Title Update; The Peak of 343i's [REDACTED]

EDIT: So, after I had taken the time to cool down after a tiring, sleepless night and long morning while now being well rested I have taken the time to read over my post, and I sure am angry in it. I advise you all to take this with a grain of salt, and in the posts that I had made to follow do the same. I apologize for sounding so grumpy and acting on it. The only reason I can give for sounding grumpy was because I was, in fact, very grumpy. However, I do see a general misconception that is obviously my fault in regard to this thread: This isn’t me -Yoinking!- about how I wish Halo was different- it is about me wanting more from a “Title Update.” You see, I am bothered at this update because it doesn’t feel like what a Title Update should be, and they shouldn’t build up so much hype around it as such. I do have my opinions on Halo, and I sure sounded pompous many times through my thread and posts about it, but that IS NOT what this thread is about. It is regarding the lack of communication, and then vague alluding to types of communication done by the industry.

I did think of completely removing the thread, but I am not one to simply remove everything because I made a mistake in my anger and made an -Yoink- of myself. We learn from mistakes, we shouldn’t be ashamed of them. However, and this is what I want to make very clear:

I apologize for anyone I bothered or may bother with this thread.

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Howdy folks. I’m seeing some complaints about complaints here; people are getting mad at those who are saying this title update, for lack of better words, is terrible. Why? Why are you people nagging at the people who are absolutely right? Why are you defending 343i at all? It is quite obvious that Halo as a competitve online multiplayer experience has been successfully destroyed. Have you looked at the population statistics? 343i sometimes addresses claims that the population is low with “enthusiasm and optimism,” but it is clear as day that it is just a facade to bring false hope while their grimacing faces shine clearly through this lie. They know as well as we know that the game is a failure(in terms of multiplayer), although sales prices would definitely harken an argument, but population doesn’t lie.

My point is this: 343i’s multiplayer team is a group of people with a job, and that job is to create a great online Halo experience for all. When you have a job you do the best you can at it. Giving them a break because “they have so much else on their plate” makes you all sound like ridiculous teenagers who have never tried their luck at anything but makes excuses for your lack of success in whatever you deem as your life regardless. Life fact: when you do something, and you don’t try to be the best at what you supposedly do then you are a sorry excuse for a person. 343i may be trying to do their best, but their best isn’t certainly enough.

This Title Update addresses bug fixes. Bug fixes. Are you kidding? That is what a hotfix should be for. Not a -Yoink- Title Update. Nothing has changed. Nothing. The Boltshot was rebalanced. Neat, I’m pretty sure I could have rebalanced that after two days of testing it. It wasn’t hard to figure out it had too much range. Guess what hasn’t been rebalanced? The rest of the game.

I was a semi-professional Halo 2 and Halo 3 player. I know how Halo multiplayer is supposed to feel, because I was there at the top of the food chain at the peak of its career. Halo is now a 40 year old going through its midlife crisis and I don’t think it is going to make it out alive. I picked up Halo 4 for the first time in a couple months the other day and boy am I still amazing at Halo, albeit rusty. But, I put it down after 3 games when I realized that it was a clunky, out of shape game in which its grandfather puts it to shame in the field of metaphorical fitness.

343i’s multiplayer team continues to prove their incompetence for their entire company and publisher when it comes to online multiplayer design. I, myself, own my own blossoming company and if for a second I made the same mistakes that they have I would find myself in dire trouble of a financial crisis. Bringing a man like Bravo on to the team was the best decision they have made, but this Title Update was what a lot of the original fan base was waiting for and it is nothing short of a shot through each and every one of our hearts.

You may say,“Brent, give it a chance.” I appreciate your optimism, but it is naive and childish. I gave Halo 4, as a fun and competitive multiplayer game, a hell of a chance and it certainly blew it. It hurts, you know. I’ve bought every piece of Halo fiction, special edition of the games, and bought some novelty items. I, besides being a highly skilled competitive player, am a Halo fanboy through and through, but I won’t be buying another game. Which is actually pretty upsetting considering I thought this Halo game’s campaign was the best in the series. They did an amazing job with the singleplayer, and I’ll never take that away from them. However, it seems as though they won’t fix this broken multiplayer system and for that I am upset.

tl;dr: There isn’t a tl;dr. Read my post. Learn to love reading or accept that you have missed out on a wondrous entertainment[Edited as I deemed what I said before offensive]. Reading isn’t a dead form of entertainment.

