I understand that when someone dislikes something you love/like, it is your first reaction to become displeased with that person, even mad. I for one am like that for every Halo game other than Reach and 4. Now I’m not gonna talk about Reach as that is not H4 related. Back to the point… When hardcore and casual fans dislike Halo 4, it’s not because we are hating for the sake of it (I hope not!). We want Halo to thrive and be the best it can be every iteration, and a lot of us think that Halo 4 is not. Halo holds many great memories for us, and was a large part of my and other peoples’ childhoods. The reason we say that we don’t like Halo 4 on these forums is because we are voicing our opinions to show 343 that something isn’t working, that something needs to change VERY soon or this game will go out with a whimper. So next time you think about getting mad or bothered about a displeased fan for voicing their opinion, open your mind.
Note: This post doesn’t speak for everyone, but definitely a group of people on these forums.
Discuss pl0x.
343, stop rubbing magnets on all the -Yoinking!- spartans and ammunition, thank you that is all.
Firstly, I always find it better when people talk about their own experiences, instead of cooping the voices of a community of others.
Secondly, your opinion is your opinion. Mine has no more weight that yours, and vice versa.
Thirdly, I do not like when people pass off their opinion as fact.
Fourthly, I do not like when people engage in utter hyperbole when discussing Halo’s shortcomings.
Those that do not like it, don’t like it. Those that engage in thoughtful discussion of what they believe to be Halo 4’s weaknesses are a positive force to the community.
However, the Dear John letters, the 30 second population count thread, the -Yoink–343i threads, the Halo 4 is not a AAA title (when journalists rate it as such) threads severely undercut any arguments being made.
Yesterday, some chimp created a thread to blame Halo 4 for the additional games that he bought due to H4’s mediocrity…
Again, these are my opinions. I love the game and have played the series since the beginning.
Wanting CSR, weapon-balancing etc… are all positive criticisms. Saying that Halo broke their heart is laughable.
Agreed! But in truth, your average post on this forum is just that. People also get mad when people disagree with them 
It’s really really easy to sound mad on the internet. If I am strongly disagreeing with you, I inevitably sound like I am saying “you’re an idiot.” Try to always assume people aren’t mad at you and you will enjoy forum experiences more all the way around. Except for the few trolls, the people on this forum love Halo, that’s the truth. Some are here to see it improve, some are hear to try and keep it the way it is, but we all love it 
> Firstly, I always find it better when people talk about their own experiences, instead of cooping the voices of a community of others.
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> Secondly, your opinion is your opinion. Mine has no more weight that yours, and vice versa.
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> Thirdly, I do not like when people pass off their opinion as fact.
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> Fourthly, I do not like when people engage in utter hyperbole when discussing Halo’s shortcomings.
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> Those that do not like it, don’t like it. Those that engage in thoughtful discussion of what they believe to be Halo 4’s weaknesses are a positive force to the community.
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> However, the Dear John letters, the 30 second population count thread, the -Yoink!–343i threads, the Halo 4 is not a AAA title (when journalists rate it as such) threads severely undercut any arguments being made.
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> Yesterday, some chimp created a thread to blame Halo 4 for the additional games that he bought due to H4’s mediocrity…
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> Again, these are my opinions. I love the game and have played the series since the beginning.
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> Wanting CSR, weapon-balancing etc… are all positive criticisms. Saying that Halo broke their heart is laughable.
Oops. Forgot to put a note on my post. : P
> 343, stop rubbing magnets on all the -Yoinking!- spartans and ammunition, thank you that is all.
lol
Well said, OP. Constructive Criticism is always welcome. No one should have any issue with well thought out and explained feedback.
It’s when hyperbole, fact-stating, and player criticisms come into the mix that I get angry.
You know the type. According to them, if you don’t want 1-50 rank then “you never got 50 so you suck.” Or my personal favorite, saying “you destroyed Halo for the true fans.”
The type who are prone to fantastical opinion and vain expository: xyz “ruins” the game. 343’s efforts are “pathetic”. “I traded in my copy.” All these kinds of statements have no place here… they should hop off and let the adults have the room.
> I understand that when someone dislikes something you love/like, it is your first reaction to become displeased with that person, even mad. I for one am like that for every Halo game other than Reach and 4. Now I’m not gonna talk about Reach as that is not H4 related. Back to the point… When hardcore and casual fans dislike Halo 4, it’s not because we are hating for the sake of it (I hope not!). We want Halo to thrive and be the best it can be every iteration, and a lot of us think that Halo 4 is not. Halo holds many great memories for us, and was a large part of my and other peoples’ childhoods. The reason we say that we don’t like Halo 4 on these forums is because we are voicing our opinions to show 343 that something isn’t working, that something needs to change VERY soon or this game will go out with a whimper. So next time you think about getting mad or bothered about a displeased fan for voicing their opinion, open your mind.
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> Note: This post doesn’t speak for everyone, but definitely a group of people on these forums.
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> Discuss pl0x.
Bascially this is whats going on:
for a whole week
Most active talky part of the community - " MAN WTF STILL NO ACTION SAC, OR TALK OF BIG TEAM OBJECTIVE 343 COME ON!!!"
the weekly bulliten
343 - " Hey Action sacks coming this monday and were working on Big team objective and on getting FFA out there"
day after the bulliten
Most active talky part of the community - " STILL NO TU NEWS WTF YOU SUCK!!!"
in a nutshell bascially
> Well said, OP. Constructive Criticism is always welcome. No one should have any issue with well thought out and explained feedback.
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> It’s when hyperbole, fact-stating, and player criticisms come into the mix that I get angry.
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> You know the type. According to them, if you don’t want 1-50 rank then “you never got 50 so you suck.” Or my personal favorite, saying “you destroyed Halo for the true fans.”
