To those who say they are "Halo Fans"

Games Halo 5: Guardians
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I don’t know if this bugs anybody else but when I read “This game just doesn’t seem like Halo & i’m a Halo fan since CE…” it’s starting to get to the point where I ask all of the real life long fans to help educate these guys. It’s not that hard to go on youtube or pick up a book and read about the lore behind the games and realize that Spartans are much more than what the first trilogy of gameplay made them out to be. They aren’t just a just a jog around, point and shoot type of soldier that gameplay limited them to be. As said they are more like a tank combined with the speed and agility of a fighter jet, which is now being more accurately displayed in game and cinematics rather than on paper alone. This is not Halo of the past, it isn’t Bungie’s’ Halo anymore, all glory to those days but gameplay can’t be the same forever or who would play it.

Anyway I don’t know, everyone has an opinion and is entitled to that but at least try to understand the reasoning behind the advancements and not try to poo poo them all the time.

Sincerely,

A Halo fan ;^)

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I got in to the lore around Halo 3 (I’ve read all but two books including comics) and I started playing Halo when CE came out. I can tell you right now that the way 343 is depicting Spartan is very accurate.

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> I don’t know if this bugs anybody else but when I read “This game just doesn’t seem like Halo & i’m a Halo fan since CE…” it’s starting to get to the point where I ask all of the real life long fans to help educate these guys. It’s not that hard to go on youtube or pick up a book and read about the lore behind the games and realize that Spartans are much more than what the first trilogy of gameplay made them out to be. They aren’t just a just a jog around, point and shoot type of soldier that gameplay limited them to be. As said they are more like a tank combined with the speed and agility of a fighter jet, which is now being more accurately displayed in game and cinematics rather than on paper alone. This is not Halo of the past, it isn’t Bungie’s’ Halo anymore, all glory to those days but gameplay can’t be the same forever or who would play it.
>
> Anyway I don’t know, everyone has an opinion and is entitled to that but at least try to understand the reasoning behind the advancements and not try to poo poo them all the time.
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> Sincerely,
> A Halo fan ;^)

Me.

I would play it. And many many others would too.

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I honestly don’t care what the books have to say. The books don’t have to be followed word for word. In fact, if they did rely on the books word for word, gameplay would suffer greatly (IMO it already has suffered greatly).

You don’t see a lot of the stuff J. K. Rowling wrote in the Harry Potter books in the movies. Want to know why? Because no one wants to sit there for a 4+ hour movie. They had to cut out some of the more obscure characters and events to fit it within a reasonable amount of movie time, even having to split the last movie into 2 because there was too much to cover reasonably in one movie.

343 should be doing the same when it comes to gameplay. Trim the unnecessary “fat” from the books and other media to help support better and less gimmicky gameplay (because, you know, they’re not just making a story, they’re making a game). If the cutscene is any indication of how easy it is to charge through covenant infantry, ghosts, and wraiths, the abilities are going to make the game a cakewalk.

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> > I don’t know if this bugs anybody else but when I read “This game just doesn’t seem like Halo & i’m a Halo fan since CE…” it’s starting to get to the point where I ask all of the real life long fans to help educate these guys. It’s not that hard to go on youtube or pick up a book and read about the lore behind the games and realize that Spartans are much more than what the first trilogy of gameplay made them out to be. They aren’t just a just a jog around, point and shoot type of soldier that gameplay limited them to be. As said they are more like a tank combined with the speed and agility of a fighter jet, which is now being more accurately displayed in game and cinematics rather than on paper alone. This is not Halo of the past, it isn’t Bungie’s’ Halo anymore, all glory to those days but gameplay can’t be the same forever or who would play it.
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> > Anyway I don’t know, everyone has an opinion and is entitled to that but at least try to understand the reasoning behind the advancements and not try to poo poo them all the time.
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> > Sincerely,
> > A Halo fan ;^)
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> Me.
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> I would play it. And many many others would too.

Mcc and the old games are still there for purchase go play them.

