How would a needler injury be treated at varying levels of injury?
Assume 1st degree is the highest (or, for sake of differences, tiers will be reversely ordered)
[* marks defining features for diagnosis]
1st degree needler injury (or, tier-3 needler injury): the most aggressive and severe needler injury. *Needle(s) have exploded, impacted, fragmented, and disbursed compounds into tissues/body systems–notably, blood.
2nd degree needler injury (tier-2): more manageable but severe needler penetration and impact damage; may contain partial fragments in surrounding tissues. Needles have not exploded but if poorly treated may explode. Needles are unstable at best. *Needles/fragments have not migrated into blood but have penetrated tissues deeply.
3rd degree needler injury (tier-1): least severe needler injury consisting of zero penetration. *Glassy fragmentation/gas exposure and/or superficial cuts.
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> How would a needler injury be treated at varying levels of injury?
> Assume 1st degree is the highest (or, for sake of differences, tiers will be reversely ordered)
> [* marks defining features for diagnosis]1st degree needler injury (or, tier-3 needler injury): the most aggressive and severe needler injury. *Needle(s) have exploded, impacted, fragmented, and disbursed compounds into tissues/body systems–notably, blood.
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> 2nd degree needler injury (tier-2): more manageable but severe needler penetration and impact damage; may contain partial fragments in surrounding tissues. Needles have not exploded but if poorly treated may explode. Needles are unstable at best. *Needles/fragments have not migrated into blood but have penetrated tissues deeply.
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> 3rd degree needler injury (tier-1): least severe needler injury consisting of zero penetration. *Glassy fragmentation/gas exposure and/or superficial cuts.
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> Thank you for your contributions!
Tier 1 (no penetration): Requires bandaging and probably ointment.
Tier 2 (deep penetration, non-exploded): Requires Biofoam until surgery to fix it.
Tier 3 (deep penetration, exploded): Requires Biofoam and probably a respirator until replacement organs can be flash-cloned and surgically implanted, if the patient lives that long, which is unlikely.
I wouldn’t be surprised if they did something like that. The needlers seemed common enough to warrant a medical classification.
If not I’m sure they would treat the wounded based on the severity of the burns/impact wound.
ouch. When you put it like that it makes it seem like being shot by a needler is one of the worst ways of going out. Even if you do survive the initial volley, if the needles go off you’re probably looking at imminent death via splinters eventually reaching your heart, or a lifetime of surgeries and preventive care to treat any remaining splinters.
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> > How would a needler injury be treated at varying levels of injury?
> > Assume 1st degree is the highest (or, for sake of differences, tiers will be reversely ordered)
> > [* marks defining features for diagnosis]1st degree needler injury (or, tier-3 needler injury): the most aggressive and severe needler injury. *Needle(s) have exploded, impacted, fragmented, and disbursed compounds into tissues/body systems–notably, blood.
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> > 2nd degree needler injury (tier-2): more manageable but severe needler penetration and impact damage; may contain partial fragments in surrounding tissues. Needles have not exploded but if poorly treated may explode. Needles are unstable at best. *Needles/fragments have not migrated into blood but have penetrated tissues deeply.
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> > 3rd degree needler injury (tier-1): least severe needler injury consisting of zero penetration. *Glassy fragmentation/gas exposure and/or superficial cuts.
> >
> > Thank you for your contributions!
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> Tier 1 (no penetration): Requires bandaging and probably ointment.
> Tier 2 (deep penetration, non-exploded): Requires Biofoam until surgery to fix it.
> Tier 3 (deep penetration, exploded): Requires Biofoam and probably a respirator until replacement organs can be flash-cloned and surgically implanted, if the patient lives that long, which is unlikely.
Tier 4 (deep penetration, detonation, possible supercombine): Triage level zero. Move on.
Also, yes, even if the needle doesnt detonate there’s going to be microshrapnel EVERYWHERE.
