Truth about DMR & Ordnace Drops/Power weapons

I, for one, am very happy that 343i records the data/facts on their big 'ol computer server data base whatever…

I know, from looking at the ‘Carnage Report’ after each match for the last few thousand games, that 343i’s data (aka facts) will show the following:

DMR:

What I have observed is that the DMR is not the over used power weapon some would have us believe.

The fact is, and I’m sure that 343i’s data base will confirm this, that for game types other than SWAT and perhaps Regicide on occasion, the DMR, when one checks each players primary ‘Tool of Destruction’ stats, is the lest used weapon. It is a myth to state that everyone or almost everyone is using it and that everyone or almost everyone is racking up kills with it on any given map and destroying the ‘fun’ and ‘game play’- it simply is not true but 100 per cent myth. Thus, i, for one, will be smiling when all those myth spreaders find that the DMR will not be changed.

Ordnance Drops:

Second, it is another myth that the Ordnance Drops have somehow ruined things.

Again, what I have observed in the 'Carnage Reports’, when I look at kills with various weapons, find that the vast majority of gamers who get a power weapon from an Ordnance Drop, might only get one or two kills with any particular ordnance drop weapon, which means that just because the so-called causals or lessor players (according to the complainers) are getting power weapons, they are somehow becoming super players and getting massive kills they do not deserve because they didn’t somehow earn the power weapon and fight for the said power weapon as one would have to in Halo 3 or Halo Reach.

The facts seem to bearing out that Ordnance Drops don’t give most players any distinct advantage unless they are actually skilled at using the weapon, and it would seem from the data that most actually stuff up using the weapons they get from Ordnance Drops (including me on occasions). The only gamers who seem to actually be getting any benefit from Ordnance Drops the majority of the time are skilled competitive players(although a small number of casual players now and again do OK). Thus,if the data 343i has matches what I have observed in post game ‘Carnage Reports’, no changes to Ordnance Drops will be made as they seem to only benefit better players and not the reverse.

You all know it is true too. Just start viewing the ‘Carnage Reports’ and *‘Tool of Destruction’*data after each match and you will find that it really was just a myth about the DMR and Ordnance Drops.

So, if anything, the DMR would make the competitive players more dominate over causals with the higher degree of skill, not with standing all the complaints about the mechanics of the DMR. Even with the the various concerns about the DMR’s mechanics, it doesn’t change the fact that it is not the overused weapon in each match you claim to play in.

And, the above applies to Ordnance Drops too. These would benefit the skilled competitive player over the causal player. If the Ordnance Drops were having the impact the myth creators claim, everyone would be getting almost maximum kills with the power weapons they receive. The facts are, though, this is simple not the case.

in summary, I expect that the DMR and Ordnance Drops to remain as are, as they are performing as always intended by 343i. The facts/data, do not support any changes being required.

Ha! All that DMR stuff you stated doesn’t make sense compared to when I played about 30 minutes ago. I played 10 games and 10 out of those 10 scrubs were racking up the kills with the devil weapon, the DMR. It does take the fun out of the game when you are going up against these scrubs and you clearly should’ve gotten the kill but NOPE! DMR beats everything. That happened to me all the time in the games 30 minutes ago. Those stats are false compared to the actuality in game.

“DONT NERF ME BRO”

Those statistics dont matter. They are not relevant for a few reasons. One being many of those stats come from players that can’t aim.

The bottome line is the DMR is a weapon you spawn with and it is the best utility weapon in the game, furthermore it is too effective for how easy it is to use. I don’t need statistics to tell me this because I am actually good at Halo and this is easily recognizable.

Statistics or “facts” mean nothing without context or analysis.

Im curious as to which playlists you were “observing” the post game stats on. For all I know, it could have been flood, or a custom game. Even swat could show the br more than the dmr just because its one of the only playlists that give it a significant edge.

I think I will be the one smiling when dmr users start to realize that their favorite weapon is no better than any of the other primary precision weapons after the tu. :slight_smile:

> Ha! All that DMR stuff you stated doesn’t make sense compared to when I played about 30 minutes ago. I played 10 games and 10 out of those 10 scrubs were racking up the kills with the devil weapon, the DMR. It does take the fun out of the game when you are going up against these scrubs and you clearly should’ve gotten the kill but NOPE! DMR beats everything. That happened to me all the time in the games 30 minutes ago. Those stats are false compared to the actuality in game.

Sorry for the delay in replying.

After viewing your last ten games at Halo Waypoint at YOUR stats page, I observed the following:

Team Infinity Slayer (you 8th) Adrift…3 of 8 players used DMR as most used weapon according to Tools of Destruction.

TIS (7th) Adrift 2 of 8

TIS Abandon (4th) 3 of 8

TIS Solace (4th) 4 of 8

TIS Abandon (3rd) 2 of 8

TIS Longbow (8th) 2 of 8

…and I stopped after that.

It seems you want to help push the myth. The stats/facts support what I stated and not you. Go check your own page dude!