> Howdy folks. I’m seeing some complaints about complaints here; people are getting mad at those who are saying this title update, for lack of better words, is terrible. Why? Why are you people nagging at the people who are absolutely right? Why are you defending 343i at all? It is quite obvious that Halo as a competitve online multiplayer experience has been successfully destroyed. Have you looked at the population statistics? 343i sometimes addresses claims that the population is low with “enthusiasm and optimism,” but it is clear as day that it is just a facade to bring false hope while their grimacing faces shine clearly through this lie. They know as well as we know that the game is a failure(in terms of multiplayer), although sales prices would definitely harken an argument, but population doesn’t lie. My point is this: 343i’s multiplayer team is a group of people with a job, and that job is to create a great online Halo experience for all. When you have a job you do the best you can at it. Giving them a break because “they have so much else on their plate” makes you all sound like ridiculous teenagers who have never tried their luck at anything but makes excuses for your lack of success in whatever you deem as your life regardless. Life fact: when you do something, and you don’t try to be the best at what you supposedly do then you are a sorry excuse for a person. 343i may be trying to do their best, but their best isn’t certainly enough.
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> This Title Update addresses bug fixes. Bug fixes. Are you kidding? That is what a hotfix should be for. Not a Yoink! Title Update. Nothing has changed. Nothing. The Boltshot was rebalanced. Neat, I’m pretty sure I could have rebalanced that after two days of testing it. It wasn’t hard to figure out it had too much range. Guess what hasn’t been rebalanced? The rest of the game. I was a semi-professional Halo 2 and Halo 3 player. I know how Halo multiplayer is supposed to feel, because I was there at the top of the food chain at the peak of its career. Halo is now a 40 year old going through its midlife crisis and I don’t think it is going to make it out alive. I picked up Halo 4 for the first time in a couple months the other day and boy am I still amazing at Halo, albeit rusty. But, I put it down after 3 games when I realized that it was a clunky, out of shape game in which its grandfather puts it to shame in the field of metaphorical fitness.
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> 343i’s multiplayer team continues to prove their incompetence for their entire company and publisher when it comes to online multiplayer design. I, myself, own my own blossoming company and if for a second I made the same mistakes that they have I would find myself in dire trouble of a financial crisis. Bringing a man like Bravo on to the team was the best decision they have made, but this Title Update was what a lot of the original fan base was waiting for and it is nothing short of a shot through each and every one of our hearts. You may say,“Brent, give it a chance.” I appreciate your optimism, but it is naive and childish. I gave Halo 4, as a fun and competitive multiplayer game, a hell of a chance and it certainly blew it. It hurts, you know. I’ve bought every piece of Halo fiction, special edition of the games, and bought some novelty items. I, besides being a highly skilled competitive player, am a Halo fanboy through and through, but I won’t be buying another game. Which is actually pretty upsetting considering I thought this Halo game’s campaign was the best in the series. They did an amazing job with the singleplayer, and I’ll never take that away from them. However, it seems as though they won’t fix this broken multiplayer system and for that I am upset.
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> tl;dr: There isn’t a tl;dr. Read my post. Learn to love reading or accept that you have ADD. Reading isn’t a dead form of entertainment.

Basically the tl;dr, I’m impatient because everything I wanted fixed wasn’t fixed in this TU.

This title update is actually giving me some issues. I cannot play any video of any episode after downloading this. Any suggestions? (Already tried clearing cache, uninstalling disc 2 and crimson, reinstalling disc 2, still nothing)

> Basically the tl;dr, I’m impatient because everything I wanted fixed wasn’t fixed in this TU.

Howdy. I’m a grown man with patience developed over years of honing and testing. Your summation is completely wrong, and to be honest, more offensive on my character. It’s lovely to see that your response to my well worded post was so fruitful, or lack thereof fruit.

> tl;dr: There isn’t a tl;dr. Read my post. Learn to love reading or accept that you have ADD. Reading isn’t a dead form of entertainment.

I will read your post when you don’t use an obnoxious color that hurts my eyes.