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> I used to be a U.N.S.C Marine like you , but then I took a Neddle to the leg.
Marine sees a grunt firing his needler at civilians
Stop right there, Covenant scum! Nobody breaks the Geneva Conventions on my watch! I’m confiscating yo… gets Tier 4’rd
But yeah I’ve always been amazed how Halo, a game series with relatively little gore, can have such a brutal weapon. Almost cringed IRL a couple years back while reading the section about the marines getting ambushed by covies with needlers in Halo: Fall of Reach
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> > I used to be a U.N.S.C Marine like you , but then I took a Neddle to the leg.
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> Marine sees a grunt firing his needler at civilians
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> Stop right there, Covenant scum! Nobody breaks the Geneva Conventions on my watch! I’m confiscating yo… gets Tier 4’rd
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> But yeah I’ve always been amazed how Halo, a game series with relatively little gore, can have such a brutal weapon. Almost cringed IRL a couple years back while reading the section about the marines getting ambushed by covies with needlers in Halo: Fall of Reach
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> > > I used to be a U.N.S.C Marine like you , but then I took a Neddle to the leg.
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> > Marine sees a grunt firing his needler at civilians
> >
> > Stop right there, Covenant scum! Nobody breaks the Geneva Conventions on my watch! I’m confiscating yo… gets Tier 4’rd
> >
> > But yeah I’ve always been amazed how Halo, a game series with relatively little gore, can have such a brutal weapon. Almost cringed IRL a couple years back while reading the section about the marines getting ambushed by covies with needlers in Halo: Fall of Reach
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> You seen Forward Unto Dawn yet? XD
Oh yeah there is that one too. If I remember correctly one dude almost ate a needle to the face. That would’ve been…bad.
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> > > > I used to be a U.N.S.C Marine like you , but then I took a Neddle to the leg.
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> > > Marine sees a grunt firing his needler at civilians
> > >
> > > Stop right there, Covenant scum! Nobody breaks the Geneva Conventions on my watch! I’m confiscating yo… gets Tier 4’rd
> > >
> > > But yeah I’ve always been amazed how Halo, a game series with relatively little gore, can have such a brutal weapon. Almost cringed IRL a couple years back while reading the section about the marines getting ambushed by covies with needlers in Halo: Fall of Reach
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> > You seen Forward Unto Dawn yet? XD
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> Oh yeah there is that one too. If I remember correctly one dude almost ate a needle to the face. That would’ve been…bad.
Remember Colonel Mehaffey? She received a needler round in her chest and then (apparently) it exploded off-screen
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> > > > > I used to be a U.N.S.C Marine like you , but then I took a Neddle to the leg.
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> > > > Marine sees a grunt firing his needler at civilians
> > > >
> > > > Stop right there, Covenant scum! Nobody breaks the Geneva Conventions on my watch! I’m confiscating yo… gets Tier 4’rd
> > > >
> > > > But yeah I’ve always been amazed how Halo, a game series with relatively little gore, can have such a brutal weapon. Almost cringed IRL a couple years back while reading the section about the marines getting ambushed by covies with needlers in Halo: Fall of Reach
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> > > You seen Forward Unto Dawn yet? XD
> >
> > Oh yeah there is that one too. If I remember correctly one dude almost ate a needle to the face. That would’ve been…bad.
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> Remember Colonel Mehaffey? She received a needler round in her chest and then (apparently) it exploded off-screen
Supercombine. We see the matter in the air. She dead man. She dead.
Also didn’t Silva die cause she got a Tier-2 needler wound? (using above mentioned terminology)
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> > > > > > I used to be a U.N.S.C Marine like you , but then I took a Neddle to the leg.