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> > > I don’t know if this bugs anybody else but when I read “This game just doesn’t seem like Halo & i’m a Halo fan since CE…” it’s starting to get to the point where I ask all of the real life long fans to help educate these guys. It’s not that hard to go on youtube or pick up a book and read about the lore behind the games and realize that Spartans are much more than what the first trilogy of gameplay made them out to be. They aren’t just a just a jog around, point and shoot type of soldier that gameplay limited them to be. As said they are more like a tank combined with the speed and agility of a fighter jet, which is now being more accurately displayed in game and cinematics rather than on paper alone. This is not Halo of the past, it isn’t Bungie’s’ Halo anymore, all glory to those days but gameplay can’t be the same forever or who would play it.
> > >
> > > Anyway I don’t know, everyone has an opinion and is entitled to that but at least try to understand the reasoning behind the advancements and not try to poo poo them all the time.
> > >
> > > Sincerely,
> > > A Halo fan ;^)
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> >
> > Me.
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> > I would play it. And many many others would too.
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> Mcc and the old games are still there for purchase go play them.

The typewriter is also still fully functional and available for purchase. Why don’t you get up off your keyboard and type up all your forum posts on one of those instead?

I shouldn’t have to tell you why that’s such a stupid cop out answer to use on anyone who doesn’t agree with this new direction, so that bit of satire should be able to show you just how dumb it sounds on the receiving end.

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So reading the books is what makes you a true Halo fan? I’ve read all the books too, but I’m also aware they came after the original game. My first impression of Halo was CE in 2001, therefore that is what Halo “feels” to me. The majority of all my stimulation, experiences and memories come from the original trilogy, so of course that is how Halo would feel to me.

Yes, I’ve read the books, but they are not what I think of when I think of Halo. When I think of Halo, I think split-screen LAN parties with my siblings and cousins. I think of an Arena style FPS with a challenging skill gap, that demonstrates who is stronger and weaker, and makes you want to get better. I think of wacky custom games where all that aforementioned stuff didn’t matter.

I don’t think of Chief running from a Jet and punching a missile out of the sky, or Blue Team systematically and silently “removing” a whole training team… Well, sometimes I do, cause that stuff was awesome. But, you get my point. Before anything else, Halo is a game with everything that comes with that, including limitations, unlike a book which is only limited by its author’s imagination.

So, if a newcomer comes up to me and asks me what “true Halo” feels like, I won’t point them to the books, I’ll point them to an Xbox and tell them to play the original trilogy.

EDIT: It has been pointed out several times that TFOR came out before CE. This was cleared up on Page 3. There is no need to keep posting about it.

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Fans come in all different kinds. Just because someone is not as invested in the EU as another doesn’t necessarily make them less of a fan. It make make them a fan with a less complete viewpoint with less background information to draw from but that doesn’t negate their fan-ness. :slight_smile:

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> > > > I don’t know if this bugs anybody else but when I read “This game just doesn’t seem like Halo & i’m a Halo fan since CE…” it’s starting to get to the point where I ask all of the real life long fans to help educate these guys. It’s not that hard to go on youtube or pick up a book and read about the lore behind the games and realize that Spartans are much more than what the first trilogy of gameplay made them out to be. They aren’t just a just a jog around, point and shoot type of soldier that gameplay limited them to be. As said they are more like a tank combined with the speed and agility of a fighter jet, which is now being more accurately displayed in game and cinematics rather than on paper alone. This is not Halo of the past, it isn’t Bungie’s’ Halo anymore, all glory to those days but gameplay can’t be the same forever or who would play it.
> > > >
> > > > Anyway I don’t know, everyone has an opinion and is entitled to that but at least try to understand the reasoning behind the advancements and not try to poo poo them all the time.
> > > >
> > > > Sincerely,
> > > > A Halo fan ;^)
> > >
> > >
> > > Me.
> > >
> > > I would play it. And many many others would too.
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> >
> > Mcc and the old games are still there for purchase go play them.
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> The typewriter is also still fully functional and available for purchase. Why don’t you get up off your keyboard and type up all your forum posts on one of those instead?
>
> I shouldn’t have to tell you why that’s such a stupid cop out answer to use on anyone who doesn’t agree with this new direction, so that bit of satire should be able to show you just how dumb it sounds on the receiving end.

Games heck everything evolves believe or not. We aren’t living in the game boy days anymore. The way games play have evolved the way they look have evolved. Halo is just one more thing that is evolving so get over it.
No matter what company we would have making the new trilogy, bungie or 343 would have changed and evolved halo in every way possible.

