Title Update heard nothing bout no title update.
> Title Update heard nothing bout no title update.
I see…
They dont even game to do something…yet so the TU its still distant
Reach needs this update soon 343…don’t wait until its too late.
@mikemages
You’re the first to complain vehicals are too strong, alot of people say that a DMR or 3 sniper shots killing vehicles is stupid.
Are you sure that it’s really an issue or just you’re playing style. I combat vehicles fine.
> Reach needs this update soon 343…don’t wait until its too late.
Nah, I think the fanbase is stable. But I really do think an update is needed. Hell TUing a game is just the standard procedure for most things I don’t really understand why one hasn’t happened for Reach yet.
> > Reach needs this update soon 343…don’t wait until its too late.
>
> Nah, I think the fanbase is stable. But I really do think an update is needed. Hell TUing a game is just the standard procedure for most things I don’t really understand why one hasn’t happened for Reach yet.
Well bungie’s excuse was that they can create slightly modded gametypes on the fly. Like rocket race, big bro slayer etc’ so there was no need for a TU. They fixed Alpha Zombie and OS is now a fire.
But the core mechanics still need an overhaul.
The following are the main issues in regards to Reach, IMO.
Bloom
Ranking System
AA’s
Maps
Kill times
Melee
In that order.
I understand you may be limited to what you can do now in an attempt to save Reach, however, at least now you guys know where exactly Bungie went wrong.
I mean where is Reach going to be one year from release?
I would imagine it around 5th spot on the XBL Top 10 and that’s before the new CoD comes out. The fact that a Halo game will likely be behind Fifa 12 one year on is an embarrassment to the franchise
> The following are the main issues in regards to Reach, IMO.
>
> Bloom
> Ranking System
> AA’s
> Maps
> Kill times
> Melee
>
> In that order.
>
> I understand you may be limited to what you can do now in an attempt to save Reach, however, at least now you guys know where exactly Bungie went wrong.
>
> I mean where is Reach going to be one year from release?
>
> I would imagine it around 5th spot on the XBL Top 10 and that’s before the new CoD comes out. The fact that a Halo game will likely be behind Fifa 12 one year on is an embarrassment to the franchise
Agreed.
Can anyone explain to me, why 343 is working on a new game, when they could fix the one we have now?
The only excuse for not working on Reach, would have to be one incredible Halo game.
How hard is it to understand AAs arent the probelm. AAs were the BEST thing added to the Halo series, but Armor Lock was the worst thing added.
> How hard is it to understand AAs arent the probelm. AAs were the BEST thing added to the Halo series, but Armor Lock was the worst thing added.
AAs ruined the game.
- Sprint took away our speed.
- Jetpack took away our floaty jumps.
- Evade took away our strafe.
- Armor Lock took away our resistance towards grenades.
- Camo took away our power-up.
- Only Hologram and Dropshield didn’t directly take something away from us.
I really hope a TU can give us back our powers and make AAs OPTIONAL equipment. Sorta how it was like in H3, but to a slightly greater extent.
Also, why are our topics getting mixed together? The admins here are taking any threads about a possible TU and just cutting and pasting them into this one. This is making me lose hope even more. It makes me think 343i is just bunching all of our complaints into one thread like Bungie did with the only BR and AR thread on the Halo 3 forums. They ended up changing nothing about the BR and AR in H3 even though there were thousands of people complaining about them. Is that what is going to happen with Reach?
> > How hard is it to understand AAs arent the probelm. AAs were the BEST thing added to the Halo series, but Armor Lock was the worst thing added.
>
> AAs ruined the game.
>
> - Sprint took away our speed.
> - Jetpack took away our floaty jumps.
> - Evade took away our strafe.
> - Armor Lock took away our resistance towards grenades.
> - Camo took away our power-up.
> - Only Hologram and Dropshield didn’t directly take something away from us.
>
> I really hope a TU can give us back our powers and make AAs OPTIONAL equipment. Sorta how it was like in H3, but to a slightly greater extent.
>
> ___________________________________________________
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> Also, why are our topics getting mixed together? The admins here are taking any threads about a possible TU and just cutting and pasting them into this one. WTF, this is making me lose hope even more. It makes me think 343i is just bunching all of our complaints into one thread like Bungie did with the only BR and AR thread on the Halo 3 forums. They ended up changing nothing about the BR and AR in H3 even though there were thousands of people complaining about them. Is that what is going to happen with Reach?
That makes no sense at all. Also you know what this game would be if we didnt have AAs? Halo with better graphics and better forge. Thats it. Thats not new. Some things were better though I hate how long the kill times are…and Armor Lock…
> That makes no sense at all. Also you know what this game would be if we didnt have AAs? Halo with better graphics and better forge. Thats it. Thats not new. Some things were better though I hate how long the kill times are…and Armor Lock…
How does that not make sense? The reason we move so slow in this game is to make Sprint useful. The reason we jump so low is to make Jetpack useful. See what I’m getting at? This is common knowledge.
And I’m all for new game mechanics, but they have to actually work well and they have to be justified. Armor abilities do not and were certainly not needed. Bungie should’ve just given us better equipment, not full fledged PERKS.
This thread is still going?
There won’t be an update anytime soon although it needs one. Badly.
It all started when Bungie decided to make changes. Why would you change what is awesome? Yeah, I know some people will say “to keep it fresh”. A lot of people hate this “fresh” Halo. Look at Black Ops, this game could have kicked that game in the butt. It SHOULD have.
