…it’s only the veteran players that see a problem with Halo 4.
I’m sick of the new community saying; "If you don’t like the game then don’t play it"
It’s illogical. For people like me, who have been playing the series since the very first Halo came out, I’m not gonna just “stop playing it” and see such a great universe go down the drain.
343i really needs to start listening to their community. They have been awfully quite lately.
/endrant
I’m a veteran player and I have no problem with the changes, it’s fresh and helps eliminate stagnation. Sure, there are things that need a little adjusting but every Halo release after Halo CE has had a TU that has brought some kind of major change to the field.
I’ve been playing since Halo: CE was released on the original Xbox, my friends and I would go to each other’s houses and play until sunset after school. Not every veteran player has a problem with Halo 4, only the ones who seem to be caught up in Nostalgia and seem to not even attempt to give the game the chance.
I’m not generalizing, because I know not every veteran player is like that. But, in my opinion that is what it is. Just chill out and wait for a TU before knocking the game, these things take more than two weeks after launch to work out you know.
You don’t have to stop playing it, just be a little more patient and wait for 343i to at least make an attempt at addressing whatever it is in particular that you have a problem with.
You should focus more on addressing the issues with the game and being constructive about it, opposed to coming out and appearing to just be making another hate thread. The way you word things has more power than you think. 343i would be more likely to read a well constructed thread pointing out problems and potential fixes, opposed to a thread claiming “OMG HALO IS DEAD!!!111!” or “THIS GAME IS BROEKN!!!1!”
To OP: I think you’re misunderstood.
By the definition of Veteran, I am a veteran of Halo 4 and I absolutely love the game. A lot of people love the game but those people are online playing it while all the haters are ranting on the forums. So all you see is negative threads.
The reason why the community is saying “If you don’t like it, don’t play it” is usually in response to a lot of troll threads or hate threads that simply state “HALO IS DEAD BECAUSE BR IS 5 SHOT!!!111!”. There is no mature way of delivering that argument, and there is no constructive criticism. So hate posts get hate replies.
Now if someone said “I think the game could be improved if we did this, or how about this? What do you think? etc etc” then you’ll get a lot of constructive criticism and discussion in return.
The “dont like it, don’t play it” is a response to those people who would probably be better off not playing Halo 4 then being all negative and hateful. Honestly I’ve read these forums and seen users exaggerate that Halo is broken, unfinished, dead, horrible and even state that 343i employees should be hung all because it isn’t exactly the way they want it.
That kind of attitude doesn’t belong on Waypoint.
have to agree with nutcase reborn
New community?
I’ve played halo for over a decade, I played every Halo game, and I am not some Halo Chump. Nothing is perfect. But Halo 4 has breathed new air into my Halo life for me. The only thing missing is that a lot of my friends are too broke to buy the game. And some don’t seem to play till 1 in the morning during weekdays. So my motivation to play is low. Other than that I have very few issues.
Sorry If my tenure of the entire Halo life span wasn’t long enough to count me as a veteran.
There are alot more issues and updates to the game that need to be made to the game, more so they any other Halo title I’ve played at launch.
The game itself is great, its just I hate having to wait for updates or issues to be fixed/addressed. Like there stuff that I want to do, but I can’t do it now, and its kinda frusturating. I don’t know, I’m so use to a Halo game coming out and having everything I expected for it to have at launch.
So you need someone to clarify that you’re a veteran? Unless you’ve just picked up Halo for the first time, sit down. You’re not part of the “new community”
> I’m a veteran player and I have no problem with the changes, it’s fresh and helps eliminate stagnation. Sure, there are things that need a little adjusting but every Halo release after Halo CE has had a TU that has brought some kind of major change to the field.
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> I’m not generalizing, because I know not every veteran player is like that. But, in my opinion that is what it is. Just chill out and wait for a TU before knocking the game, these things take more than two weeks after launch to work out you know.
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> You don’t have to stop playing it, just be a little more patient and wait for 343i to at least make an attempt at addressing whatever it is in particular that you have a problem with.
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> You should focus more on addressing the issues with the game and being constructive about it, opposed to coming out and appearing to just be making another hate thread. The way you word things has more power than you think. 343i would be more likely to read a well constructed thread pointing out problems and potential fixes, opposed to a thread claiming “OMG HALO IS DEAD!!!111!” or “THIS GAME IS BROEKN!!!1!”
I did’t post to bash the game. I was pointing out which players are complaining about the game. There’s no doubt the game needs a few fixes. The overall game is great, but it frustrates me when I come across a post saying; “Don’t play the game if you don’t like a few things”.
I dont see a þroblem with it I enjoy this game =D
> To OP: I think you’re misunderstood.
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> By the definition of Veteran, I am a veteran of Halo 4 and I absolutely love the game. A lot of people love the game but those people are online playing it while all the haters are ranting on the forums. So all you see is negative threads.