If you still want to get that feel that’s so far up your behinds the old games are still there for you to enjoy, the new games do not have to be like the old ones and they shouldn’t.

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> > > > > I don’t know if this bugs anybody else but when I read “This game just doesn’t seem like Halo & i’m a Halo fan since CE…” it’s starting to get to the point where I ask all of the real life long fans to help educate these guys. It’s not that hard to go on youtube or pick up a book and read about the lore behind the games and realize that Spartans are much more than what the first trilogy of gameplay made them out to be. They aren’t just a just a jog around, point and shoot type of soldier that gameplay limited them to be. As said they are more like a tank combined with the speed and agility of a fighter jet, which is now being more accurately displayed in game and cinematics rather than on paper alone. This is not Halo of the past, it isn’t Bungie’s’ Halo anymore, all glory to those days but gameplay can’t be the same forever or who would play it.
> > > > >
> > > > > Anyway I don’t know, everyone has an opinion and is entitled to that but at least try to understand the reasoning behind the advancements and not try to poo poo them all the time.
> > > > >
> > > > > Sincerely,
> > > > > A Halo fan ;^)
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Me.
> > > >
> > > > I would play it. And many many others would too.
> > >
> > >
> > > Mcc and the old games are still there for purchase go play them.
> >
> >
> > The typewriter is also still fully functional and available for purchase. Why don’t you get up off your keyboard and type up all your forum posts on one of those instead?
> >
> > I shouldn’t have to tell you why that’s such a stupid cop out answer to use on anyone who doesn’t agree with this new direction, so that bit of satire should be able to show you just how dumb it sounds on the receiving end.
>
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> Games heck everything evolves believe or not. We aren’t living in the game boy days anymore. The way games play have evolved the way they look have evolved. Halo is just one more thing that is evolving so get over it.
> No matter what company we would have making the new trilogy, bungie or 343 would have changed and evolved halo in every way possible.
>
> If you still want to get that feel that’s so far up your behinds the old games are still there for you to enjoy, the new games do not have to be like the old ones and they shouldn’t.

You do realise that the term “evolve” doesn’t mean to get better, right? It just means to adapt to one’s surroundings.

Halo isn’t getting better, it’s just making a series of very un-innovative changes in order to get a stake in the Call of Duty/Battlefield market, which turns a quick profit at low risk, at the price of its community, population and longevity.

EDIT: Huh. Maybe it really is “evolving” then :wink:

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There are 2 video game series where I was attached to the story and loved to play campaign-
Halo, and Spyro the Dragon. If you don’t know Spyro the Dragon was licensed off to other publishers who completely ruined the franchise. Trust me, 343i is doing way better than anyone else would do with Halo.

Also, I’m a huge Halo fan. In fact, I don’t care what 343i adds to Halo as long as the game is still called Halo.

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Sigh, you realize that there are plenty of people who have read those books and extra materials in addition to playing the games who come away with a different impression of “what Spartans can actually do…”?

As impressive looking as cutscene we just saw was, that is not the impression of Spartans that I or others came away with. That cutscene portrayed them as marvel superheroes where my interpretation of them is that of what amounts to elite soldiers, the most elite soldiers in the galaxy to be sure, but still soldiers, IE not people charging straight into enemy formations at mach 10 and easily running through the second best soldiers in galaxy(taken as an average, obviously some individuals are as good or better) aka Elites.

Spartans have absolutely done some awe inspiring things in other parts of Halo media, but they were hardly the near infallible gods of war they were portrayed as being in the cutscene.

With that in mind, if you think you are going to pull of anything even close to that in cutscene in actual gameplay you are deluding yourself. I’m sure there will be awesome gameplay moment(there were in the old games too), but nothing will even come close to that cutscene. In fact the way Spartans have been portrayed lately, it puts the gameplay even farther away from how “real” spartans would perform even with the additions.

Chasing the ‘lore’ in gameplay is a never ending goal that will get us nowhere. If you try and build your game around “what Spartans would be able to do” instead of “would this be good for gameplay” or “would this feel at home in a Halo game” its just not going to end. Do we add prone next? Clearly Spartans would be able to go prone… Or, Spartans wouldn’t let themselves simply be punched by one another, they would engage in hand to hand combat so we should add that too. Of course neither of those things takes gameplay into account or the problems they can entail.

