Under 343 halo has been thriving artistically

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Everything has been improved under 343i from the sound design, mocap, artstyle, gameplay, weapon balance, animations, to the writing/dialogue. Bungie disgraced itself with that abomination Destiny. Halo reach was okay but it ignored TFOR. Bungie never lived up to the level that they achieved with halo 1 and 2. 343 has come close with halo 4 and 5. For halo 6 to be even greater 343i needs to ignore the fanbase in certain instances. For example, the one thing that made the Halo 4 story great was that they did not make it cheap fanservice. The creative process needs to be un-touched by fans. As far as MP goes the community has some good input but overbalancing is a problem.

Halo 4/5 are two of the most beautiful games to ever exist and the artstyle is unmatched by most games. I have been a halo fan since ce but halo 4/5 are the prettiest halo games by far. Requiem, genesis, Thel, mk vi, Locke, meridian, blue team, sangheilios are all gorgeous.

Edit: I have been a fan since CE

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I have an issue with the art style and writing.

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> I have an issue with the art style and writing.

It has been much better than the generic bungie writing. Halo 4 has the best writing in the series and this is not even up for debate. Halo 5 still had better writing than every bungie game. 343i finally gave 117 some character, they acknowledged the nylund novels, they portrayed a nuanced and multidimensional story.

The artstyle is vastly superior to the generic/cartoony halo 3. Halo finally looks unique under 343. You cannot actually see requiem and the beautiful blue team and say that you have an issue. Take off the nostalgia glasses.

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> > I have an issue with the art style and writing.
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> It has been much better than the generic bungie writing. Halo 4 has the best writing in the series and this is not even up for debate. Halo 5 still had better writing than every bungie game. 343i finally gave 117 some character, they acknowledged the nylund novels, they portrayed a nuanced and multidimensional story.
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> The artstyle is vastly superior to the generic/cartoony halo 3. Halo finally looks unique under 343. You cannot actually see requiem and the beautiful blue team and say that you have an issue. Take off the nostalgia glasses.

Halo 5 did not have better writing than Bungie. It is by far the worst campaign in the history of Halo.

The art style of 5 is too colorful. I want my Halo game to be gritty like reach, ODST and HCe Anniversary. I’m not wearing nostalgia glasses thank you very much.

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[If Halo under the direction of 343 has been so good explain to me why there are so many criticism videos? ](http://If Halo under the direction of 343 has been so good explain to me why there are so many criticism videos?)

Also Bonnie Ross acknowledged their -Yoink- up removing split screen and the lack of Chief in Halo 5.

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> If Halo under the direction of 343 has been so good explain to me why there are so many criticism videos?
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> Also Bonnie Ross acknowledged their -Yoink- up removing split screen.

Anybody can make a youtube video and outrage gets views. Halo 5 hat is manufactured by upset bungie purists.

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> > > I have an issue with the art style and writing.
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> > It has been much better than the generic bungie writing. Halo 4 has the best writing in the series and this is not even up for debate. Halo 5 still had better writing than every bungie game. 343i finally gave 117 some character, they acknowledged the nylund novels, they portrayed a nuanced and multidimensional story.
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> > The artstyle is vastly superior to the generic/cartoony halo 3. Halo finally looks unique under 343. You cannot actually see requiem and the beautiful blue team and say that you have an issue. Take off the nostalgia glasses.
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> Halo 5 did not have better writing than Bungie. It is by far the worst campaign in the history of Halo.
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> The art style of 5 is too colorful. I want my Halo game to be gritty like reach, ODST and HCe Anniversary. I’m not wearing nostalgia glasses thank you very much.

Yes it did, halo 3 had the worst dialogue in the series and the plot was terrible. Halo 5 has the best campaign gameplay in the series and this is not even arguable.

Meridian/sunaion was very gritty and odst was not gritty at all.

Take out your nostalgia contacts.

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> > If Halo under the direction of 343 has been so good explain to me why there are so many criticism videos?
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> > Also Bonnie Ross acknowledged their -Yoink- up removing split screen.
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> Anybody can make a youtube video and outrage gets views. Halo 5 hat is manufactured by upset bungie purists.

It has been covered by the legendary actman, he’s a saint dear sir. LNG too has criticsed the game. Both of which were invited by Grim, to HQ, they have acknowledged their videos. Respect the view of the wider Halo community. We don’t like the direction of Halo, 343 sees this and are changing their own ways, showing us they -Yoinked!- up.

Link to IGN post on Halo 5 issue.