> > Howdy folks. -snip-
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> > tl;dr: There isn’t a tl;dr. Read my post. Learn to love reading or accept that you have ADD. Reading isn’t a dead form of entertainment.
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> <mark>Basically the tl;dr, I’m impatient because everything I wanted fixed wasn’t fixed in this TU</mark>.

Wrong. Should’ve read it.

OP hit the nail on the head. Anybody who disagrees is simply in denial

> > Basically the tl;dr, I’m impatient because everything I wanted fixed wasn’t fixed in this TU.
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> Howdy. I’m a grown man with patience developed over years of honing and testing. Your summation is completely wrong, and to be honest, more offensive on my character. It’s lovely to see that your response to my well worded post was so fruitful, or lack thereof fruit.

Really, it doesn’t seem to show much in your post then. Here’s more fruit, then. This game has been out for only 3 months and a half and your post is basically saying what they haven’t fixed and how much of a failure the game has become because of it so no, I’m sorry if I have reached the conclusion you might be lacking patience. Do you really understand the basics of fixing a game? Do you know how much work it might entail? If not, can you really say 343i have or have not been slacking? This whole community is made up of people who have nothing better to do than find faults. We can say, “oh nerf the DMR or make vehicles stronger” but what if it ends up being too much on the opposite end of the spectrum as well? We get a fresh list of complaints about how the DMR is now too weak or how the vehicles are now OP. Maybe balancing takes more work than most people think. You base your conclusions too much on the fact that this particular TU has not released content YOU yourself want to see fixed. Do you think this is going to be the last TU of Halo 4? I highly doubt it and they themselves have stated there are more balancing problems needed to be addressed. For those who are refuse to believe that previous Halo players might like this game, I hate to break it to you but there are plenty of people who still like the game for what it is. Don’t be so close-minded about that fact, it’s almost sickening.

@Pope138 Oh, don’t worry my friend. I read the whole thing.

What Zexu said.It was painful to look at so i didn’t read, but i already know what you said.I read it in 5 other threads in the past hour.Just saying.

So ill just say this.

They cannot fix every little thing everyone wants instantly.The bigger issue’s have to take more time due to the massive amounts of code that a game consists of.Just to make a simple chess game consists of around 800 lines of code/scripts.So how much do you think they need to go through in a video game such as Halo 4.Sometimes changing even small things like the camo glitch could take up to a month or more to find the cause and then another month of testing.Just my speculation of course but does paint a pretty accurate picture i think.

> > > Basically the tl;dr, I’m impatient because everything I wanted fixed wasn’t fixed in this TU.
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> > Howdy. I’m a grown man with patience developed over years of honing and testing. Your summation is completely wrong, and to be honest, more offensive on my character. It’s lovely to see that your response to my well worded post was so fruitful, or lack thereof fruit.
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> Really, it doesn’t seem to show much in your post then. This game has been out for only 3 months and a half and your post is basically saying what they haven’t fixed and how much of a failure the game has become because of it so no, I’m sorry if I have reached the conclusion you might be lacking patience. Do you understand the basics of fixing a game? Do you know how much work it might entail? If not, can you really say 343i have or have not been slacking?
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> @Pope138 Oh, don’t worry my friend. I read the whole thing.

Yes I think we can. The number of players proves that. It went from like 400+K players the first little bit after release down to averaging 50K per day. That’s a huge drop. He was right. 1, if they are going to do a TU, it needs to actually alter gameplay somehow, not just change 1 gun. All other fixes shouldn’t be in form of a TU. I really enjoy Halo 4, but 343i has dropped the ball on several key areas…

> Really, it doesn’t seem to show much in your post then. This game has been out for only 3 months and a half and your post is basically saying what they haven’t fixed and how much of a failure the game has become because of it so no, I’m sorry if I have reached the conclusion you might be lacking patience. Do you understand the basics of fixing a game? Do you know how much work it might entail? If not, can you really say 343i have or have not been slacking?

Once again, attacking my character in terms of my patience. Also, the game has been out for a short period of time, you are absolutely right. But my entire point is that this Title Update, as a Title Update, is another failure ontop of the game itself. It addresses hotfix-esque items and not core gameplay mechanics. No, I have never been directly involved in fixing the engine or done any coding for a major, high production video game. I have been indirectly involved and I can say from that experience they are slacking. And, if not slacking claiming ignorance or just playing stubborn as they don’t seem to be altering, or willing to alter, the mechanics most of the original fan base seems to have trouble with.

