With the supposed “leak” a large number of hardcore fans have been turned off from Halo 4. I’m here to let you know, regardless if the leak is true or not, default Halo 4 is going to be catered to the casual player who picks up the game, plays it for a few months, then picks up the newest CoD game and leaves H4 on the shelf. The video game industry is becoming increasingly more casual and at the end of the day, 343’s goal is to make as large a profit as possible, not to cater the game to the fans who have been around since the beginning.
As harsh a reality as that may be, the title of my thread is the solution. Customization is the saving grace for the competitive community. As long as the option to turn off all the fluff and randomness added to allow any casual to not get blown out the water by semi-dedicated players, competitive Halo will thrive. While this isn’t the best case scenario by any means, it’s better than nothing.
I’ve moved through pretty much every rung on the ladder in the halo hierarchy. From a complete casual/noob in Halo 2, to a hardcore default player in Halo 3, and finally to a top-tier Reach player, I’ve had to come to terms with the fact that default Halo will not be competitive. Anyone who truly wants to experience competitive Halo is going to have to jump ship to MLG, and leave default behind.
If you plan on playing halo competitively, you’re going to have to put your faith in the guys at MLG like Killa KC to put forth settings which offer consistent, skill-based gameplay, because you’re not going to get it from 343. So instead of freaking out over some features like AAs, random weapon spawns, etc., just push for the option to turn them off. Halo has always been about everyone having the option to play the game he/she wants to, and I doubt 343 is going to change that.
I think most people who are going to make the switch already did with Reach. I’m not that worried because 343 did a solid job with the title update, so I’m expecting enough customization to make the game competitive.
> I think most people who are going to make the switch already did with Reach. I’m not that worried because 343 did a solid job with the title update, so I’m expecting enough customization to make the game competitive.
The TU gives me confidence as well. That’s a great point.
Get your facts straight. A good “casual” can always beat a bad competitive player. A non-competitive player doesn’t care about the outcome of the match.
> Casual players =/= Non-competitive players
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> Get your facts straight. A good “casual” can always beat a bad competitive player. A non-competitive player doesn’t care about the outcome of the match.
Not even close to true. A casual is someone who buys the game, and plays it for a month or so, and then gets the newest thing out there. If you’re still playing Halo you’re not a casual. If you’re on this forum, or any halo forum for that matter, you’re not a casual.
There is no saving grace for this game competitively if all this BS is in fact true. I am literally quitting all console FPS, selling my xbox 360, and going back to being a PC exclusive gamer if this is true because Arena FPS and competitive console FPS will be dead. Props to Activison and CoD, for storming the FPS genre, ripping its soul out and all of its uniqueness, and making the FPS genre its -Yoink-.
Considering MLG has always had to tweak every Halo title to get settings to their liking, the point could be made that NO Halo was ever competitive out of the box. Some just took less work then others. But that is one of Halo’s more endearing qualities, you can cringe at what you get out of the box, but at least you can tweak settings until you are blue in the face.
> > Casual players =/= Non-competitive players
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> > Get your facts straight. A good “casual” can always beat a bad competitive player. A non-competitive player doesn’t care about the outcome of the match.
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> Not even close to true. A casual is someone who buys the game, and plays it for a month or so, and then gets the newest thing out there. If you’re still playing Halo you’re not a casual. If you’re on this forum, or any halo forum for that matter, you’re not a casual.
I am a casual through and through, i have played every halo since the beginning. I played five minutes of a call of duty game, so long ago i dont remember the name, whatever one is where you storm the beaches of normandy. Then i went back to playing halo.
I dont care about winning, k/d, which utility weapon i am good with, shoot half the time i dont care if i am shooting the right team. If i can get a few good clips in a days time, thats where i have fun. Build some cool or sillyass maps, blow stuff up in firefight or watch some shenannigans in theatre. I live in the real world, morgages and bills superceed competitive playing, that died 18 years ago. What i am is dedicated to the franchise.
> Considering MLG has always had to tweak every Halo title to get settings to their liking, the point could be made that NO Halo was ever competitive out of the box. Some just took less work then others. But that is one of Halo’s more endearing qualities, you can cringe at what you get out of the box, but at least you can tweak settings until you are blue in the face.
> > > Casual players =/= Non-competitive players
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> > > Get your facts straight. A good “casual” can always beat a bad competitive player. A non-competitive player doesn’t care about the outcome of the match.
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> > Not even close to true. A casual is someone who buys the game, and plays it for a month or so, and then gets the newest thing out there. If you’re still playing Halo you’re not a casual. If you’re on this forum, or any halo forum for that matter, you’re not a casual.
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> I am a casual through and through, i have played every halo since the beginning. I played five minutes of a call of duty game, so long ago i dont remember the name, whatever one is where you storm the beaches of normandy. Then i went back to playing halo.
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> I dont care about winning, k/d, which utility weapon i am good with, shoot half the time i dont care if i am shooting the right team. If i can get a few good clips in a days time, thats where i have fun. Build some cool or sillyass maps, blow stuff up in firefight or watch some shenannigans in theatre. I live in the real world, morgages and bills superceed competitive playing, that died 18 years ago. What i am is dedicated to the franchise.
That would make you a fanboy, not a casual. And I mean that in the nicest way possible, seeing as I am a halo fanboy as well.
Just because you’re not a casual does not mean you are a competitive player.
I agree with nearly everything in the OP, especially the customization and “turning the fluff off” if I may paraphrase. What I am worried about is being confined to one or two playlists like in reach. Giving the developer license to appeal to the more casual players should not be grounds to trap the competitive ones in only one or two playlists with settings that appeal to them.