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> > > > I have an issue with the art style and writing.
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> > > It has been much better than the generic bungie writing. Halo 4 has the best writing in the series and this is not even up for debate. Halo 5 still had better writing than every bungie game. 343i finally gave 117 some character, they acknowledged the nylund novels, they portrayed a nuanced and multidimensional story.
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> > > The artstyle is vastly superior to the generic/cartoony halo 3. Halo finally looks unique under 343. You cannot actually see requiem and the beautiful blue team and say that you have an issue. Take off the nostalgia glasses.
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> > Halo 5 did not have better writing than Bungie. It is by far the worst campaign in the history of Halo.
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> > The art style of 5 is too colorful. I want my Halo game to be gritty like reach, ODST and HCe Anniversary. I’m not wearing nostalgia glasses thank you very much.
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> Yes it did, halo 3 had the worst dialogue in the series and the plot was terrible. Halo 5 has the best campaign gameplay in the series and this is not even arguable.
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> Meridian/sunaion was very gritty and odst was not gritty at all.
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> Take out your nostalgia contacts.

What do you mean the plot was terrible. It finished off the saga. I think it is you who has a sole hatred for Buingie’s work.

‘Halo 5 has the best campaign gameplay in the series and this is not even arguable.’ - Oh yes it is.

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> > > I have an issue with the art style and writing.
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> > It has been much better than the generic bungie writing. Halo 4 has the best writing in the series and this is not even up for debate. Halo 5 still had better writing than every bungie game. 343i finally gave 117 some character, they acknowledged the nylund novels, they portrayed a nuanced and multidimensional story.
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> > The artstyle is vastly superior to the generic/cartoony halo 3. Halo finally looks unique under 343. You cannot actually see requiem and the beautiful blue team and say that you have an issue. Take off the nostalgia glasses.
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> Halo 5 did not have better writing than Bungie. It is by far the worst campaign in the history of Halo.
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> The art style of 5 is too colorful. I want my Halo game to be gritty like reach, ODST and HCe Anniversary. I’m not wearing nostalgia glasses thank you very much.

Same I prefer the old art style too

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While generally a mixed bag, the presence of the old armors and helmets in Halo 5 is proof that old and new can co-exist flawlessly.

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> While generally a mixed bag, the presence of the old armors and helmets in Halo 5 is proof that old and new can co-exist flawlessly.

True, though it took a while for them to be introduced.

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> > While generally a mixed bag, the presence of the old armors and helmets in Halo 5 is proof that old and new can co-exist flawlessly.
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> True, though it took a while for them to be introduced.

Indeed; I really hope that we get to see more old stuff coming back. Besides a more comprehensive customization system (which needs to add battle damage), it would be nice to see the following make a return:

  • Rogue GEN1 - GUNGNIR GEN1 - HAZOP GEN1 (and perhaps GEN2?) - ODST
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> > > While generally a mixed bag, the presence of the old armors and helmets in Halo 5 is proof that old and new can co-exist flawlessly.
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> > True, though it took a while for them to be introduced.
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> Indeed; I really hope that we get to see more old stuff coming back. Besides a more comprehensive customization system (which needs to add battle damage), it would be nice to see the following make a return:
> - Rogue GEN1 - GUNGNIR GEN1 - HAZOP GEN1 (and perhaps GEN2?) - ODST

Battle damage would be sick.

And the armours, I would appreciate all of them.

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> > > > I have an issue with the art style and writing.
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> > > It has been much better than the generic bungie writing. Halo 4 has the best writing in the series and this is not even up for debate. Halo 5 still had better writing than every bungie game. 343i finally gave 117 some character, they acknowledged the nylund novels, they portrayed a nuanced and multidimensional story.
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> > > The artstyle is vastly superior to the generic/cartoony halo 3. Halo finally looks unique under 343. You cannot actually see requiem and the beautiful blue team and say that you have an issue. Take off the nostalgia glasses.
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> > Halo 5 did not have better writing than Bungie. It is by far the worst campaign in the history of Halo.
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> > The art style of 5 is too colorful. I want my Halo game to be gritty like reach, ODST and HCe Anniversary. I’m not wearing nostalgia glasses thank you very much.
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> Yes it did, halo 3 had the worst dialogue in the series and the plot was terrible. Halo 5 has the best campaign gameplay in the series and this is not even arguable.
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> Meridian/sunaion was very gritty and odst was not gritty at all.
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> Take out your nostalgia contacts.

While everyone’s opinion varies (as I can clearly see between the two of you) my opinion lies in the middle-ground.

Halo 5’s writing was pretty terrible. Let me explain why I think so:

In Halo 5, 343 added a very terrible character (Locke) in an attempt to pave the way for Chief to die and let Locke take the torch. Fanbase didn’t take that too well and now there’s a different plot change for Halo 6 than 343 was probably planning. just a guess, but a pretty good one.