Not reading until the font is changed.

> > > > Basically the tl;dr, I’m impatient because everything I wanted fixed wasn’t fixed in this TU.
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> > > Howdy. I’m a grown man with patience developed over years of honing and testing. Your summation is completely wrong, and to be honest, more offensive on my character. It’s lovely to see that your response to my well worded post was so fruitful, or lack thereof fruit.
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> > Really, it doesn’t seem to show much in your post then. This game has been out for only 3 months and a half and your post is basically saying what they haven’t fixed and how much of a failure the game has become because of it so no, I’m sorry if I have reached the conclusion you might be lacking patience. Do you understand the basics of fixing a game? Do you know how much work it might entail? If not, can you really say 343i have or have not been slacking?
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> > @Pope138 Oh, don’t worry my friend. I read the whole thing.
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> Yes I think we can. The number of players proves that. It went from like 400+K players the first little bit after release down to averaging 50K per day. That’s a huge drop. He was right. 1, if they are going to do a TU, it needs to actually alter gameplay somehow, not just change 1 gun. All other fixes shouldn’t be in form of a TU. I really enjoy Halo 4, but 343i has dropped the ball on several key areas…

Read the rest of my post. I have edited it.

> Not reading until the font is changed.

Done. It actually doesn’t bother my eyes, but it seems to for others and I’m sorry for the original colour.

Thank you. Shall read. :slight_smile:

OP your post was a total eye sore so I didn’t read all of it. But in regards to the TU I’m largely satisfied as it fixed a lot of issues including a Boltshot nerf. Would I have liked a DMR rebalancing?, yes. But I think the reason we didn’t get one is because 343i doesn’t exactly know how to go about it yet. Look at these forums as an example, some want more bloom, others want a lower RoF, then there are the extremists that want no aim assist what so ever. Hell there is a thread going to take away its scope.

We were not going to get everything we want in one TU and if any of you thought that we would that’s silly. There will be more TU’s to come and things will get rebalanced, features may get added and the game will continue to get better. Lets see what happens with the next TU which may come faster than this one did.

> Read the rest of my post. I have edited it.

Read it and you still miss the issue. It isn’t something that HE wants changed… Thousands of people are calling for a DMR fix. When that is a huge chunk of the people who still play, 343i should listen.

Ka7aclysmiK was saying this TU was a failure of a TU, on that he was right.

> OP your post was a total eye sore so I didn’t read all of it. But in regards to the TU I’m largely satisfied as it fixed a lot of issues including a Boltshot nerf. Would I have liked a DMR rebalancing?, yes. But I think the reason we didn’t get one is because 343i doesn’t exactly know how to go about it yet. Look at these forums as an example, some want more bloom, others want a lower RoF, then there are the extremists that want no aim assist what so ever. Hell there is a thread going to take away its scope.
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> We were not going to get everything we want in one TU and if any of you thought that we would that’s silly. There will be more TU’s to come and things will get rebalanced, features may get added and the game will continue to get better. Lets see what happens with the next TU which may come faster than this one did.

This is a wrong mindset in general. How many other games have had at least 2 TUs and 2 map packs within (lets say 6 months) of release. It hasn’t even been 4 months and they will have 2 map packs and a TU that changed very little. You expect another TU but faster than 3.5 months.

What is wrong with this picture?

TLDR… Really all they did was nerf the boltshot?? :frowning: If your post had more spaces i woulda read it.

Um…Mr. Mental? Listen.

The competitive TU comes out in APRIL ALONG WITH CSR.

Lol at post of rage

4.5 months this game has been out and the only balance issue they looked at was the BoltShot and that was more of an annoyance then a game breaker.

We still have vehicle combat crippled by plasma 'nades and vehicle armour being made of stiff cardboard + insane amounts of power weapons.

We still have map movement crippled by the DMR.

We still have instant respawn in most game types.

We still have a ridiculous amount of bullet magnatism.

We still have counter productive levels of high aim assist.

We still have weapons despawning twice as quickly as dead bodies.

The game is a joke now - most people have left, matchmaking is broken as it no longer has a pool of players big enough for optimum skill and connection leading poor skill balanced games, lag and black ‘selecting new host’ screens. There still are no connection preferences.

This was not a Title Update, it was a generic bug fix.