Ultimate Units not so 'Ultimate'

So Ultimate Units… They seem like a huge threat when fighting them with non-counter units. But Cyclops and Hunters destroy Scarabs super quick and Wolverines, Reavers, and Anti-Air turrets dominate the Condor and Retriever Sentinel. Not to mention upgraded Banshees dominate the Condor and Retriever with their plasma torpedoes and are faster overall. And the Scarab is susceptible to air attacks (especially Anders’ Sentinel Beacon paired with Kodiaks which is complete and utter bs). So why bother? They have severe weaknesses and are too slow to evade out of a fight. But here’s the thing, the Scarab is not affected by the Vehicle Upgrades and the Condor/Retriever is not affected by Air Upgrades. So if they aren’t affected by the upgrade, that makes them inherently weaker units that are both costly in both resources and population, and take longer to build. I don’t care if they take longer to build or more resources as long as they don’t have these massive weaknesses. And that’s what they are, massive weaknesses. These are supposed to be trump cards. Ultimate, final units. Something that should be difficult to build and difficult to fight.

people use ultimate units wrong. it’s not something you throw in there to decimate the enemy army. you have to support them to get the full effect. don’t send a scarab after a full army of hunters, instead pull the scarab back and have it attack something else.

Retriever needs a buff. Condor/scarab is fine.

> 2533274802952614;2:
> people use ultimate units wrong. it’s not something you throw in there to decimate the enemy army. you have to support them to get the full effect. don’t send a scarab after a full army of hunters, instead pull the scarab back and have it attack something else.

That’s the problem though. You don’t need a army of hunters to take down a Scarab. 7-10 Hunters is enough to significantly damage a Scarab. These units as is aren’t worth their cost and population with their kinds of weaknesses. By having one unit with a pop. of 40 that is countered by Sentinels, Kodiaks, Banshees, Vultures, Hornets, Hunters, Cyclops… That’s a lot. Now the Scarab is more balanced than the Condor and Retriever. Condors and Retrievers are countered by Banshees, Hornets, Grizzlies (their volley), Wolverines, Reavers, and Scarabs. And while the UNSC Ultimate Units have less counters, they are far weaker in health when being shot by rockets. 5-7 Reavers can easily kill a Retriever or a Condor and it’s extremely difficult to outrun them as well. And I don’t mind the Retriever being weaker than a Condor. Anders has enough OP things in her arsenal. The fact that she can call in an Ultimate Unit at will that has little wait time and costs less than the other Ultimate Units, is a bit unfair.