I don’t see why people say AA’s are a crutch. If I use evade, or jetpack, or sprint or hologram and kill you, I outsmarted you. Simple as that. “lol u have to use an aa to kill someone noob”. No, I use AA’s to gain an advantage. Gaining said advantage is what shooters are all about. AA’s are there to gain an advantage in a battle. Reach isn’t my first Halo game. Halo 1 was. Halo 2 was my most played Halo game. I did just fine in Halo 2 without AA’s. Like I said though, I don’t see why people call them “crutches”. If I’m playing a game and I have an ability that will let me get a step ahead of you, why wouldn’t I use it?
Micro analyzing the AA’s argument is getting no1 nowhere.
I think AA’s are a great idea, and very cool, just wrongly implemented in Reach MP.
When I say that Active Cammo and Armor Lock should be P/U, I’m not saying I want Reach to be Halo 3.
I’m saying, let’s play Reach in a way that clarifies and enhances the overall play for everyone.
Movement AA’s (evade, sprint, hologram, jetpack) are fine in Loadouts and that’s all good.
Active Cammo and Armor Lock are WAY more powerful than the movement AA’s and should be used as map movement tools just like power weapons.
I don’t wanna blow MLG’s horn but I can say, watching the MLG Dallas Reach highlights was inspiring, to say the least on how Reach can and should be played re:AA’s, melee and player speed/movement.
Let’s not forget that the Squad Battle 5v5 playlist is coming soon which will NOT have AL and I’m very excited to play it.
Honestly, I wanted a TU 6 mo ago, but now, I’m just hoping that 343 uses the VAST amount of input that they are receiving to put toward the next Halo and not try to fix everything in Reach that is probably too intricate for them to handle (i.e. bloom, Banshee bomb/avoid)
I loved the BR and want it back. I will allow that it was a tad overpowered, but only if you were good. At least it would allow good players to show their skills. I truly believe that instead of wasting time on AA’s, Bungie should have spent it on better weapon balance as well as developing more depth in the weapons themselve. People were good with the BR because it would show you a lot of love, but there needs to be a skill factor in every weapon, not just the scoped weapons(BR,Carbine, Sniper).
I will never agree that AA’s should be in the game. Equipment was OK in Halo 3 but AA’s? As LOADOUTS? Never.
Armor Abilities, although not perfect, work great as Equipment 2.0 in Halo Reach’s multiplayer. The main problem I find with Reach isn’t any specific concerning AAs, bloom, maps, or any other detail. It was the introduction of Loadouts as the default way to play Halo as an FPS. Add that to the lack of support to play matchmaking without loadouts (Halcyon Halo), and we can all understand why Reach is in the state it is. I’ve had over half of my friends list quit participating in Reach. Many of whom were great friends, family members, and/or teammates I’ve known for years.
No matter what, we cannot change the past. Thus, it falls upon the shoulders of 343i to determine the future gameplay mechanic support in Reach. Although Bungie has current control over the playlist, Reach definitely needs more assistance than playlist changes to be great. I have lost count how many times the new “default” settings have upset me. There are, indeed, issues with some of the base mechanics. I sincerely hope they are repaired.
-Always Hope
We all are anxious to hear a response from you guys on a possible TU (Title Update) for various gameplay and glitch fixes. We as a community are aware of the transitional phase from Bungie to 343i and know that you are listening to the voice of Reach gamers, please let us hear yours.
Suggested Halo Reach Gameplay Fixes
*Increased run and jump height
*Increased vehicle balance - Banshee bomb kill-radius reduction w/increase to Banshee health, Warthog balancing to increase accuracy to the turret and slightly higher resistance to occupants, removal of small arms damage to the Scorpion and Wraith Tanks such as DMR, Pistol, Assault Rifle,etc.
*Balancing of Covenant weapons to be on par w/damaging vehicles as their human counterparts such as the Needle Rifle.
*Balancing bloom to address community concerns of luck v skill.
Suggested Halo Reach Armor Ability Fixes
*Change default Loadouts to ONLY include Sprint, Evade, and Jet-Pack. Change Armor Lock, Drop Shield, and Active Camo to Map Pick-Ups similar to that of previous Halo games.
*Possible removal of Armor Lock due to increasing community feedback about “frosting”.
*Possible removal of Armor Lock and a change to a Over-Shield Pick-up on specific maps.