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> > > > > Marine sees a grunt firing his needler at civilians
> > > > >
> > > > > Stop right there, Covenant scum! Nobody breaks the Geneva Conventions on my watch! I’m confiscating yo… gets Tier 4’rd
> > > > >
> > > > > But yeah I’ve always been amazed how Halo, a game series with relatively little gore, can have such a brutal weapon. Almost cringed IRL a couple years back while reading the section about the marines getting ambushed by covies with needlers in Halo: Fall of Reach
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> > > > You seen Forward Unto Dawn yet? XD
> > >
> > > Oh yeah there is that one too. If I remember correctly one dude almost ate a needle to the face. That would’ve been…bad.
> >
> > Remember Colonel Mehaffey? She received a needler round in her chest and then (apparently) it exploded off-screen
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> Supercombine. We see the matter in the air. She dead man. She dead.
> Also didn’t Silva die cause she got a Tier-2 needler wound? (using above mentioned terminology)
Yes, she died from the puncture wound to her gut, though she could have been saved with Biofoam.
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> > > > > > Marine sees a grunt firing his needler at civilians
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Stop right there, Covenant scum! Nobody breaks the Geneva Conventions on my watch! I’m confiscating yo… gets Tier 4’rd
> > > > > >
> > > > > > But yeah I’ve always been amazed how Halo, a game series with relatively little gore, can have such a brutal weapon. Almost cringed IRL a couple years back while reading the section about the marines getting ambushed by covies with needlers in Halo: Fall of Reach
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> > > > > You seen Forward Unto Dawn yet? XD
> > > >
> > > > Oh yeah there is that one too. If I remember correctly one dude almost ate a needle to the face. That would’ve been…bad.
> > >
> > > Remember Colonel Mehaffey? She received a needler round in her chest and then (apparently) it exploded off-screen
> >
> > Supercombine. We see the matter in the air. She dead man. She dead.
> > Also didn’t Silva die cause she got a Tier-2 needler wound? (using above mentioned terminology)
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> Yes, she died from the puncture wound to her gut, though she could have been saved with Biofoam.
Which Sullivan ate the last of. Bad news bears all around.
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> How would a needler injury be treated at varying levels of injury?
> Assume 1st degree is the highest (or, for sake of differences, tiers will be reversely ordered)
> [* marks defining features for diagnosis]1st degree needler injury (or, tier-3 needler injury): the most aggressive and severe needler injury. *Needle(s) have exploded, impacted, fragmented, and disbursed compounds into tissues/body systems–notably, blood.
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> 2nd degree needler injury (tier-2): more manageable but severe needler penetration and impact damage; may contain partial fragments in surrounding tissues. Needles have not exploded but if poorly treated may explode. Needles are unstable at best. *Needles/fragments have not migrated into blood but have penetrated tissues deeply.
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> 3rd degree needler injury (tier-1): least severe needler injury consisting of zero penetration. *Glassy fragmentation/gas exposure and/or superficial cuts.
>
> Thank you for your contributions!
Tier 3: It depends on where the needle or needles exploded. In the shoulder might require amputation of the arm if it wasn’t already blown off and even then the victim might be unsavable if the shards have gone into the blood stream and are tearing through the system or if enough shrapnel hit the victims neck.
In the abdominal region would be a very difficult save especially if it managed to rupture the intestines since chances of infection are through the roof at that point. If it hasn’t ruptured anything vital then biofoam might be able to save the victim long enough to get surgery but they will almost certainly die without more invasive medical attention assuming they weren’t blown in half already.
Tier 2 would be very hard to manage but less life threatening ONLY IF the needles are able to be removed on the battlefield without detonation followed by immediate application of biofoam to stem the bleeding.
One could attempt to remove the victim from the battlefield with the needles in place but this may be extremely risky if the battle is still on going. If they reach a field hospital or an actual Naval hospital without detonation there is a significantly higher chance of patient survival.
Tier 1 very likely to survive though might have a shortened lifespan since the needle shards remaining in the body could cause issues later in life they are not all removed. The greatest threat to a tier 1 victim in my opinion is the gas/fragments in the air getting into the lungs and causing internal breathing. Would be somewhat equivalent of breathing fiberglass dust. Beyond that the gas itself might be mutagenic and cause cancer or other disorders later on.
