I was just wondering how everyone feels about the fact that we are on the 4th iteration of Spartans? Does it ruin the romanticized aspect of the Spartan II’s as legendary soldiers? Or do you just see them as a poor mans master chief?
Personally, im a bit conflicted, I like that humanity continues to evolve and I know this is their next stage of evolution in the Halo universe, but their was something cool about just having these specific people that had godlike status.
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I see them as the next obvious progression from the Spartan II’s, especially in the political climate Halo is set in. I don’t think they’re a match for the Spartan II’s which only enhances the reputation of the Spartan II’s
I think the politics of the new Spartan programs are quite interesting lore wise. I couldn’t really image a Spartan V program.
Yeah, I just hope it doesn’t come to the point where everyone and their grandmother can become a spartan, ya know? That would kinda kill it for me :\ I want it to always be a very selective process with a chance of failure.
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> Yeah, I just hope it doesn’t come to the point where everyone and their grandmother can become a spartan, ya know? That would kinda kill it for me :\ I want it to always be a very selective process with a chance of failure.
Yet that is the point that Halsey and the Librarian both seem to have for the Spartans, for them to be the template that humanity as a whole uses to better itself. Not everybody will be an elite warrior of course.
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My only beef is how the IVs have been consistently shown to lack common sense, though, I suppose that could be attributed to some less than stellar writing, considering they’re all supposed to be the best the UNSC armed forces could offer.
Though, recently, it seems like one doesn’t get into the Spartan-IV Program because they’re basically experienced Space Navy SEALs, but rather, because someone high up recognizes that they’re going to be a major character in Halo 5, a la Vale and Tanaka. After all, I don’t think it’s any coincidence that Vale’s Universe article added on to her backstory after her debut in Hunters in the Dark, stating that she was somehow better than the majority of trained Marines and soldiers during a crossbranch exercise.
Or how in Tanaka’s new Universe article, it tried and state that Tanaka had saved the lives of the ODSTs she was working with, but any one who has read the comic knows that isn’t true at all.
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> I was just wondering how everyone feels about the fact that we are on the 4th iteration of Spartans? Does it ruin the romanticized aspect of the Spartan II’s as legendary soldiers? Or do you just see them as a poor mans master chief?
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> Personally, im a bit conflicted, I like that humanity continues to evolve and I know this is their next stage of evolution in the Halo universe, but their was something cool about just having these specific people that had godlike status.
I agree with you in that I also believe that it “dilutes” the Spartan program in general. I also do believe that Spartan 2s and 3s are the only bonafied and genuine Spartans, unlike the 4s. I do feel there is definitely something about kidnapping and indoctrinating kids at a young age and making them learn to be the best then giving them so many clear advantages in physical and mental capacities that put them clearly above any other type of soldier. That and the original MJOLNIR armor variants.
However that can’t keep happening because of what we are hearing in hunt the truth and politics in general. Who knows, maybe ONI will go as far as to be somewhat transparent in the future.
And yet while some of you folks think the IVs dilute the Spartan name, the actual S-IIs and S-IIIs likely don’t care one way or the other about the Spartan name being diluted.
Uh no. 500+ Spartan IV’s does far more good for Humanity than 33 Spartan II’s. I honestly don’t get this utterly ridiculous belief that more Spartans is somehow a bad thing. It doesn’t devalue the previous generations. The Spartan III program had 900+ Spartans.
The insecurities some of you have when it comes to the Spartan II program is utterly ridiculous to be honest. And with those insecurities you take them out on the Spartan IV program because you feel it threatens your beloved Spartan II program. I hate to be blunt, but get over it.
The Librarian and Halsey clearly intend for the Spartans to be humanity’s destiny. It’s probably a part of humanity’s geas as well along with the development of AIs. In a lot of ways, the Spartan Programs are very similar to the Forerunner mutations which allowed them to advance through rates. At some point I think every fighting human will become as strong as the Spartans are today – some stronger.
“Too many” Spartans is a silly concept when the Spartans are essentially humanity’s next step as a species. The Sparan-IV Program was a major step forward in achieving that goal because it allowed everyday soldiers to become superheroes without being forcefully conscripted at young ages. And quite frankly, I don’t think Spartans are as common as you think even now when you consider how many humans there must be in the galaxy.
Humans are destined to have the potential to become as powerful Spartans. It will make them less rare and legendary in the end, but I think it’ll allow individuals to shine and earn legendary statuses in their own right regardless of them being Spartans. People like Master Chief, Fred and Kelly will always possess a mythical status and be seen as heroes.
No S-IV will ever be a match for an S-II, and likely no S-III.
That said, qualms about the quality of the S-IV’s aside, in comparison to the II’s and III’s, as well as their varied personal disposition (from highly professional and highly disciplined to much more questionable and undisciplined) and greater tendency for subversion into the Insurrection (1 S-II washout who was shown to be very distressed, frustrated, and confused due to his situation is the only Spartan of either the II or III models to ever fall in with the Insurrection (and who didn’t ever actually join the Insurrection, albeit intending to do so) compared to the 4+ S-IV’s (that we’re aware of) who have turned against the UNSC), they are still far superior to any baseline human. The more we have of them, the better off humanity will be.