*Increased effectiveness to Active Camo to allow for greater concealment while moving slow or a mirror of the Halo 3 Invisibility Pick-up
*Added cool-down period to Evade between uses.
Suggested Halo Reach Glitch Fixes
*Death glitch while in vehicles sometimes result in your body teleporting to your initial spawn point.
*Glitch while Evading while holding crouch allows players to shoot while rolling.
*Glitch while Evading w/certain weapons does not show animation in first-person such as Rocket Launcher.
*Glitch while trying to perform Show Stoppers on players performing assassinations. Players assassinating will sometimes be invulnerable, able to take 2 melee’s to the back, or sometimes be able to be assassinated correctly with one punch to the back. Obviously the last is how the system should work =).
*Post-game carnage report showing incorrect player stats such as kills.
*Exploitation w/split screen where players have increased auto-aim over Xbox Live Match-Making.
Note that all suggested fixes do not reflect my opinion and address concerns and complaints with Halo Reach from the Halo Community. If anyone has anything that I left out please reply and I will edit my post. 343 we are NOT DEMANDING a response from you, we are simply only asking. Please respect that let us know our concerns are heard. Thank you all very much for reading.
All these points have been made but I also would like some acknowledgment that our concerns are being heard because Bungie doesn’t seem to care what so ever anymore 
Some just say that all of our woe’s aren’t falling on deaf ears! We just want our game fixed. Also if this fails i’m just gonna start calling MS and Bungie personally till someone fixes this -Yoink-!
> > > Also, why are our topics getting mixed together? The admins here are taking any threads about a possible TU and just cutting and pasting them into this one. WTF, this is making me lose hope even more. It makes me think 343i is just bunching all of our complaints into one thread like Bungie did with the only BR and AR thread on the Halo 3 forums. They ended up changing nothing about the BR and AR in H3 even though there were thousands of people complaining about them. Is that what is going to happen with Reach?
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> > If it were up to me, this whole thread would be merged with the official feedback thread in the general forums, and all other “TU threads” would be locked/deleted.
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> > You guys are spamming these forums with the same threads day after day…
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> Discussion =/= Spam
> It’s not fair of you, or the admins, to label each of our threads as “just another complaint thread”, or “just another TU thread”. The thread I created wasn’t even about a TU, it was about 343i not giving us any information about their plans to “support” Reach. I explained how I felt like I was being left in the dark, and how it would benefit everyone if 343i stayed in contact with their fans. I was pretty much just asking for some interaction, which seems completely fair.
What’s not fair is… that there’s already one feedback thread you guys SHOULD be posting to instead of creating new threads or posting here. Especially when it’s just the same people making new threads and posting the same things in them EVERY DAY.
What’s not fair is… you guys starting threads titled: “what do you want in the title update?” as if a title update was already announced.
What’s not fair is… if a vocal minority gets a patch that caters to them, and not the loyal fans who appreciate the current mechanic(s).
What’s not fair is… you guys treating both Bungie and 343 like they’re slackers because they’re not giving you what YOU want.
All of that’s not fair, but heaven forbid you guys get called out on it.
I must be bad at Halo and not worthy of an opinion.
/eyeroll
@Guywiired
So it´s false to want a good and balanced game from Bungie? So it´s false to want that 343 fix the -Yoink-? I think every gamer who is even a bit critical and who has some experiences in Halo and games will say that Reach isn´t that, that Bungie promised us. It´s boring, unbalanced and campaign dissapointed many fans too, including me.
> @Guywiired
> So it´s false to want a good and balanced game from Bungie? So it´s false to want that 343 fix the Yoink!?
I think it’s FAIR to say that your opinion is SUBJECTIVE and should be treated as such.
> I think every gamer who is even a bit critical and who has some experiences in Halo and games will say that Reach isn´t that, that Bungie promised us. It´s boring, unbalanced and campaign dissapointed many fans too, including me.
Okay, you’re entitled to that.
You’re also allowed to post in the Official Feedback thread and state just that.
But this thread…
Correction, THESE threads… go beyond being ‘critical’.
Reach IS what it was designed to be. Sorry you don’t you enjoy it, I do. But I’m bad right? So my opinion means nothing, we should only cater to you, and people that whine about it enough.