You are the one who is ignorant if you think everyone with complaints simply hasn’t read any of the extended media.

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> Chasing the ‘lore’ in gameplay is a never ending goal that will get us nowhere. If you try and build your game around “what Spartans would be able to do” instead of “would this be good for gameplay” or “would this feel at home in a Halo game” its just not going to end.

Captures beautifully what I was trying to getting across in my original comment :slight_smile:

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The worst is when someone is complaining about and then has the nerves to say “All the true Halo fans would agree with me.” I’m a halo fan with my own opinion and do not share such a ridiculous nitpick opinion so stop saying that. It’s like saying I’m either not a halo fan or I have to agree with him.

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> So reading the books is what makes you a true Halo fan? I’ve read all the books too, but I’m also aware they came after the original game. My first impression of Halo was CE in 2001, therefore that is what Halo “feels” to me. The majority of all my stimulation, experiences and memories come from the original trilogy, so of course that is how Halo would feel to me.
>
> Yes, I’ve read the books, but they are not what I think of when I think of Halo. When I think of Halo, I think split-screen LAN parties with my siblings and cousins. I think of an Arena style FPS with a challenging skill gap, that demonstrates who is stronger and weaker, and makes you want to get better. I think of wacky custom games where all that aforementioned stuff didn’t matter.
>
> I don’t think of Chief running from a Jet and punching a missile out of the sky, or Blue Team systematically and silently “removing” a whole training team… Well, sometimes I do, cause that stuff was awesome. But, you get my point. Before anything else, Halo is a game with everything that comes with that, including limitations, unlike a book which is only limited by its author’s imagination.
>
> So, if a newcomer comes up to me and asks me what “true Halo” feels like, I won’t point them to the books, I’ll point them to an Xbox and tell them to play the original trilogy.

No i’m not saying if you haven’t read anything you’re not a fan, what i’m saying is it’s not the worst thing in the world that the game is changing a little gameplay-wise. Like I said in my original post everyone is entitled to their own opinion but my own is just one that’s just not so afraid of losing the nostalgic slow-paced gameplay for a faster paced game. I see all your points and respect them my friend, those were just my own, no harm to anybody that likes that slow-paced game.

In all honestly the post was meant for the trolls that poo poo our game and try to slander it for being something it isn’t (i.e. thrust packs, sprint, ads). It’s like, to me at least, there’s nothing wrong with making the characters in the game be able to do what “Cal” in Halo Legends: The Babysitter could do, you know. My fault though if my original post came off the wrong way, no harm intended.

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> > > > > > I don’t know if this bugs anybody else but when I read “This game just doesn’t seem like Halo & i’m a Halo fan since CE…” it’s starting to get to the point where I ask all of the real life long fans to help educate these guys. It’s not that hard to go on youtube or pick up a book and read about the lore behind the games and realize that Spartans are much more than what the first trilogy of gameplay made them out to be. They aren’t just a just a jog around, point and shoot type of soldier that gameplay limited them to be. As said they are more like a tank combined with the speed and agility of a fighter jet, which is now being more accurately displayed in game and cinematics rather than on paper alone. This is not Halo of the past, it isn’t Bungie’s’ Halo anymore, all glory to those days but gameplay can’t be the same forever or who would play it.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Anyway I don’t know, everyone has an opinion and is entitled to that but at least try to understand the reasoning behind the advancements and not try to poo poo them all the time.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Sincerely,
> > > > > > A Halo fan ;^)
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Me.
> > > > >
> > > > > I would play it. And many many others would too.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Mcc and the old games are still there for purchase go play them.
> > >
> > >
> > > The typewriter is also still fully functional and available for purchase. Why don’t you get up off your keyboard and type up all your forum posts on one of those instead?
> > >
> > > I shouldn’t have to tell you why that’s such a stupid cop out answer to use on anyone who doesn’t agree with this new direction, so that bit of satire should be able to show you just how dumb it sounds on the receiving end.
> >
> >
> > Games heck everything evolves believe or not. We aren’t living in the game boy days anymore. The way games play have evolved the way they look have evolved. Halo is just one more thing that is evolving so get over it.
> > No matter what company we would have making the new trilogy, bungie or 343 would have changed and evolved halo in every way possible.
> >
> > If you still want to get that feel that’s so far up your behinds the old games are still there for you to enjoy, the new games do not have to be like the old ones and they shouldn’t.
>
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> You do realise that the term “evolve” doesn’t mean to get better, right? It just means to adapt to one’s surroundings.
>
> Halo isn’t getting better, it’s just making a series of very un-innovative changes in order to get a stake in the Call of Duty/Battlefield/Modern Arcade FPS market, which turns a quick profit at low risk, at the price of its community, population and longevity.