Hope you can get some medical majors to answer, but that’s my two cents.
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> > > How would a needler injury be treated at varying levels of injury?
> > > Assume 1st degree is the highest (or, for sake of differences, tiers will be reversely ordered)
> > > [* marks defining features for diagnosis]1st degree needler injury (or, tier-3 needler injury): the most aggressive and severe needler injury. *Needle(s) have exploded, impacted, fragmented, and disbursed compounds into tissues/body systems–notably, blood.
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> > > 2nd degree needler injury (tier-2): more manageable but severe needler penetration and impact damage; may contain partial fragments in surrounding tissues. Needles have not exploded but if poorly treated may explode. Needles are unstable at best. *Needles/fragments have not migrated into blood but have penetrated tissues deeply.
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> > > 3rd degree needler injury (tier-1): least severe needler injury consisting of zero penetration. *Glassy fragmentation/gas exposure and/or superficial cuts.
> > >
> > > Thank you for your contributions!
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> > Tier 1 (no penetration): Requires bandaging and probably ointment.
> > Tier 2 (deep penetration, non-exploded): Requires Biofoam until surgery to fix it.
> > Tier 3 (deep penetration, exploded): Requires Biofoam and probably a respirator until replacement organs can be flash-cloned and surgically implanted, if the patient lives that long, which is unlikely.
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> Tier 4 (deep penetration, detonation, possible supercombine): Triage level zero. Move on.
> Also, yes, even if the needle doesnt detonate there’s going to be microshrapnel EVERYWHERE.
Wow, never thought of that. Very true. Microshrapnel of alien origin with any level of bacteria inside/on it. Ick.
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> > > > How would a needler injury be treated at varying levels of injury?
> > > > Assume 1st degree is the highest (or, for sake of differences, tiers will be reversely ordered)
> > > > [* marks defining features for diagnosis]1st degree needler injury (or, tier-3 needler injury): the most aggressive and severe needler injury. *Needle(s) have exploded, impacted, fragmented, and disbursed compounds into tissues/body systems–notably, blood.
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> > > > 2nd degree needler injury (tier-2): more manageable but severe needler penetration and impact damage; may contain partial fragments in surrounding tissues. Needles have not exploded but if poorly treated may explode. Needles are unstable at best. *Needles/fragments have not migrated into blood but have penetrated tissues deeply.
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> > > > 3rd degree needler injury (tier-1): least severe needler injury consisting of zero penetration. *Glassy fragmentation/gas exposure and/or superficial cuts.
> > > >
> > > > Thank you for your contributions!
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> > > Tier 1 (no penetration): Requires bandaging and probably ointment.
> > > Tier 2 (deep penetration, non-exploded): Requires Biofoam until surgery to fix it.
> > > Tier 3 (deep penetration, exploded): Requires Biofoam and probably a respirator until replacement organs can be flash-cloned and surgically implanted, if the patient lives that long, which is unlikely.
> >
> > Tier 4 (deep penetration, detonation, possible supercombine): Triage level zero. Move on.
> > Also, yes, even if the needle doesnt detonate there’s going to be microshrapnel EVERYWHERE.
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> Wow, never thought of that. Very true. Microshrapnel of alien origin with any level of bacteria inside/on it. Ick.
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> > > > > How would a needler injury be treated at varying levels of injury?
> > > > > Assume 1st degree is the highest (or, for sake of differences, tiers will be reversely ordered)
> > > > > [* marks defining features for diagnosis]1st degree needler injury (or, tier-3 needler injury): the most aggressive and severe needler injury. *Needle(s) have exploded, impacted, fragmented, and disbursed compounds into tissues/body systems–notably, blood.
