Now with the Ancient Evil yet unknown, who do you think it will be? I personally think it will be the Precursors, which brings me to my next question. Do you believe that the Precursors created the Flood, or they are one in the same? Me, I think that the Timeless One was only a Gravemind, not a Precursor, and that the Precursors WILL return. This is just my take what do you think?
In truth, I think that the Precursors created the Flood in order to test those that are worthy of the Mantle. When the Forerunners rebelled against the Precursors for not choosing them as their successors, the Precursors merged with the Flood in in order to become stronger. Though they retained their normal appearance, they achieved a status even higher than a normal Gravemind. In this way, the Precursors can individually control the Flood and Lesser Graveminds. When the Precursors were defeated, a sustainable population left the Milky Way and took refuge in a nearby Galaxy. Once they had created more Flood, they sent them to attack and obliterate the Forerunners. The Timeless One may have been insane at this point, I don’t really think that having all the species assimilated into the Flood was truly the Precursors goal at all. After the firing of the Halo Array the reseeding of the Galaxy, and the apparent extinction of the Forerunners(currently debated), the Precursors decided that they would return in 100,000 years to test Humanity again to ensure that they were still worthy of upholding the Mantle as the Forerunners eventually believed they could.
i also have a hunch that the timeless one is gravemind
i do hope that the ancient evil is the flood and not the precursors. i further hope that the precursors did not create the flood, but were their victims.
i’d like the Flood to remain an extra-galactic threat, too old to offer explanations for their existance or origin. a mysterious, galaxy-devouring alpha predator, that’s what the flood should be. pure fear.
> i do hope that the ancient evil is the flood and not the precursors. i further hope that the precursors did not create the flood, but were their victims.
> i’d like the Flood to remain an extra-galactic threat, too old to offer explanations for their existance or origin. a mysterious, galaxy-devouring alpha predator, that’s what the flood should be. pure fear.
I see your point, but i’m going to have to disagree. Think about it. We fought the Flood throughout the Original Trilogy. There is no way, they could be the Ancient Evil. The Ancient Evil is something new. And as the latest novels have pretty much stated(spoilers ahead), the Precursors created the Flood and willingly assimilated with them and became Advanced Graveminds. The Precursors are as evil as its going to get. Not to mention we need a new enemy. The Flood is getting old. I’m fine with them returning, but as the minions of the Precursors.
I like raindocs idea. The flood consuming multiple galaxies. Going from galaxy to galaxy consuming everything. The precursors simply being one of their first victims…from this galaxy at least.
> I like raindocs idea. The flood consuming multiple galaxies. Going from galaxy to galaxy consuming everything. The precursors simply being one of their first victims…from this galaxy at least.
Except it’s already been confirmed that the Precursors and the Flood are synonomous with each other.
> > i do hope that the ancient evil is the flood and not the precursors. i further hope that the precursors did not create the flood, but were their victims.
> > i’d like the Flood to remain an extra-galactic threat, too old to offer explanations for their existance or origin. a mysterious, galaxy-devouring alpha predator, that’s what the flood should be. pure fear.
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> I see your point, but i’m going to have to disagree. Think about it. We fought the Flood throughout the Original Trilogy. There is no way, they could be the Ancient Evil. The Ancient Evil is something new. And as the latest novels have pretty much stated(spoilers ahead), the Precursors created the Flood and willingly assimilated with them and became Advanced Graveminds. The Precursors are as evil as its going to get. Not to mention we need a new enemy. The Flood is getting old. I’m fine with them returning, but as the minions of the Precursors.
I’m not sure how us fighting the flood in the original trilogy means they can’t be an ancient evil. The flood we fought was a tiny little accidental outbreak. A tiny whisper of a fart compared to the 10 ton dump that the flood really is.
The novels never stated the precursors made the flood, it said “We are one with the flood”. And I certainly wouldn’t say the precursors are evil…we have no definite proof of that. We don’t even know what exactly a precursor is. They were the ones who created the forerunners and they also decided to wipe them out after seeing how selfish and unfit to look after the galaxy they were. That’s not evil, hell, they probably saw it as doing the galaxy a favor.