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> My only beef is how the IVs have been consistently shown to lack common sense, though, I suppose that could be attributed to some less than stellar writing, considering they’re all supposed to be the best the UNSC armed forces could offer.
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> Though, recently, it seems like one doesn’t get into the Spartan-IV Program because they’re basically experienced Space Navy SEALs, but rather, because someone high up recognizes that they’re going to be a major character in Halo 5, a la Vale and Tanaka. After all, I don’t think it’s any coincidence that Vale’s Universe article added on to her backstory after her debut in Hunters in the Dark, stating that she was somehow better than the majority of trained Marines and soldiers during a crossbranch exercise.
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> Or how in Tanaka’s new Universe article, it tried and state that Tanaka had saved the lives of the ODSTs she was working with, but any one who has read the comic knows that isn’t true at all.
That’s something that has somewhat bothered me about the S-IV’s:
You have several that don’t exactly come from the stellar SF or SOF and are made into Spartans. I don’t really see how some characters were offered the chance to become one; I know in at least one instance, nepotism came into play (Spartan Anthony Madsen), but otherwise, I’m wondering how a Signals Specialist (Naiya Ray and Olympia Vale) and an Army Engineer (Tanaka) could have become Spartans. I’m not trying to say that they don’t have the skills, but I’m wondering why they were accepted when two of them had roles that kept them behind a monitor or desk more often than in the field in an operational manner, and the other being less focused on combat and more on other operational support on the ground (not focused on fighting). I can see how they’re capable, but not how they’re more capable than an Army or Marine infantryman, let alone an SF operator.
It’s sort of like the U.S. Army Rangers: until recently, they only accepted two specific MOS’s for training - Infantry and Cavalry Scouts (they had to open up several more so that women could be allowed to be accepted). I would think that the Spartans would accept the best of Army and Marine regulars, as well as the best operators from each branch’s Special Forces, as well as the best ONI Field Agents. Otherwise, I wonder why some who really shouldn’t have experience to justify their presence among the Spartan candidates became ones.
This also falls back to the whole independent Spartan Branch thing: why exactly do the Spartans need their own operational support teams (Miller, Dalton, and (shudders) Palmer?) Spartans should be in the field making a difference, not getting augmented into a Super-soldier that ends up serving as tech support. Nor do they really have their own fleet, air force, or logistical projection capability to really distinguish themselves from the other branches. I could see it if the Spartans fell outside regular chains of command, but to be their own branch is ludicrous IMO.
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> No S-IV will ever be a match for an S-II, and likely no S-III.
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> That said, qualms about the quality of the S-IV’s aside, in comparison to the II’s and III’s, as well as their varied personal disposition (from highly professional and highly disciplined to much more questionable and undisciplined) and greater tendency for subversion into the Insurrection (1 S-II washout who was shown to be very distressed, frustrated, and confused due to his situation is the only Spartan of either the II or III models to ever fall in with the Insurrection (and who didn’t ever actually join the Insurrection, albeit intending to do so) compared to the 4+ S-IV’s (that we’re aware of) who have turned against the UNSC), they are still far superior to any baseline human. The more we have of them, the better off humanity will be.
Both of these claims are flat out wrong. And that’s not my opinion. That’s a fact.
Then explain how it’s a fact. When you can explain, objectively, how an S-IV is on the same level as a III and especially a II, I’ll revert my opinion. Until then, what you have is also opinion.
Its like Halsey creating Spartans to stop human insurrectionists when it wasn’t needed imo
Now we have Spartan IVs post human-covenant war and they seem entirely not needed
Unless the Promethean threat turns into a bigger issue turning all of humanity into spartans seems cool but totally pointless
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> Then explain how it’s a fact. When you can explain, objectively, how an S-IV is on the same level as a III and especially a II, I’ll revert my opinion. Until then, what you have is also opinion.
Except it’s not. Frankie has been on record numerous times stating that in armor a IV is equal to a II. As for the III’s, Kurt (a Spartan II) specifically stated that Gamma Company were the finest Spartans ever. Noble 6 (a Spartan III) was the only Spartan aside from Chief with a hyper lethal rating. The III’s also had better training than the II’s.
So no, what I have isn’t an opinion. They’re facts.
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> Its like Halsey creating Spartans to stop human insurrectionists when it wasn’t needed imo
> Now we have Spartan IVs post human-covenant war and they seem entirely not needed
> Unless the Promethean threat turns into a bigger issue turning all of humanity into spartans seems cool but totally pointless
How so? There’s still threats from covenant remnants, prometheans, the flood, and who knows what else? A S-IV is many times more useful on the battlefield than a marine or ODST, even those who aren’t anywhere as skilled as other generations. It also has none of the moral issues the S-II’s/III’s did.
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> I was just wondering how everyone feels about the fact that we are on the 4th iteration of Spartans? Does it ruin the romanticized aspect of the Spartan II’s as legendary soldiers? Or do you just see them as a poor mans master chief?
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> Personally, im a bit conflicted, I like that humanity continues to evolve and I know this is their next stage of evolution in the Halo universe, but their was something cool about just having these specific people that had godlike status.
The reason it doesn’t affect their special ness is because the SIII’s were already building the world in that direction; they were never special after the SII program so its not the IVs that ruined that it was the 900 plus SIII’s that were invariably killed off.