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> > > > > 2nd degree needler injury (tier-2): more manageable but severe needler penetration and impact damage; may contain partial fragments in surrounding tissues. Needles have not exploded but if poorly treated may explode. Needles are unstable at best. *Needles/fragments have not migrated into blood but have penetrated tissues deeply.
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> > > > > 3rd degree needler injury (tier-1): least severe needler injury consisting of zero penetration. *Glassy fragmentation/gas exposure and/or superficial cuts.
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> > > > > Thank you for your contributions!
> > > >
> > > > Tier 1 (no penetration): Requires bandaging and probably ointment.
> > > > Tier 2 (deep penetration, non-exploded): Requires Biofoam until surgery to fix it.
> > > > Tier 3 (deep penetration, exploded): Requires Biofoam and probably a respirator until replacement organs can be flash-cloned and surgically implanted, if the patient lives that long, which is unlikely.
> > >
> > > Tier 4 (deep penetration, detonation, possible supercombine): Triage level zero. Move on.
> > > Also, yes, even if the needle doesnt detonate there’s going to be microshrapnel EVERYWHERE.
> >
> > Wow, never thought of that. Very true. Microshrapnel of alien origin with any level of bacteria inside/on it. Ick.
>
> I’d be more worried about radiation.
Yea, radiation is also a good point. Anything else anyone can think of? I’m surprised we don’t see the needles being used in other capacities. At larger quantities I imagine a bomb wouldn’t be out of the question? Needle grenades, like the brute grenades? So many possibilities.
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> > > > > > How would a needler injury be treated at varying levels of injury?
> > > > > > Assume 1st degree is the highest (or, for sake of differences, tiers will be reversely ordered)
> > > > > > [* marks defining features for diagnosis]1st degree needler injury (or, tier-3 needler injury): the most aggressive and severe needler injury. *Needle(s) have exploded, impacted, fragmented, and disbursed compounds into tissues/body systems–notably, blood.
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> > > > > > 2nd degree needler injury (tier-2): more manageable but severe needler penetration and impact damage; may contain partial fragments in surrounding tissues. Needles have not exploded but if poorly treated may explode. Needles are unstable at best. *Needles/fragments have not migrated into blood but have penetrated tissues deeply.
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> > > > > > 3rd degree needler injury (tier-1): least severe needler injury consisting of zero penetration. *Glassy fragmentation/gas exposure and/or superficial cuts.
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> > > > > > Thank you for your contributions!
> > > > >
> > > > > Tier 1 (no penetration): Requires bandaging and probably ointment.
> > > > > Tier 2 (deep penetration, non-exploded): Requires Biofoam until surgery to fix it.
> > > > > Tier 3 (deep penetration, exploded): Requires Biofoam and probably a respirator until replacement organs can be flash-cloned and surgically implanted, if the patient lives that long, which is unlikely.
> > > >
> > > > Tier 4 (deep penetration, detonation, possible supercombine): Triage level zero. Move on.
> > > > Also, yes, even if the needle doesnt detonate there’s going to be microshrapnel EVERYWHERE.
> > >
> > > Wow, never thought of that. Very true. Microshrapnel of alien origin with any level of bacteria inside/on it. Ick.
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> > I’d be more worried about radiation.
>
> Yea, radiation is also a good point. Anything else anyone can think of? I’m surprised we don’t see the needles being used in other capacities. At larger quantities I imagine a bomb wouldn’t be out of the question? Needle grenades, like the brute grenades? So many possibilities.
Honestly I feel needle grenades would be effective in two major ways: 1. The initial explosion could possibly send large pieces of shrapnel everywhere (maybe gameplay wise if you get hit with a piece itsian instant super combine).
2. After initial grenade detonation (this would just be lore wise) maybe there is a large area of “pink fog” that anyone without breathing protection shouldn’t walk through because of all the micro shrapnel hanging in the air which could seriously screw up your lungs like fiberglass.
I was thinking the new Spartan Handbook that is coming out next week may talk about injury treatment. It will be interesting to see what kind of information they include in it.
