Why? Last time i checked Halo’s 1-3 were way more popular than Halo:Reach. Lets face it, i get on Friday night and Saturday, and I never see any more than about 100,000, and a lot of the times not even that, Halo is dying. On Halo 3 there were 100,000+ everytime I got on. Everything in Halo 3 multiplayer, is better than Reach multiplayer. Now we have every element that, in my opinion, ruined the Halo multiplayer coming back in the next installment.
The reason Halo was always more competitive was because it was gun on gun. If you were more intelligent or had better gun skills you would win. In Halo 3, for example, there were certain jumps you could perform to out-manuever your opponent, now they can just jetpack. Most of the things, nade spots, jumps, drop downs, spawn times, and many more, in Halo 3 added an extra layer of skill to learn and develop, all that is gone.
In my opinion, Halo was always competetive and did not change simply because the casual community would get stomped by competitive team because that’s the way its supposed to be. It was fair because all a casual gamer had to do to get better was challenge himself.
Basically, I believe that all these new things that are supposedly “innovative” is just a mad grab at the portion of casual gamers that diverted to Cod. However, I think they seriously misjudged how this would affect the portion of the community that stayed. They need to make the old system better and not make an entirely new one. Because with every addition they make I do not want to buy it more and more.
Do you agree or disagree? Please tell me what you think they should do or why the route there are taking is the right one.
Halo Reach changed a badly and it was by BUNGIE not 343i this is a new trilogy they can do it their own and better
Can they? Looks to me like they are following in Bungie’s footsteps and throwing in a little mix of Cod. The Halo 1-3 feel was original, then they added AA’s (not original) and the game got worse. Then they added in bloom (their version of recoil) and the game suffered a lot. Now they are taking the Cod system of multiplayer (unlockables, class setup, recoil.) NOT ORIGINAL. However people still seem to think that 343 is capable when the only true original thing they are doing is Spartan Ops.
> Can they? Looks to me like they are following in Bungie’s footsteps and throwing in a little mix of Cod. The Halo 1-3 feel was original, then they added AA’s (not original) and the game got worse. Then they added in bloom (their version of recoil) and the game suffered a lot. Now they are taking the Cod system of multiplayer (unlockables, class setup, recoil.) NOT ORIGINAL. However people still seem to think that 343 is capable when the only true original thing they are doing is Spartan Ops.
Oh I didn’t know you had a copy of Halo 4 let me see it! 
> Can they? Looks to me like they are following in Bungie’s footsteps and throwing in a little mix of Cod. The Halo 1-3 feel was original, then they added AA’s (not original) and the game got worse. Then they added in bloom (their version of recoil) and the game suffered a lot. Now they are taking the Cod system of multiplayer (unlockables, class setup, recoil.) NOT ORIGINAL. However people still seem to think that 343 is capable when the only true original thing they are doing is Spartan Ops.
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Fearing change is foolish… change is inevitable. Halo has been changing since the get-go. Halo 2 is a very different beast then Halo CE, and Halo 3 introduced a lot of new concepts and features like equipment. Imo Reach is not that drastically different then Halo 3.
I am sure that with Halo 4, some change will be good, and some change will be bad.
> Can they? Looks to me like they are following in Bungie’s footsteps and throwing in a little mix of Cod. The Halo 1-3 feel was original, then they added AA’s (not original) and the game got worse. Then they added in bloom (their version of recoil) and the game suffered a lot. Now they are taking the Cod system of multiplayer (unlockables, class setup, recoil.) NOT ORIGINAL. However people still seem to think that 343 is capable when the only true original thing they are doing is Spartan Ops.
So you feel like the halo community is dying.
Because there is nothing original in the game series.
Tell you what.
Tons of stuff aren’t original. They aren’t copied. They are inspired.
There are only less people playing HALO because it was so iconic that it changed that face of FPS and there are now alot more because of that fact for people to choose from.
Most people I know play CoD now (Which I HATE)
AND Reach is AWESOME!!!
It nicely rounded off the game set for me and even if 343 hadn’t taken up the mantel I would continue to play REACH rather than move on from HALO.
Ok, i dont need a copy of H4 all of that is confirmed. Next, I am not whining and i do not fear evolution. But I fear change, because by its meaning, it is not always a good thing and that was proven in H:R.
It’s hard to say. The changes they are implementing are huge but I am not convinced they are Halo breaking changes. I will say that I believe each Halo game has had changes. Some of those changes I have absolutely loved, some that I absolutely hated. Change for change sake is never a good idea. However keeping the status-quo just not to rock the boat isn’t a way to innovate either. I really think 343 has the challenge to make the changes mean something but not get in the way of the Halo experience. I am eager to see what changes and what “old-reliables” await us in Halo 4. I really hope that the “Halo Feel” is still present as they have said it is. If it is not they would have missed a HUGE opportunity to continue to fill a niche in the gaming market. Halo is special, in my mind anyway.