Ah but you’re wrong it is getting better, you also seem to not have a clear definition of the word innovate so here it is

“make changes in something established, especially by introducing new methods, ideas, or products.”

You can use the un-innovative excuse on something like halo 4 because they did change it completely instead of adding new ideas to something that was established. However that excuse does not work on halo 5 because its not halo 4.

Halo always had some level of vertical gameplay and you were able to jump on ledges and what not without climbing but you couldn’t do it to everything. That was established so let us take a look at halo 5, I’m positive you can still jump on ledges without climbing but they decided to add in clamber as a means to allow you to get to places you normally wouldn’t have been able to in the past games thus improving the vertical gameplay.

Smart link was a system in the old games that allowed you zoom into your opponents right? Smart link and zoom are still in the game but 343 decided to add in smart scope to the already established zoom to make it better.

Sprinting, master chief in a few cutscenes in the old games would sprint to escape or to hurry and go to wherever he needed to go. That made sprinting something that was already established in halo even though we weren’t allowed to Sprint during gameplay until bungie released sprint as an armor ability in halo reach. Since that made sprinting more established in the halo universe 343 decided to fully implement it in game. Not to mention there’s a penalty for sprinting. Same thing for sliding, it was in the cutscenes of the old games but we couldn’t slide in the gameplay until now.

Strafing, moving side to side, front and back was always used as a means to avoid being shot at in the old games correct? It was slow and very clunky but it was an established part of the gameplay. Those normal strafing movements are still in the game but guess what? To add onto that established part of the gameplay 343 added thrusters to help improve and introduce something new to strafing that halo has. The thrusters in no way shape or form are the same thing that is in cod aw or bo3 and in no way do they perform the same way either. The thruster pack in halo 5 gives you a small boost in one direction and once used you have to wait a couple of seconds before you can use it again.

The run and melee. Again since we were able to run at an opponent and melee then for a kill in the old games that made it an established feature right? That’s still in the game but 343 added the thrusters to it to improve on it and make it better. That addition isn’t a one hit kill except if you do it from behind it’s just an extension of the melee system.

Ground pound okay you got me here, that wasn’t anything that was established in the previous games. However I wil say it does make you extremely vulnerable because you are hovering in one place whie you align the circle onto your moving target. Unless the target’s shield is down it isn’t a one hit kil.

Arena styled multiplayer. Something that was established in the old halo games. It was team oriented but if you were good enough you could lone wolf murder beats anyone (I’ve done it plenty as I never was big on team play). Halo 5s arena is still team oriented and the things they added into the gameplay improve arena by making it faster paced and more fluid.

The way team osirs was depicted in the opening cinematic was something that has been established in the books. Heck master cheif did more amazing things by himself in the old games but no one said a word about what he did being “over the top” or “doesn’t feel like halo”. But when 343 shows it it’s “over the top” and “doesn’t seem very halo to me”

I could go on but this post is long enough. Everything they have put in halo 5 gameplay wise is just adding onto something that was established which is them being innovative.

They aren’t copying anything or anyone these ideas they have added may not be entirely new but they are new to halo. if you want to play halo 5 in the same way you’ve been playing the old games you can as long as you aren’t as bad as the person in that gamespot video.