I am curious where you got your data from… 7/10 ppl I go up against use that… most of them will use it in cqc.

> Im curious as to which playlists you were “observing” the post game stats on. For all I know, it could have been flood, or a custom game. Even swat could show the br more than the dmr just because its one of the only playlists that give it a significant edge.
>
> I think I will be the one smiling when dmr users start to realize that their favorite weapon is no better than any of the other primary precision weapons after the tu. :slight_smile:

You can check my Stats at Halo Way point…don’t play Customs nor Flood. I play CTF, slayer etc…all the FACTS are there for any one who cares. As I have actually completed 100% Slayer commendations and almost finished CTF and Dominion, I, IMO, I have observed what I have stated.

> I, for one, am very happy that 343i records the data/facts on their big ‘ol computer server data base whatever…
>
> I know, from looking at the ‘Carnage Report’ after each match for the last few thousand games, that 343i’s data (aka facts) will show the following:
>
> DMR:
>
> What I have observed is that the DMR is not the over used power weapon some would have us believe.
>
> The fact is, and I’m sure that 343i’s data base will confirm this, that for game types other than SWAT and perhaps Regicide on occasion, the DMR, when one checks each players primary ‘Tool of Destruction’ stats, is the lest used weapon. It is a myth to state that everyone or almost everyone is using it and that everyone or almost everyone is racking up kills with it on any given map and destroying the ‘fun’ and ‘game play’- it simply is not true but 100 per cent myth. Thus, i, for one, will be smiling when all those myth spreaders find that the DMR will not be changed.
>
> Ordnance Drops:
>
> Second, it is another myth that the Ordnance Drops have somehow ruined things.
>
> Again, what I have observed in the 'Carnage Reports’, when I look at kills with various weapons, find that the vast majority of gamers who get a power weapon from an Ordnance Drop, might only get one or two kills with any particular ordnance drop weapon, which means that just because the so-called causals or lessor players (according to the complainers) are getting power weapons, they are somehow becoming super players and getting massive kills they do not deserve because they didn’t somehow earn the power weapon and fight for the said power weapon as one would have to in Halo 3 or Halo Reach.
>
> The facts seem to bearing out that Ordnance Drops don’t give most players any distinct advantage unless they are actually skilled at using the weapon, and it would seem from the data that most actually stuff up using the weapons they get from Ordnance Drops (including me on occasions). The only gamers who seem to actually be getting any benefit from Ordnance Drops the majority of the time are skilled competitive players(although a small number of casual players now and again do OK). Thus,if the data 343i has matches what I have observed in post game ‘Carnage Reports’, no changes to Ordnance Drops will be made as they seem to only benefit better players and not the reverse.
>
> You all know it is true too. Just start viewing the ‘Carnage Reports’ and *‘Tool of Destruction’*data after each match and you will find that it really was just a myth about the DMR and Ordnance Drops.
>
> So, if anything, the DMR would make the competitive players more dominate over causals with the higher degree of skill, not with standing all the complaints about the mechanics of the DMR. Even with the the various concerns about the DMR’s mechanics, it doesn’t change the fact that it is not the overused weapon in each match you claim to play in.
>
> And, the above applies to Ordnance Drops too. These would benefit the skilled competitive player over the causal player. If the Ordnance Drops were having the impact the myth creators claim, everyone would be getting almost maximum kills with the power weapons they receive. The facts are, though, this is simple not the case.
>
> in summary, I expect that the DMR and Ordnance Drops to remain as are, as they are performing as always intended by 343i. The facts/data, do not support any changes being required.

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> Those statistics dont matter. They are not relevant for a few reasons. One being many of those stats come from players that can’t aim.
>
> The bottome line is the DMR is a weapon you spawn with and it is the best utility weapon in the game, furthermore it is too effective for how easy it is to use. I don’t need statistics to tell me this because I am actually good at Halo and this is easily recognizable.
>
> Statistics or “facts” mean nothing without context or analysis.

They do matter when I have completed a few thousand Halo 4 Slayer, CTF, Dominion, KOTH games and this has been the recorded pattern all along…

Changes do need to be made actually. In BTB, someone on the other team can get a Needler or Sticky Detonator while I could randomly get a Binary Rifle or Incineration Cannon. That is BS for them.

> > Ha! All that DMR stuff you stated doesn’t make sense compared to when I played about 30 minutes ago. I played 10 games and 10 out of those 10 scrubs were racking up the kills with the devil weapon, the DMR. It does take the fun out of the game when you are going up against these scrubs and you clearly should’ve gotten the kill but NOPE! DMR beats everything. That happened to me all the time in the games 30 minutes ago. Those stats are false compared to the actuality in game.
>
> Sorry for the delay in replying.
>
> After viewing your last ten games at Halo Waypoint at YOUR stats page, I observed the following:
>
> Team Infinity Slayer (you 8th) Adrift…3 of 8 players used DMR as most used weapon according to Tools of Destruction.
>
> TIS (7th) Adrift 2 of 8
>
> TIS Abandon (4th) 3 of 8
>
> TIS Solace (4th) 4 of 8
>
> TIS Abandon (3rd) 2 of 8
>
> TIS Longbow (8th) 2 of 8
>
> …and I stopped after that.
>
> It seems you want to help push the myth. The stats/facts support what I stated and not you. Go check your own page dude!