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> The reason why the community is saying “If you don’t like it, don’t play it” is usually in response to a lot of troll threads or hate threads that simply state “HALO IS DEAD BECAUSE BR IS 5 SHOT!!!111!”. There is no mature way of delivering that argument, and there is no constructive criticism. So hate posts get hate replies.
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> Now if someone said “I think the game could be improved if we did this, or how about this? What do you think? etc etc” then you’ll get a lot of constructive criticism and discussion in return.
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> The “dont like it, don’t play it” is a response to those people who would probably be better off not playing Halo 4 then being all negative and hateful. Honestly I’ve read these forums and seen users exaggerate that Halo is broken, unfinished, dead, horrible and even state that 343i employees should be hung all because it isn’t exactly the way they want it.
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> That kind of attitude doesn’t belong on Waypoint.
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> > I’m a veteran player and I have no problem with the changes, it’s fresh and helps eliminate stagnation. Sure, there are things that need a little adjusting but every Halo release after Halo CE has had a TU that has brought some kind of major change to the field.
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> > I’ve been playing since Halo: CE was released on the original Xbox, my friends and I would go to each other’s houses and play until sunset after school. Not every veteran player has a problem with Halo 4, only the ones who seem to be caught up in Nostalgia and seem to not even attempt to give the game the chance.
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> > I’m not generalizing, because I know not every veteran player is like that. But, in my opinion that is what it is. Just chill out and wait for a TU before knocking the game, these things take more than two weeks after launch to work out you know.
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> > You don’t have to stop playing it, just be a little more patient and wait for 343i to at least make an attempt at addressing whatever it is in particular that you have a problem with.
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> > You should focus more on addressing the issues with the game and being constructive about it, opposed to coming out and appearing to just be making another hate thread. The way you word things has more power than you think. 343i would be more likely to read a well constructed thread pointing out problems and potential fixes, opposed to a thread claiming “OMG HALO IS DEAD!!!111!” or “THIS GAME IS BROEKN!!!1!”
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> I did’t post to bash the game. I was pointing out which players are complaining about the game. There’s no doubt the game needs a few fixes. The overall game is great, but it frustrates me when I come across a post saying; “Don’t play the game if you don’t like a few things”.
Oh, I know you weren’t posting about bashing the game. I’m simply saying the attitude of your post, and such implies it. I’m just elaborating on the point that seems to go ignored when certain threads are posted.
Each side is guilty, those who bash the game non-constructively and those who knee-jerkingly reply with : “Then don’t play it!”
There are indeed issues with the game, and you’re blindly fanboyish if you see it otherwise. I wish people would realize being constructive with your posts has more power than being a total -Yoink- about it.
The attitudes on this forum are ridiculous at this point, many of the so called “Veterans” are simply nostliga-boys and many of the Halo 4 bandwagoneers aren’t much better.
People need to chill out, be constructive, and practice a little patience for a damn change. Immaturity is not a way to get your point across. However, it is quite rampant in these forums nowadays.
> > To OP: I think you’re misunderstood.
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> > By the definition of Veteran, I am a veteran of Halo 4 and I absolutely love the game. A lot of people love the game but those people are online playing it while all the haters are ranting on the forums. So all you see is negative threads.
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> > The reason why the community is saying “If you don’t like it, don’t play it” is usually in response to a lot of troll threads or hate threads that simply state “HALO IS DEAD BECAUSE BR IS 5 SHOT!!!111!”. There is no mature way of delivering that argument, and there is no constructive criticism. So hate posts get hate replies.
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> > Now if someone said “I think the game could be improved if we did this, or how about this? What do you think? etc etc” then you’ll get a lot of constructive criticism and discussion in return.
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> > The “dont like it, don’t play it” is a response to those people who would probably be better off not playing Halo 4 then being all negative and hateful. Honestly I’ve read these forums and seen users exaggerate that Halo is broken, unfinished, dead, horrible and even state that 343i employees should be hung all because it isn’t exactly the way they want it.
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haha thanks!
Until the game defining TU comes, we can always play… you know other games, that’s why I’m doing… I’m not playing halo 4 mp until the TU maybe just slayer pro, but that’s that
> There are alot more issues and updates to the game that need to be made to the game, more so they any other Halo title I’ve played at launch.
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> The game itself is great, its just I hate having to wait for updates or issues to be fixed/addressed. Like there stuff that I want to do, but I can’t do it now, and its kinda frusturating. I don’t know, I’m so use to a Halo game coming out and having everything I expected for it to have at launch.
Let’s see,
HCE -
1 started you with a pistol that served a good purpose, but was OP because you could kill anything close and relatively far in .three shots. On boards like Blood Gulch, snipers left you with no alternative for moving across the map.
- The vehicles were unstoppable. You had virtually no weapons that were really effective against them. Rockets were ok, along with plasmas, but it took at least two from both to destroy the vehicle. It was mayhem.