I agree that there is not very many things “original”. However, the items listed are copied. Bloom was inspired by recoil, well, it failed. Badly. But they should not be ispired by a game because is sells good. They need to get inspiration from quality games. Cause if have not noticed, the only reason Cod sells so good is because its easy. That is not Halo. Halo can be easy but it used to have that aspect of skill that no other game can match.
> It’s hard to say. The changes they are implementing are huge but I am not convinced they are Halo breaking changes. I will say that I believe each Halo game has had changes. Some of those changes I have absolutely loved, some that I absolutely hated. Change for change sake is never a good idea. However keeping the status-quo just not to rock the boat isn’t a way to innovate either. I really think 343 has the challenge to make the changes mean something but not get in the way of the Halo experience. I am eager to see what changes and what “old-reliables” await us in Halo 4. I really hope that the “Halo Feel” is still present as they have said it is. If it is not they would have missed a HUGE opportunity to continue to fill a niche in the gaming market. Halo is special, in my mind anyway.
I agree 100%. I am just very discouraged by what has been said so far.
OP is a prime example of a person who doesn’t look at all factors into the equation.
It’s been proven Halo 3 had more players and such then Halo 2 did. Yet Halo 2 was the #1 game for it’s time, Because Halo 2 was the only good game out, that was worth playing.
Halo 2 also brought in a huge following. Xbox Live (360 mostly) became more popular because of the spark Halo 2 had given us.
Halo 3 is the most popular really. Yet again Halo Reach isn’t far behind, infact not at all. Also Halo Reach has more games to compete with then Halo 3 ever had.
Not only does Halo Reach have Halo 3 (A HALO GAME ITSELF) Call of Duty MW2, MW3 (Mod Warefare 1, assuming it’s online) Battle Field 2, Battle Field 3, It’s not even something you can argue. Halo Reach had more weight to deal with, still does good, as well as the fact it was when Bungie and 343 switched with itself caused a huge upset.
COD games are all the same, not hard to please people who KNOW every game will pretty much play the same. It’s a win for them, long as it’s fans are stupid enough to think it’s worth 60 bucks. Halo 1, 2, 3, Reach are all diffrent, in many ways, and it divides fans up. Some of us like all the Halo games and know when to play each. I’ve adapted to each title, I can play any game.
The weight of your heresy will stay your feet. And you shall be left behind.
> > It’s hard to say. The changes they are implementing are huge but I am not convinced they are Halo breaking changes. I will say that I believe each Halo game has had changes. Some of those changes I have absolutely loved, some that I absolutely hated. Change for change sake is never a good idea. However keeping the status-quo just not to rock the boat isn’t a way to innovate either. I really think 343 has the challenge to make the changes mean something but not get in the way of the Halo experience. I am eager to see what changes and what “old-reliables” await us in Halo 4. I really hope that the “Halo Feel” is still present as they have said it is. If it is not they would have missed a HUGE opportunity to continue to fill a niche in the gaming market. Halo is special, in my mind anyway.
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> I agree 100%. I am just very discouraged by what has been said so far.
I understand that. I am still trusting what we’ve been told. That it does still feel like Halo and that we are only privy to a fraction of what Halo 4 is all about currently. I hope 343 rises to the occasion and knocks it out of the park. The gaming market really needs Halo…I know I do. It is my go to series and I want that to continue for years to come.
I get mod status if what I’ve been saying about Halo 4 comes true and it sucks. I’m just saying…
One of the most hated things bout COD isn’t the gameplay, it’s how popular each game is even when almost nothing changes in the multiplayer. It’s like they are buying the same game over and over. Halo is moving away from CoD by making different games everytime. You can deny this but Halo was becoming CoD by having practically the same multiplayer for 4 games. Reach changed it up making it (in my opinion) a bit worse than the other games. Who’s to say 343i, a whole new company, won’t change it up positively. I don’t want Halo to become CoD and that’s exactly what YOU want it to become by keeping it the same.
> I get mod status if what I’ve been saying about Halo 4 comes true and it sucks. I’m just saying…
Nope,
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YOU GET NOTHING!!!
343 did not make Reach so don’t put Bungie’s mistakes on 343. It’s 343i’s first game. Give them a break. If it sucks, don’t buy it and wait for Halo 5. At this point there’s nothing we can do to change their mind. Those changes they’ve made, it’s done, there’s no turning back now.