Taking stats from the general public is pointless. Most people don’t care about which weapon is the best or dont realize which one is the best. Furthermore most players cant USE the weapon effectively.

> 0/100

I’m sorry that facts do not rank highly for you. I hope you will be able to handle the DMR and OD remaining as are but, I suspect that you won’t.

Ok… so your proof is your commendations… I have basically all of CTF and Dominion… I don’t think the DMR is really OP but overused with AC along with the BS… That I will say might be a bit OP considering the oneshot range it has… at first I thought it wasn’t OP but fellow Spartans have enlightened me by killing me with it, lol

OP’s post makes me want to laugh.

exactly, the DMR is how 343 wants it but people don’t understand.

> Changes do need to be made actually. In BTB, someone on the other team can get a Needler or Sticky Detonator while I could randomly get a Binary Rifle or Incineration Cannon. That is BS for them.

I’ve been in numerous games where someone who gets a Needler couldn’t hit the side of a barn door! And those who get the IC commit suicide because they can’t use it properly.

I understand what you are saying though. I have observed a pattern that for each individual player, or for me at least, the OD goes in a pattern in that you might get the Sniper one drop, then the IC, the RL, then Needler and so on and once you been through the list it starts over. However, I find that it resembles a real battle field as not everyone has the same weapons.

Yes, I know that Halo has traditionally been about everyone having equal starts. But, Bungie started making changes by introducing AAs and 343i has followed through with that natural progression. Some might say that 343i have gone to far while others might say they got it right.

I don’t like it that I get a crappy OD and then happen to come face to face with someone who got a IC and kills me stone dead but, that is the way the game is now meant to be. I can live with it despite it annoying me sometimes. It all evens out though. You get the better OD next time and they get the crappy one.

At the end of the day, the OD are actually working as 343i intended and I can’t see why they would change them. Yes,you might reply that some (a minority) complain about them) but, that won’t change a thing.

> > > Ha! All that DMR stuff you stated doesn’t make sense compared to when I played about 30 minutes ago. I played 10 games and 10 out of those 10 scrubs were racking up the kills with the devil weapon, the DMR. It does take the fun out of the game when you are going up against these scrubs and you clearly should’ve gotten the kill but NOPE! DMR beats everything. That happened to me all the time in the games 30 minutes ago. Those stats are false compared to the actuality in game.
> >
> > Sorry for the delay in replying.
> >
> > After viewing your last ten games at Halo Waypoint at YOUR stats page, I observed the following:
> >
> > Team Infinity Slayer (you 8th) Adrift…3 of 8 players used DMR as most used weapon according to Tools of Destruction.
> >
> > TIS (7th) Adrift 2 of 8
> >
> > TIS Abandon (4th) 3 of 8
> >
> > TIS Solace (4th) 4 of 8
> >
> > TIS Abandon (3rd) 2 of 8
> >
> > TIS Longbow (8th) 2 of 8
> >
> > …and I stopped after that.
> >
> > It seems you want to help push the myth. The stats/facts support what I stated and not you. Go check your own page dude!
>
> Taking stats from the general public is pointless. Most people don’t care about which weapon is the best or dont realize which one is the best. Furthermore most players cant USE the weapon effectively.

Ummm, yep, that is what I have been saying…basically most can’t use the weapons properly.

> Ok… so your proof is your commendations… I have basically all of CTF and Dominion… I don’t think the DMR is really OP but overused with AC along with the BS… That I will say might be a bit OP considering the oneshot range it has… at first I thought it wasn’t OP but fellow Spartans have enlightened me by killing me with it, lol

I have one load-out, to be up front and honest, where I use it for Ragnarok only and it includes the DMR and LightRifle and Camo.

My stats will show that I never use the BS (I did day one/launch day for two kills and never used it since). I am anti-BS but, it’s in the game and I rarely get killed from it so don’t really care. Good on those who can use it effectively. I witnessed one dude Jet Packing about a BS killing people…LMAO. But, seriously, if a weapon is in the game and some person chooses to use it well,so be it.I just hate the weapons mechanics and simply couldn’t be bothered with it. I kill the BS more often than they do me anyway.

I mentioned commendations and game types simply to show that I do play a number of game types and NOT customs/flood and have thus observed what I have claimed, that’s all. I respect the fact that others might have observed differently but, as with one other poster, went and checked and found their claims to be false…just saying…

> OP’s post makes me want to laugh.

That’s a good thing!

People should laugh off myths and falsehoods and embrace the facts/stats…343i will be happy you find the myths funny.