H2 -
- PP tracking was ridiculous
- SMG starts absolutely sucked
- BR was underpowered at first, then OP compared to the overall weaponset and maps when fixed.
- Grenades were too weak at first.
- Weapon spawns were controlled far too heavily. You could hold onto a weapon so the other team would never get it, plus refill your rocket ammo forever.
- Superjumps broke the maps.
- Hacking was rampant, particularly at the end. I remember getting sniped by an SMG that shot homing sniper rifle bullets many times. That was a lot of fun.
- Button combos like BXR or RRXYY were unintended and affected gameplay.
H3 -
- BR was worthless at any range, making maps unable to be traversed.
- Many of the maps had horribly disadvantaged starting spawns, particularly for gametypes requiring symmetry or balance (i.e. slayer, 2 flag CTF).
- Boosting was terribly common and ruined many of games for people who had to endure.
HR -
- Some AA’s made the gameplay slower or broken in certain gametypes.
- The leveling was not conducive to people desiring to play long term.
- The levels lacked many of the alternative routes that made previous games so good (particularly H2). There were far too many choke points in Reach. Sword Base is a prime example. Sure, there were many ways up to the top, but they all coalesced into one point, generally.
H4 -
Looking at all the previous games, you’ll find most are broken far worse than H4. H2 was terrible, because most of those issues couldn’t be fixed or weren’t fixed (i.e. superjumps and modding). And when you look at other games, like H3, it may have had fewer overall issues, but the issues that went unfixed broke maps and gameplay.
When you look at H4, I’ve seen only a few complaints in regard to gameplay. Some people have issues with the DMR/BR. They think the DMR is overpowered. But the lightrifle kills faster than the DMR when scoped, and the BR has a bullet spread that makes headshots easier at closer to mid ranges, so really people are upset that they get owned by a gun outside its niche. I don’t consider that a big deal. Even if it was, it could easily be fixed.
Another complaint I see and agree with is that the kill times are too fast. This is probably in part because of the zoom not being knocked out like it used to be. I think this should be brought back. Along with this minor issue is grenade power. Grenades are definitely weaker, and I used to love my grenades. I wouldn’t mind their power being brought back, especially because spamming will be reduced due to not being able to pick up grenades from bodies.
The final complaint is random ordinance drops, which I also don’t like. It can certainly make gameplay luck oriented. Out of all the complaints, I think this breaks MM the most. That being said, I do like how these drops have caused more movement on maps.
All of the above could easily be tweaked, but even if they weren’t, they don’t break the game. If the BR is worthless like people say, then they don’t have to use it. It’s like the Brute plasma rifle from H3, or the plasma rifle in Reach. It just won’t get used, but it doesn’t disadvantage anyone except those who decide to pick it up. Now I think if you have a weapon it should have an effective niche, but we’re not talking something that breaks gameplay here.
Of all the Halo games I’ve played so far (and I’ve played them ALL), this is the least broken. It has some things I’d like tweaked, but nothing gamebreaking and untweakable. On top of that, BTB maps are the first in the series to actually keep things action packed without resorting to creating a heavies variant. The map design feels a little monotonous, but it works to create a quicker game for both big and small teams. The only gameplay issues so far seem to be preference based rather than balance based in terms of equal advantages - with the exception of randomized weapon drops.
im a “veteran player”.
its a good game.
so there.
I’ve been playing since launch of the original Xbox and I love Halo 4. Not since Halo 2 have I had this much fun online in a Halo game.
> People need to chill out, be constructive, and practice a little patience for a damn change. Immaturity is not a way to get your point across. However, it is quite rampant in these forums nowadays.
The problem is, when someone like me comes along, to offer some constructive criticism in hopes of sparking an intelligent discussion on implementing some kind of compromise, at the very least, nobody is interested in replying. Everyone would rather bicker back and forth with the people that make the mindless hate threads.
How am I ever going to get an adjustment implemented if my thread gets one reply that wasn’t very constructive anyway.
In my experience, it’s not the long haul veterans (I’ve been here since CE, and not the PC version) that hate this game, it’s the guys who have only been dipping in since the last one or two titles (Reach and 3 in our case because ODST doesn’t count) This happens with every new Halo, there’s people who swear the one they started playing was the “BEST VIDEO GAME EVAAAAR!!!” and just hate changes because it’s not what they’re used to. It takes a few games for them to loosen up and enjoy them for what they are.
IMHO, this is the Halo I’ve been waiting for since Halo 2, a fresh Halo that does as much for the franchise as Halo 2 did for Halo CE, it feels new, there’s a ton of new stuff to do and figure out, and it’s fun. Of course there are a bunch of young’uns who are angrily crouching over their keyboards as we speak preparing to “correct” me on how much better Halo 3 was than all of them, but that’s their problem 