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> > So reading the books is what makes you a true Halo fan? I’ve read all the books too, but I’m also aware they came after the original game. My first impression of Halo was CE in 2001, therefore that is what Halo “feels” to me. The majority of all my stimulation, experiences and memories come from the original trilogy, so of course that is how Halo would feel to me.
> >
> > Yes, I’ve read the books, but they are not what I think of when I think of Halo. When I think of Halo, I think split-screen LAN parties with my siblings and cousins. I think of an Arena style FPS with a challenging skill gap, that demonstrates who is stronger and weaker, and makes you want to get better. I think of wacky custom games where all that aforementioned stuff didn’t matter.
> >
> > I don’t think of Chief running from a Jet and punching a missile out of the sky, or Blue Team systematically and silently “removing” a whole training team… Well, sometimes I do, cause that stuff was awesome. But, you get my point. Before anything else, Halo is a game with everything that comes with that, including limitations, unlike a book which is only limited by its author’s imagination.
> >
> > So, if a newcomer comes up to me and asks me what “true Halo” feels like, I won’t point them to the books, I’ll point them to an Xbox and tell them to play the original trilogy.
>
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> No i’m not saying if you haven’t read anything you’re not a fan, what i’m saying is it’s not the worst thing in the world that the game is changing a little gameplay-wise. Like I said in my original post everyone is entitled to their own opinion but my own is just one that’s just not so afraid of losing the nostalgic slow-paced gameplay for a faster paced game. I see all your points and respect them my friend, those were just my own, no harm to anybody that likes that slow-paced game.
>
> In all honestly the post was meant for the trolls that poo poo our game and try to slander it for being something it isn’t (i.e. thrust packs, sprint, ads). It’s like, to me at least, there’s nothing wrong with making the characters in the game be able to do what “Cal” in Halo Legends: The Babysitter could do, you know. My fault though if my original post came off the wrong way, no harm intended.

Not at all, sorry If I came across a little aggressive! I respect your opinion too.

My point is, Halo isn’t just getting a “little more fast-paced” or a “little more modern”, it is instead becoming a little more like every other console shooter out there. Why? Because they know that, in an industry where taking a risk is becoming more and more taboo, those games sell. They know that making a game like that will turn a profit at a low risk.
Sure, Halo is becoming faster and more modern, but now if I have want to play a slower, more skilled arena-style game, I don’t have that choice. We have lost variety. Halo no longer fills a niche, and is becoming just like everything else.

Why should I play Halo over Call of Duty or Battlefield? Now that game play is less and less of a reason, it’s only the fact that I’m invested in the characters and universe that keeps me coming back. But the same can’t be said for the average gamer out there, whose knowledge of Halo is probably pretty limited.

Therefore, Halo’s longevity, population and passionate community is slowly dwindling, in my opinion.

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> > I don’t know if this bugs anybody else but when I read “This game just doesn’t seem like Halo & i’m a Halo fan since CE…” it’s starting to get to the point where I ask all of the real life long fans to help educate these guys. It’s not that hard to go on youtube or pick up a book and read about the lore behind the games and realize that Spartans are much more than what the first trilogy of gameplay made them out to be. They aren’t just a just a jog around, point and shoot type of soldier that gameplay limited them to be. As said they are more like a tank combined with the speed and agility of a fighter jet, which is now being more accurately displayed in game and cinematics rather than on paper alone. This is not Halo of the past, it isn’t Bungie’s’ Halo anymore, all glory to those days but gameplay can’t be the same forever or who would play it.
> >
> > Anyway I don’t know, everyone has an opinion and is entitled to that but at least try to understand the reasoning behind the advancements and not try to poo poo them all the time.
> >
> > Sincerely,
> > A Halo fan ;^)
>
>
> Me.
>
> I would play it. And many many others would too.

Respectively I agree with you that I probably would too out of love for the game, and maybe I worded this original post wrong but like the MCC that gameplay would start to get stale after awhile. Idk judging by how much Halo 3 is picked over every other game in BTB your point has significant weight behind it as well… All I was really saying in that was it wouldn’t be awful to maneuver around like a spartan from the books or animated cartoons because it would make for new ways of engagement and strategies to play with.

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> The worst is when someone is complaining about and then has the nerves to say “All the true Halo fans would agree with me.” I’m a halo fan with my own opinion and do not share such a ridiculous nitpick opinion so stop saying that. It’s like saying I’m either not a halo fan or I have to agree with him.

No true Scotsman.
It’s basically a way for someone to say their opinion is better without having a rational debate as to why. If that’s their argument, then they’ve already lost.

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Please educate me on Halo’s history please, I need this in my life.