Not saying raindocs theory is true, but it is entirely plausible at this point.
> > I like raindocs idea. The flood consuming multiple galaxies. Going from galaxy to galaxy consuming everything. The precursors simply being one of their first victims…from this galaxy at least.
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> Except it’s already been confirmed that the Precursors and the Flood are synonomous with each other.
Not confirmed at all. There was absolutely no definite answer as to what exactly a precursor and what exactly the TO was. There was no definite answer as to if the precursors used to be an actual race but then became one with the flood, or if the precursors are literally just really advanced gravemind type things. The TO was described as a collection of bodies of some sort. Were those bodies precursor bodies, or is a precursor just a collection of other bodies? The TO said “we are one with the flood”, the certainly does not confirm that the ARE the flood, and it’s just as plausible that they were just all absorbed by the flood.
Go ahead and re-read the last 10% of primordium. What the TO says in no way confirms any of that, it just proposes things that lead to more and more questions.
Really after reading primordium and cryptum the precursors were not the bad ones in this. they were simply choosing who was going to take care of the mantle and/or if they worthy and strong enough too. the forerunners simply thought they were the best because they though they were smarter and more advanced and alot stronger but what they lacked was wisdom and care. and thats what he precursors wanted and thats what the humans had
> The flood we fought was a tiny little accidental outbreak. A tiny whisper of a fart compared to the 10 ton dump that the flood really is.
Oh god my sides.
Maybe the remaining prophets resurrect dinosaur fossils and go on a pillage throught the galaxy and eventually the master chief finds harry potters wand and throws it at truths broken corpse to (somehow) force an army of unarmed grunts to chew through the fossils. Good idea huh?
No but seriously if we fought an army of forunners, 1 it would ruin the lore unless there was an almighty halo loophole and 2 they would kick the chiefs -Yoink-.
> Really after reading primordium and cryptum the precursors were not the bad ones in this. they were simply choosing who was going to take care of the mantle and/or if they worthy and strong enough too. the forerunners simply thought they were the best because they though they were smarter and more advanced and alot stronger but what they lacked was wisdom and care. and thats what he precursors wanted and thats what the humans had
I’m confused, who’s on our side (humans)?
> Really after reading primordium and cryptum the precursors were not the bad ones in this. <mark>they were simply choosing who was going to take care of the mantle and/or if they worthy and strong enough too.</mark> the forerunners simply thought they were the best because they though they were smarter and more advanced and alot stronger but what they lacked was wisdom and care. and thats what he precursors wanted and thats what the humans had
By completely and utterly destroying the races they didn’t like. Nice guys.
> > Really after reading primordium and cryptum the precursors were not the bad ones in this. <mark>they were simply choosing who was going to take care of the mantle and/or if they worthy and strong enough too.</mark> the forerunners simply thought they were the best because they though they were smarter and more advanced and alot stronger but what they lacked was wisdom and care. and thats what he precursors wanted and thats what the humans had
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> By completely and utterly destroying the races they didn’t like. Nice guys.
I mean, they probably thought they were doing the galaxy a favor by getting rid of the forerunners.
And heck, maybe they were.
> > > Really after reading primordium and cryptum the precursors were not the bad ones in this. <mark>they were simply choosing who was going to take care of the mantle and/or if they worthy and strong enough too.</mark> the forerunners simply thought they were the best because they though they were smarter and more advanced and alot stronger but what they lacked was wisdom and care. and thats what he precursors wanted and thats what the humans had
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> > By completely and utterly destroying the races they didn’t like. Nice guys.
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> I mean, they probably thought they were doing the galaxy a favor by getting rid of the forerunners.
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> And heck, maybe they were.
Well, they made the Forerunners,so really it’s still their fault. And frankly, if the best solution they could come up with is “kill them because they aren’t what we had in mind”, maybe they shouldn’t be the arbiters of intergalactic protection.