Another problem with Halo 5 was the amount of filler in the campaign. For instance, killing Jul 'Mdama was pretty terribly executed. He was dead after about 15 minutes of playing the game, which resulted in that portion being nothing but filler. 343 wanted to get Halsey back and continue with the story so fast that they killed Jul with the snap of their fingers. Well…there was story opportunities with Jul that 343 clearly did not see.

And whatever happened to 343’s plans with the artifact??? The one that lead to “Ships, weapons, bounties beyond our imagining” in Spartan Ops? 343 had some really good opportunities for the story, and they kind of just dropped that where it was…it’s a real shame, too. If I were a 343 game developer, I would’ve made Chief search out Halsey and rescue her while imprisoning Jul for navigation and translation or whatever purposes (with a fight your way to the terminal sort of scenario) Then attempting to find the secret forerunner loot/stuff. (make them be dropped into the hotzone like ODSTs, similar to Chief in Halo 2) If they had done that, they could’ve incorporated Liang Dortmund as the one who wants to activate the guardians and using The Warden eternal as the one who believes AI’s are the rightful owners of the mantle, etc. (Chief would have to explore and investigate Liang like Osiris did) THEN, Chief would call in Blue team to do some more shooting/ whatever. If I had more time to spare, I would make this have a little more sustenance…It would be more gritty, they would eventually kill 'Mdama in his cell (which would be very gritty).

Now Multiplayer:
I really enjoyed H5’s multiplayer. The maps were well designed, gameplay fast and fun, just overall enjoyable for me. I had no problems whatsoever with the multiplayer. I loved it.

Artstyle:
I personally love H5’s artstyle. It makes the game look very futuristic, whereas Halo 3 for instance doesn’t seem like it would be 500 years in the future. Everything on Halo 5 is very futuristic, has lots of details, and looks like their tech would only appear in the distant future.

Those are my thoughts.

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Art style = old, by far
Story = Mixed (H4 good, H5 bad)
MM = H5 is great

I like old and new Halo.

Hoping Halo 6 can hit a home run with MM (expected with H5 base) and campaign (more wishful thinking, but Halo 4 story was captivating, so 343 is capable).

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I don’t consider myself (or at least I don’t WANT to be) a rabid 343 hater/Bungie fanboy.

That said, I do not, in general, care for the way they took almost every aspect of how Halo looked, sounded, played, and even told stories, and changed everything just to add their own spin on it.

As a couple of others have said, I could live with 343’s art styles co-existing side by side with the older ones, that would please me.

Halo 4 had a very good, very strong story. Halo 5’s story was a dumpster fire.

Their multiplayers, on the other hand, are the opposite.

As J Teeps said, it’s actually possible that Halo 6 could be awesome, it could be GOTY material if they learn all the lessons they need to learn from the last two installments and they:

A. Have a story back on par with Halo 4,
B. Reintroduce some of the old art styles side by side with the new ones, and
C. Keep the multiplayer as good as Halo 5.

I am not rooting for 343 to fail, I want them to succeed.

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> > > I have an issue with the art style and writing.
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> > It has been much better than the generic bungie writing. Halo 4 has the best writing in the series and this is not even up for debate. Halo 5 still had better writing than every bungie game. 343i finally gave 117 some character, they acknowledged the nylund novels, they portrayed a nuanced and multidimensional story.
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> > The artstyle is vastly superior to the generic/cartoony halo 3. Halo finally looks unique under 343. You cannot actually see requiem and the beautiful blue team and say that you have an issue. Take off the nostalgia glasses.
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> Halo 5 did not have better writing than Bungie. It is by far the worst campaign in the history of Halo.
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> The art style of 5 is too colorful. I want my Halo game to be gritty like reach, ODST and HCe Anniversary. I’m not wearing nostalgia glasses thank you very much.

Correction the worst writing in halo was halo 1-3 reach and ODST did have better writing than halo 5 and people play video games to be happy and to calm them down not be depressed when they pull up halo 3 title screen halo 5 is best gameplay wise too

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> > > If Halo under the direction of 343 has been so good explain to me why there are so many criticism videos?
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> > > Also Bonnie Ross acknowledged their -Yoink- up removing split screen.
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> > Anybody can make a youtube video and outrage gets views. Halo 5 hat is manufactured by upset bungie purists.
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> It has been covered by the legendary actman, he’s a saint dear sir. LNG too has criticsed the game. Both of which were invited by Grim, to HQ, they have acknowledged their videos. Respect the view of the wider Halo community. We don’t like the direction of Halo, 343 sees this and are changing their own ways, showing us they -Yoinked!- up.
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> Link to IGN post on Halo 5 issue.

We just got to accept that not every game is going to be amazing just like how not every Star Wars movie is amazing. They’re all good just some suck a lot more than others.

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Halo is -Yoinking!- crap 3fail3.