All in all great post though, if this leak is legitimate, H4 better have some slick customization.
> > > > Casual players =/= Non-competitive players
> > > >
> > > > Get your facts straight. A good “casual” can always beat a bad competitive player. A non-competitive player doesn’t care about the outcome of the match.
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> > > Not even close to true. A casual is someone who buys the game, and plays it for a month or so, and then gets the newest thing out there. If you’re still playing Halo you’re not a casual. If you’re on this forum, or any halo forum for that matter, you’re not a casual.
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> > I am a casual through and through, i have played every halo since the beginning. I played five minutes of a call of duty game, so long ago i dont remember the name, whatever one is where you storm the beaches of normandy. Then i went back to playing halo.
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> > I dont care about winning, k/d, which utility weapon i am good with, shoot half the time i dont care if i am shooting the right team. If i can get a few good clips in a days time, thats where i have fun. Build some cool or sillyass maps, blow stuff up in firefight or watch some shenannigans in theatre. I live in the real world, morgages and bills superceed competitive playing, that died 18 years ago. What i am is dedicated to the franchise.
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> That would make you a fanboy, not a casual. And I mean that in the nicest way possible, seeing as I am a halo fanboy as well.
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> Just because you’re not a casual does not mean you are a competitive player.
Well if thats the case, i would prefer manfan or fanman.
> > Considering MLG has always had to tweak every Halo title to get settings to their liking, the point could be made that NO Halo was ever competitive out of the box. Some just took less work then others. But that is one of Halo’s more endearing qualities, you can cringe at what you get out of the box, but at least you can tweak settings until you are blue in the face.
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> There were no major changes made to CE or Halo 2.
The only things not changed to my knowledge were the damage and speed settings, because you cannot change those. Halved spawn timers on weapons, no radar, no suicide penalty, BR starts with no secondary, wasn’t it? However, any change that warrants it’s own gametype/playlist/special rules, can no longer call itself default.
> > > > > Casual players =/= Non-competitive players
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> > > > > Get your facts straight. A good “casual” can always beat a bad competitive player. A non-competitive player doesn’t care about the outcome of the match.
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> > > > Not even close to true. A casual is someone who buys the game, and plays it for a month or so, and then gets the newest thing out there. If you’re still playing Halo you’re not a casual. If you’re on this forum, or any halo forum for that matter, you’re not a casual.
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> > > I am a casual through and through, i have played every halo since the beginning. I played five minutes of a call of duty game, so long ago i dont remember the name, whatever one is where you storm the beaches of normandy. Then i went back to playing halo.
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> > > I dont care about winning, k/d, which utility weapon i am good with, shoot half the time i dont care if i am shooting the right team. If i can get a few good clips in a days time, thats where i have fun. Build some cool or sillyass maps, blow stuff up in firefight or watch some shenannigans in theatre. I live in the real world, morgages and bills superceed competitive playing, that died 18 years ago. What i am is dedicated to the franchise.
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> > That would make you a fanboy, not a casual. And I mean that in the nicest way possible, seeing as I am a halo fanboy as well.
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> > Just because you’re not a casual does not mean you are a competitive player.
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> Well if thats the case, i would prefer manfan or fanman.
> > > Considering MLG has always had to tweak every Halo title to get settings to their liking, the point could be made that NO Halo was ever competitive out of the box. Some just took less work then others. But that is one of Halo’s more endearing qualities, you can cringe at what you get out of the box, but at least you can tweak settings until you are blue in the face.
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> > There were no major changes made to CE or Halo 2.
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> The only things not changed to my knowledge were the damage and speed settings, because you cannot change those. Halved spawn timers on weapons, no radar, no suicide penalty, BR starts with no secondary, wasn’t it? However, any change that warrants it’s own gametype/playlist/special rules, can no longer call itself default.
I was leaning more towards the change in maps (or lack thereof), but you’re right.
> > > > > > Casual players =/= Non-competitive players
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Get your facts straight. A good “casual” can always beat a bad competitive player. A non-competitive player doesn’t care about the outcome of the match.
> > > > >
> > > > > Not even close to true. A casual is someone who buys the game, and plays it for a month or so, and then gets the newest thing out there. If you’re still playing Halo you’re not a casual. If you’re on this forum, or any halo forum for that matter, you’re not a casual.
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> > > > I am a casual through and through, i have played every halo since the beginning. I played five minutes of a call of duty game, so long ago i dont remember the name, whatever one is where you storm the beaches of normandy. Then i went back to playing halo.
> > > >
> > > > I dont care about winning, k/d, which utility weapon i am good with, shoot half the time i dont care if i am shooting the right team. If i can get a few good clips in a days time, thats where i have fun. Build some cool or sillyass maps, blow stuff up in firefight or watch some shenannigans in theatre. I live in the real world, morgages and bills superceed competitive playing, that died 18 years ago. What i am is dedicated to the franchise.
> > >
> > > That would make you a fanboy, not a casual. And I mean that in the nicest way possible, seeing as I am a halo fanboy as well.
> > >
> > > Just because you’re not a casual does not mean you are a competitive player.
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> > Well if thats the case, i would prefer manfan or fanman.
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> Fanman it is!
I could care less about what you guys think. This sounds like a great game. When it comes to playlists most people only like one or 2 anyways so dont say “confined to one or 2 that we like”. Hell i only play SWAT and team snipers since halo 3 all the other ones where too slow. Perhaps the changes will make me enjoy 3 or 5 but that is well unlikely.