In Halo A to Z, Frank O Connor says this when he is discussing G for Gravemind:
“Graveminds are minds that form when enough Flood biomass gets together. And they’re intelligent, they’re psychic, they’re very powerful, they come in different shapes and sizes. From Proto-Graveminds like the size of the Captain Keyes blob from Halo Combat Evolved, and all the way up to full Gravemind…and beyond actually as Greg Bear will explore in one of his future novels.”
This was in November, a couple months before Primordium came out. I know some of you, if not all of you, suspect that the TO is a Gravemind already. I am just further pointing out and supporting your theories, and using information straight from Frank’s words.
I do believe that this TO/Gravemind is one of two things:
- The result of a Gravemind forming with a Precursor.
- The original Gravemind the Precursors made in order to punish the Forerunner and unite everything.
To elaborate on number 1, this may or may not be true, just a theory as to why the TO states they are one in the same.
To elaborate on number 2, he could be stating they are one in the same because he was created as an answer to the Forerunner-Precursor war. So in his mind they are one in the same. (I personally feel like the TO is stating things that are untrue, but his point of view is warped and he honestly believes himself) And the Precursors put him in the Prison because they were afraid of his power and fled the Galaxy along with avoiding being exterminated by the Forerunner.
And also the TO seems to be the one who corrupted Mendicant Bias considering he was on the Halo for 43 years with him and when they returned it was mass chaos. Since we learned from the Halo 3 terminals that a Gravemind corrupted Mendicant, putting two and two together seems pretty plausible right now.
> > > > Really after reading primordium and cryptum the precursors were not the bad ones in this. <mark>they were simply choosing who was going to take care of the mantle and/or if they worthy and strong enough too.</mark> the forerunners simply thought they were the best because they though they were smarter and more advanced and alot stronger but what they lacked was wisdom and care. and thats what he precursors wanted and thats what the humans had
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> > > By completely and utterly destroying the races they didn’t like. Nice guys.
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> > I mean, they probably thought they were doing the galaxy a favor by getting rid of the forerunners.
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> > And heck, maybe they were.
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> Well, they made the Forerunners,so really it’s still their fault. And frankly, if the best solution they could come up with is “kill them because they aren’t what we had in mind”, maybe they shouldn’t be the arbiters of intergalactic protection.
No one out-smarts the cobra.
=]
> > > > Really after reading primordium and cryptum the precursors were not the bad ones in this. <mark>they were simply choosing who was going to take care of the mantle and/or if they worthy and strong enough too.</mark> the forerunners simply thought they were the best because they though they were smarter and more advanced and alot stronger but what they lacked was wisdom and care. and thats what he precursors wanted and thats what the humans had
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> > > By completely and utterly destroying the races they didn’t like. Nice guys.
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> > I mean, they probably thought they were doing the galaxy a favor by getting rid of the forerunners.
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> > And heck, maybe they were.
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> Well, they made the Forerunners,so really it’s still their fault. And frankly, if the best solution they could come up with is “kill them because they aren’t what we had in mind”, maybe they shouldn’t be the arbiters of intergalactic protection.
And they also tried to fix their “fault”…soo…
Killing them off may very well have been the best choice.
> > > > > Really after reading primordium and cryptum the precursors were not the bad ones in this. <mark>they were simply choosing who was going to take care of the mantle and/or if they worthy and strong enough too.</mark> the forerunners simply thought they were the best because they though they were smarter and more advanced and alot stronger but what they lacked was wisdom and care. and thats what he precursors wanted and thats what the humans had
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> > > > By completely and utterly destroying the races they didn’t like. Nice guys.
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> > > I mean, they probably thought they were doing the galaxy a favor by getting rid of the forerunners.
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> > > And heck, maybe they were.
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> > Well, they made the Forerunners,so really it’s still their fault. And frankly, if the best solution they could come up with is “kill them because they aren’t what we had in mind”, maybe they shouldn’t be the arbiters of intergalactic protection.
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> No one out-smarts the cobra.
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> =]
I’m not sure where any out-smarting was being done. If two people post opinions which don’t conflict, but are just…opinions, then there’s no out-smarting to be done…
But it’s cool if you think everything has to be a competition. It isn’t, but you can think that.