@Guywiired
I never said that your opinion isn´t right or something like that. But Bungie promised us a game with balance, fun and an epic campaign. And what did I get for my money? Nothing, it´s lame and so I´m posting at this forum so 343 will do some things in Reach right, even if the other things in the game will suck. That was only MY OPINION.
ehh… I’m just telling you were you can post your feedback.
I disagree with your opinion, but I’m not calling you a “Yoink!”, or “the worst thing on the internet”.
I’m just asking you to stop spamming these forums with the same posts everyday.
But I will add, you honestly feel the tweaking of playlists and the additions of certain playlists ,coughs Classic coughs, is both Bungie and 343i’s way of saying “we don’t care!”?
The low population playlists says that the community doesn’t feel the game needs a return to older game settings. The high population playlists tell us that Reach isn’t broken when playing the game as a whole. The overall population tells us that Halo has a huge core following but severely lacks on the casual play.
But having said that, it’s not like either doesn’t care what the small groups want either. It’s those groups they want to make larger, but not at the cost of their core. And believe it or not, the core group of Halo doesn’t view Halo in singular ways. The core group of Halo likes and loves Reach. Reach may not be their favourite Halo, but that’s besides the point of it being liked or loved.
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> But I will add, you honestly feel the tweaking of playlists and the additions of certain playlists ,coughs Classic coughs, is both Bungie and 343i’s way of saying “we don’t care!”?
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> The low population playlists says that the community doesn’t feel the game needs a return to older game settings. The high population playlists tell us that Reach isn’t broken when playing the game as a whole. The overall population tells us that Halo has a huge core following but severely lacks on the casual play.
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> But having said that, it’s not like either doesn’t care what the small groups want either. It’s those groups they want to make larger, but not at the cost of their core. And believe it or not, the core group of Halo doesn’t view Halo in singular ways. The core group of Halo likes and loves Reach. Reach may not be their favourite Halo, but that’s besides the point of it being liked or loved.
Wrong, Classic was a nice thought but it dosen’t work. The 'nades are stupid. Plus again it’s let down by bloom. It’s fast
and awesome but let down by mechanics.
> What’s not fair is… that there’s already one feedback thread you guys SHOULD be posting to instead of creating new threads or posting here. Especially when it’s just the same people making new threads and posting the same things in them EVERY DAY.
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> What’s not fair is… you guys starting threads titled: “what do you want in the title update?” as if a title update was already announced.
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> What’s not fair is… if a vocal minority gets a patch that caters to them, and not the loyal fans who appreciate the current mechanic(s).
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> What’s not fair is… you guys treating both Bungie and 343 like they’re slackers because they’re not giving you what YOU want.
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> All of that’s not fair, but heaven forbid you guys get called out on it.
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> I must be bad at Halo and not worthy of an opinion.
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> /eyeroll
- This isn’t even a feedback thread, and I see nothing wrong with people justifying their thoughts by providing examples and suggestions. Seriously, it’s better that we do it this way rather than just simply stating “Yeah fix the game for us, durr,”. We are explaining why we would like it fixed, and how we would like it fixed.
Plus, the admins seem to be okay with this discussion, so why flame it and label it as spam?
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Oh lol. Why do you care if we call it “the title update”? Does it affect you in anyway?
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We are not a minority. Look at Halo 3’s numbers back in the day, now look at Reach’s current numbers. Find the difference. That difference is all of the people that left the Halo series because of their displeasure with Reach. I’m positive that difference is at least double Reach’s current population. I may be part of the fraction of that number that actually uses the forums to discuss this displeasure, but again, that in no way shows that we are a minority. The same could be said about you, but to a lesser extent. YOU are probably the vocal minority in this situation. Your argument as been trumped before, so there is really no point in continuing with it.
(And no where in this thread is ANYBODY asking for a patch that “hurts” the other part of the community.) -
I do feel that Bungie/343i is slacking. We got TUs for H3 and H2 within 6 months of both of their initial release dates. It’s almost been 8 months since Reach’s release, it is only natural to get anxious and assume that the companies are slacking.
What’s not fair is that you keep making us out to be “the bad guys” who throw away other people’s opinions just because we either think they suck at the game, or we disagree with them. Regarding the latter; that’s pretty much what you’re doing!
> 4. I do feel that Bungie/343i is slacking. We got TUs for H3 and H2 within 6 months of both of their initial release dates. It’s almost been 8 months since Reach’s release, it is only natural to get anxious and assume that the companies are slacking.
