, but visual direction and art design are important. I don’t blame people for caring, but I also think that some people want to play with the boundaries and push the limits of player expression, and I can appreciate that. A lot of people seem to be talking about adding a canon/non-canon toggle which only affects your own perspective. I think that’s a fine idea, but one which won’t be developed on since the flamboyant armors on other players exist in game as free advertising for the store. Just doesn’t make business sense.

Personally I think everything in game is fine as of now. Some things are a little out there but still maintain the art style and aesthetics of Halo. Cat ears on spartans are about as crazy as flaming helmets, katanas and ninja masks which were in Halo 3 and most people were fine with it.

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yep, i hate them too a lot, non halo and people who like them are as you told, i also notice people are losing braincells, like in mp if they are looking at you and staring at you they always shoot you, that is not friendly while in gears of war if they stare at you they are friendly, people now are so wrong and dumb and have only 1 braincell, and those buy cat ears and trash anti halo cosmetics without even thinking about it, mindless zombies. they are wrong and dumb. those who do have common sense and mentality i usually find on the classic good games.
i think they know modern games are brainwashed cash grab machines and have the smart mentality to stick to the good real games , and so am i.

then there are a lot crap items such as that meownjir charm, there is even a new bot of it.

i missed halo 5 so when i came here charms were new to me, there were not many skins/coating yet, but as more and more appear, some look maybe good, but a lot especially the charms and anti halo cores like that samurai which i also hate and didnt play that event look bad.

i have just one thing in mind, at the description of those anti halo cosmetics are written, weared by ( this and that team and moment ) in the fight against ( this and that ), but… I NEVER HAVE SEEN in the campaigns spartan soldiers wearing those goofy crap items, dare to see a yokai armor soldier in a campaign or a spartan in a campaign story wearing those goofy stuff. never seen it.

i temporary weared that rakshaka armor because of a coating i liked but then i felt i wasnt a spartan anymore and looking at my teammates wearing mark v or vii i tought, hm nooo i switch back too to my original true spartan core so i play as a spartan again.

as more goofy items appear and i feel it when im running in live fire i feel more im carrying a barbie princess glitter dress with me.

and a new item term :slight_smile:
OUR WEAPONS ARE PRINCESS WANDS!!

when im running with it it feels im carrying a princess wand with all the if someone has attached weird cosmetics to it, glittery princess wand staff. and kill effects? the magic that comes out of the fairy wand staff.

i like the catalyst map but i hope future maps wont become Princess castles!!

but what i would like if new maps come, there should be smashable objects like bottles in bazaar , its fun to shoot them off the racks, and boxes or like the fruit in bazaar

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From what I can remember, the term has been used for more than the last decade. “Playing Barbie Dress Up Princess” or the like, stemmed from a Barbie game that released in the late 2000’s/early 2010’s. As to insult anyone that was deemed to have spent too much time/money (read “useless” DLC) on their in-game appearance. It was applied in online trash talking sessions with or at the opposing teams. Basically just a regular toxic comment among all the other ones.

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Plenty of people? No.

That’s hyperbole.

Ninja helmets, aren’t just cloth their inspired by designs or what have you. The vehicles, everything in Halo follows a general ‘rule of cool’ and even quote on quote silly helmets like for example Security in Halo 3 actually looks like something practical.

Cat Ears are not cool, nobody or nearly nobody bought them because they’re a really cool armour piece. It’s because they are cat ears, furries and various other quirky people love headsets with them, whatever. Great.

If 343 added a rainbow sludge gun that could slow enemies tomorrow and you could argue that it might have a fictional reason to belong in a fictional universe.

That’s the thing, it’s fiction. Saying ‘oh well it might’ is irrelevant because you could do that with anything.

Cat Ears don’t belong in a fictional military, not one that’s taken seriously within that fiction by it’s fans or writers. There’s no debate here.

The cat ears aren’t canon.

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What exactly makes them non canon though?

I believe there is a debate, and you actually set the precedence for it with this:

Hayabusa is clearly ‘ninja’ and even samurai inspired (it’s really a crossover from Ninja Gaiden, but for generalization’s sake let’s stick to the basic concepts), but grafts the motifs of the concept into Halo within Halo’s art style ‘rules’ so to speak.

Purrfect Audio is clearly meant to look like cat ears, but rather than simply copy past fuzzy ears (much like simply not using “cloth” for Hayabusa”) the designers grafted the motif of cat ears into the Halo art style rules to make them an extension of the helmet rather than a contrast.

Hayabusa actively enables Purrfect Audio.

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Anyone who argues that Hayabusa is canon is just as bad as people arguing that cat ears are canon, just saying.

I’m just gonna go ahead and say: If it appears in an in-game cutscene, fine I’ll consider it canon.
If 343 wants to make anything canon, say cat ears, put them on a Spartan in an in-game cutscene. Like Campaign In-game cutscene. If not, I’m just gonna brush it off as “not really canon, but there just for cosmetic reasons”

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The name alone “Purrfect Audio” lets you know its a joke.

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It’s sexist framing because it references a [historically/traditionally] girl’s toy to make a point when dressing up, frivolity and utilitarianism are not gendered things.

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It isn’t hyperbole, they take away the cat ears, someone’s gonna start flipping tables on here.

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I seriously considered buying them just because they look cool on Anubis. Seriously, go look at Anubis with cat ears.

I don’t have the cat ears. I used it as an example, besides, the cat ears look like doodoo on Firefall. The placement is just wrong.

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They look like complete -Yoink!- to me on every helmet.

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Nobody is saying take away the cat ears. Nobody. Just add a toggle so people can choose whether to see the silly stuff.

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Well, don’t want to be that person but…
It kinda is. As far as I know, Grifball is considered to be legitimate canon, as in, Spartans actually use Grifball for training (I guess). Therefore, the golf club is canon. (If grifball isn’t canon, just ignore this).

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To some, it is taking away the cat ears. Especially when you say a large group of people want them gone.

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You don’t use the golf club in grifball. Also I have no idea if it is canon.

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Oh yeah, you don’t. Alright, disregard that.

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That screams narcissism to me. If you’re going into a BTB match wondering how many of the 24 people can see your cat ears then honestly I feel bad for you and don’t consider that a valid reason.

You being general, not specific.

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I have never paid attention to anyone’s cosmetics in-game - just at the start and end of matches.

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I think that it is important to make a distinction between people who don’t like those cosmetics and insult others for enjoying them, and people who simply don’t like those cosmetics and don’t want to see them.

To each their own, I think everyone should be able to play Halo as they want. If you want to express yourself in a less logically canonical way, that’s awesome, and I’m not opposed to there being options like that (although I would rather that 343 focus on more meaningful content.)

At the same time, I think that people like myself who play Halo for the universe, should be able to protect that and play the game without immersion-breaking cosmetics. Without this option, I simply haven’t been playing MP. Without a decent campaign, I’m just not playing at all very much… but that’s a problem for a different thread :stuck_out_tongue:

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I feel like it is more complicated than that. Yes, objectively, you are right that 343 determines canon.

Personally I really don’t believe in our copyright laws as is, and I don’t think 343 has earned the right to determine what is or isn’t canon. Its like Star Wars… Disney hasn’t earned the right to declare the EU non-canon.

I know that is a subjective and complicated thing, but maybe it is some insight into the mindset some of us have about cosmetics. Like sure, the cat ears have some canon explanation, but they are obviously a joke, and for people who take Halo seriously, they don’t fit in.