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> The type who are prone to fantastical opinion and vain expository: xyz “ruins” the game. 343’s efforts are “pathetic”. “I traded in my copy.” All these kinds of statements have no place here… they should hop off and let the adults have the room.
And therein lies the problem. Constructive criticism is more than welcome, even encouraged. However, it’s the aforementioned posts and versions of them that drown out what would be considered viable feedback. It’s not always about the message, but also the manner in which it is conveyed. We’re all passionate about Halo, but we need to check that emotion when providing criticism. Not doing so only serves to drive a wedge even further between dissenting opinions.
See here is why I personally defend the game.
I absolutely loved Halo CE and Halo 2. They were the best FPS I ever played. However I HATED 3 and Reach. So after 3 came out and I got sick of it I quit halo.
Halo 4 gives me the amazing fun and awesome feeling I got from CE and 2 and I feel like I finally have halo back and I’m scared that if 343 listens to the people who criticism is unfounded and lacks validity then I’ll lose Halo again and get another crappy game like 3 or reach.
When Halo finally turned around and went back to being awesome people are trying to get it back to when it sucked. The game I always hear people bring up is 3 and I hated 3 so anything I can do to keep Halo awesome and prevent getting a game like Halo 3 I’m going to do.
FYI Halo 2 is still my favorite so I’m not a 343i fanboy I like good games regardless of who makes them.
So you make a thread to “explain” to people who enjoy Halo 4 why they should listen to people who don’t like Halo 4.
Seriously?
Should I make a thread explaining why Halo 4 is brilliant and simply pointing out that you don’t seem to understand that?
No…because that would shallow and juvenile.
I’m definitely no Halo 4 defender, I think it’s worse than Reach, and that’s saying something. We all know it has its problems, and we’ll never get a visible rank, which is beyond ridiculous.
But I have found something interesting… if people would just shut up and play the game, instead of complaining about it every waking minute, then you’ll get more enjoyment than just complaining about something you have no control over.
As bad as Halo 4 is, it’s still better than whatever else is out there. Plus, it’s not that bad, people just like to sensationalize too much. Some things just aren’t going to change, no matter how many words you put in a forum post, or no matter how many people like your post.
As far as I’m concerned, if people want to waste their own time doing it, fine, but they’re just wasting their own free time, and we only get one life, so if they want to waste the majority of it complaining, let them be. The complainers may affect some change, but some significant things it’s just not going to happen.
> So you make a thread to “explain” to people who enjoy Halo 4 why they should listen to people who don’t like Halo 4.
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> Seriously?
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> Should I make a thread explaining why Halo 4 is brilliant and simply pointing out that you don’t seem to understand that?
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> No…because that would shallow and juvenile.
I never said they should listen to them. I said that it’s not right for them to pounce on them when they give a valid opinion. This actually applies to both sides.
> I’m definitely no Halo 4 defender, I think it’s worse than Reach, and that’s saying something. We all know it has its problems, and we’ll never get a visible rank, which is beyond ridiculous.
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> But I have found something interesting… if people would just shut up and play the game, instead of complaining about it every waking minute, then you’ll get more enjoyment than just complaining about something you have no control over.
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> As bad as Halo 4 is, it’s still better than whatever else is out there. Plus, it’s not that bad, people just like to sensationalize too much. Some things just aren’t going to change, no matter how many words you put in a forum post, or no matter how many people like your post.
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> As far as I’m concerned, if people want to waste their own time doing it, fine, but they’re just wasting their own free time, and we only get one life, so if they want to waste the majority of it complaining, let them be. The complainers may affect some change, but some significant things it’s just not going to happen.
If no one complained, we probably wouldn’t be getting any improvements to the game.
> We all know it has its problems
False. I can’t think of any REAL problems. The few things I would change are small personal preferences not fixes to problems. As a whole I don’t see any problems.
Constructive criticism is fine , if not desirable, but, to echo sentiments already made on this thread. Too many threads are in the style:
Thanks 343 for ruining a great game.
I am never playing Halo again
I have traded in my copy
My tea has gone cold
Nothing constructive in those at all They do seemingly proliferate on here which further detracts from comments worthy of a read
> > We all know it has its problems
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> False. I can’t think of any REAL problems. The few things I would change are small personal preferences not fixes to problems. As a whole I don’t see any problems.
Hey. Guess what. It’s not illegal to have an opinion.
> > > We all know it has its problems
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> > False. I can’t think of any REAL problems. The few things I would change are small personal preferences not fixes to problems. As a whole I don’t see any problems.
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> Hey. Guess what. It’s not illegal to have an opinion.
Oh I know. I just was commenting on the fact he said “We all know” I just don’t want him speaking for everyone because I don’t feel that way.
> We’re all passionate about Halo, but we need to check that emotion when providing criticism. Not doing so only serves to drive a wedge even further between dissenting opinions.
I agree sarcasm that “we” are all passionate about Halo, as in the people on this forum and the Mods. I find myself agreeing with quite a bit of what the mods say, even though I might disagree with their locking or moving of threads.
But I think the reason people do get so emotional is that it really seems like 343i isn’t passionate about Halo. If they had a highly visible employee that had 1/4 of my passion about Halo I would be thrilled. Meanwhile Kiki Wolfkill seems bored or irritated in every interview I’ve seen.
(ok, maybe Bravo cares - but I wonder how long he can keep it up in that environment)
Nothing is wrong with constructive critisism. I like debating with people who dislike the game. Problem is usually all we get is " we don’t have X so 343 doesn’t listen!" Or constant hyberbull over how broken the game is. That and anybody who takes the time to give good reasons on why they love halo we get an army of bashers posting in them about how wrong they are etc.