That or most who are claiming it’s time for a TU really don’t understand the reasons for the TUs in the first place.
Halo2 had no Beta. The first few months of Halo2 were very similar to CoD games and their first few months; the full-price Beta stage.
Halo3 got TUs because there were some bugs that made it past the Beta, but mostly because their system wasn’t as flexible as Reach’s is, so certain playlist additions and tweaks needed actual hard-code changes that were more than a simple server-side switch flick. Removing shield doors required a TU in Halo3. In Reach, not so.
Reach hasn’t gotten a TU mostly because the game is built as intended and so far, any tweaks deemed necessary have all been executable from the server-side do to Reach’s forethought on changes.
Although there are some things that undeniably need fixing the game as a whole is really well made. Even a competitive player cannot really deny it.
i remember in a bwu that bungie stated they arent going to patch the game. they also said reach will be handed over to 343 and its going to a be transition. that said, will 343 have to wait for this transition to be completed in order to patch the game or can they do it right now?
and when do you guys expect reach to get its first patch? or have you lost hope?
> Although there are some things that undeniably need fixing the game as a whole is really well made. Even a competitive player cannot really deny it.
I totally can and have been.
> All these points have been made but I also would like some acknowledgment that our concerns are being heard because Bungie doesn’t seem to care what so ever anymore Some just say that all of our woe’s aren’t falling on deaf ears! We just want our game fixed. Also if this fails i’m just gonna start calling MS and Bungie personally till someone fixes this Yoink!!
Bungie’s been listening. Why do you think we have a classic playlist? Why do you think the Arena was changed? Why do you think the tank was taken out of Hemmorhage? Bungie has been listening. Sure, the changes they have made have been playlist/new gametypes but that doesn’t mean they haven’t been listening. A TU will come from 343. Don’t knock Bungie.
Reach is a well made game. People like to bring up population like it automatically means Reach is terrible. Nope, it doesn’t. Population doesn’t have a direct correlation with how good/bad a game is. Watch this. Halo 3 has had around 120k people online in the past 24 hours. Reach has had over 600k. Derp, must mean Halo 3 is a terrible game derp. See how population can’t be used? Reach is different than what Halo fans are used too. Halo has been around for 10 years. Sorry, but I was starting to get tired of the same old thing. Bungie went out and tried something new. For people who actually respect Bungie and are true fans, they respect Reach for what it is.
The point I’m trying to make is people make Reach out to be this complete disaster. lolwut? Sorry, it’s not. I understand if you don’t like it, that’s fine. I respect peoples opinion. What I don’t respect though is how Reach/Bungie are getting thrown under the bus. Almost disgusts me at how much hate Bungie is getting for trying something new. Oh well I suppose.
> > All these points have been made but I also would like some acknowledgment that our concerns are being heard because Bungie doesn’t seem to care what so ever anymore Some just say that all of our woe’s aren’t falling on deaf ears! We just want our game fixed. Also if this fails i’m just gonna start calling MS and Bungie personally till someone fixes this Yoink!!
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> Bungie’s been listening. Why do you think we have a classic playlist? Why do you think the Arena was changed? Why do you think the tank was taken out of Hemmorhage? Bungie has been listening. Sure, the changes they have made have been playlist/new gametypes but that doesn’t mean they haven’t been listening. A TU will come from 343. Don’t knock Bungie.
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> Reach is a well made game. People like to bring up population like it automatically means Reach is terrible. Nope, it doesn’t. Population doesn’t have a direct correlation with how good/bad a game is. Watch this. Halo 3 has had around 120k people online in the past 24 hours. Reach has had over 600k. Derp, must mean Halo 3 is a terrible game derp. See how population can’t be used? Reach is different than what Halo fans are used too. Halo has been around for 10 years. Sorry, but I was starting to get tired of the same old thing. Bungie went out and tried something new. For people who actually respect Bungie and are true fans, they respect Reach for what it is.
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> The point I’m trying to make is people make Reach out to be this complete disaster. lolwut? Sorry, it’s not. I understand if you don’t like it, that’s fine. I respect peoples opinion. What I don’t respect though is how Reach/Bungie are getting thrown under the bus. Almost disgusts me at how much hate Bungie is getting for trying something new. Oh well I suppose.
Bungie is listening to the wrong people unfortunately. They are accelerating the death of the game by making additions and changes to things that don’t need changed and ignoring the problems.