Bloom and armor lock are both broken!
Scenario 1: I’m stomping a kid and he has no shield and my retitcle is on his head and i keep pulling the trigger but the shots never land, I take a second to let it collapse and the kid kills me because he continues to spam shots instead of focusing on accuracy. Hence i’m punished for being accurate and he is rewarded for playing COD and pulling the trigger as fast as possible.
Scenario 2: Once again stomping a kid and he has no shield and decides to armor lock. Now one of two things will happen he will sit there and his shields will recharge and i will have to stomp him again or his buddy will come and i will have to fight the both of them both with full shields!
If i have the accuracy to shoot you in the head 4 times you should die no if and’s or but’s about it! Also you should have a invincibility button! If i own you, thats it you lost thanks for playing spawn again and try ur luck once more. These two features totally destroyed the fair playing field H3 had established.
343 I hope once ur in charge u fix the game and balance again for us and make everything right in the halo universe until then i’m going back to H3. -Yoink- BUNGIE
> > How hard is it to understand AAs arent the probelm. AAs were the BEST thing added to the Halo series, but Armor Lock was the worst thing added.
>
> AAs ruined the game.
>
> - Sprint took away our speed.
> - Jetpack took away our floaty jumps.
> - Evade took away our strafe.
> - Armor Lock took away our resistance towards grenades.
> - Camo took away our power-up.
> - Only Hologram and Dropshield didn’t directly take something away from us.
>
> I really hope a TU can give us back our powers and make AAs OPTIONAL equipment. Sorta how it was like in H3, but to a slightly greater extent.
>
> ___________________________________________________
>
> Also, why are our topics getting mixed together? The admins here are taking any threads about a possible TU and just cutting and pasting them into this one. WTF, this is making me lose hope even more. It makes me think 343i is just bunching all of our complaints into one thread like Bungie did with the only BR and AR thread on the Halo 3 forums. They ended up changing nothing about the BR and AR in H3 even though there were thousands of people complaining about them. Is that what is going to happen with Reach?
I don’t see how AA’s “ruined” Reach. AA’s add a new dynamic change to Reach. Now, when you engage someone/someone engages you, you have to not only take into account what weapon they’re using, but what AA is in their back pocket. Reach requires you to think more. Maybe people don’t like that, I don’t know.
Making AA’s pick-ups is basically turning Reach into Halo 3. If you want to play Halo 3, go play Halo 3. This is Reach. Reach does not have the BR. You spawn with AA’s. There is bloom. Again I say, it is not Halo 3. Don’t get me wrong though, I’m all for a tweak to AA’s to balance them out more and make bloom work better.
One simple fix that would fix all this is to separate Reach into Ranked and Social playlists. Ranked playlists would have a number(because I know kids love to see a little number by their name). MLG has AA’s as pickups, there ya go. Also, the Classic playlist is actually pretty well done.
I really hope 343 doesn’t change this game to make it like Halo 3. Reach is different. Can 343 tweak Reach? Of course. Like I said, I’m all for an update. I just don’t want Reach turned into Halo 3 just because it’s different.
> > > How hard is it to understand AAs arent the probelm. AAs were the BEST thing added to the Halo series, but Armor Lock was the worst thing added.
> >
> > AAs ruined the game.
> >
> > - Sprint took away our speed.
> > - Jetpack took away our floaty jumps.
> > - Evade took away our strafe.
> > - Armor Lock took away our resistance towards grenades.
> > - Camo took away our power-up.
> > - Only Hologram and Dropshield didn’t directly take something away from us.
> >
> > I really hope a TU can give us back our powers and make AAs OPTIONAL equipment. Sorta how it was like in H3, but to a slightly greater extent.
> >
> > ___________________________________________________
> >
> > Also, why are our topics getting mixed together? The admins here are taking any threads about a possible TU and just cutting and pasting them into this one. WTF, this is making me lose hope even more. It makes me think 343i is just bunching all of our complaints into one thread like Bungie did with the only BR and AR thread on the Halo 3 forums. They ended up changing nothing about the BR and AR in H3 even though there were thousands of people complaining about them. Is that what is going to happen with Reach?
>
> I don’t see how AA’s “ruined” Reach. AA’s add a new dynamic change to Reach. Now, when you engage someone/someone engages you, you have to not only take into account what weapon they’re using, but what AA is in their back pocket. Reach requires you to think more. Maybe people don’t like that, I don’t know.
>
> Making AA’s pick-ups is basically turning Reach into Halo 3. If you want to play Halo 3, go play Halo 3. This is Reach. Reach does not have the BR. You spawn with AA’s. There is bloom. Again I say, it is not Halo 3. Don’t get me wrong though, I’m all for a tweak to AA’s to balance them out more and make bloom work better.
>
> One simple fix that would fix all this is to separate Reach into Ranked and Social playlists. Ranked playlists would have a number(because I know kids love to see a little number by their name). MLG has AA’s as pickups, there ya go. Also, the Classic playlist is actually pretty well done.
>
> I really hope 343 doesn’t change this game to make it like Halo 3. Reach is different. Can 343 tweak Reach? Of course. Like I said, I’m all for an update. I just don’t want Reach turned into Halo 3 just because it’s different.
To be honest I consider AA’s to be as dynamic as an ax through my television. You can’t have straight up combat anymore. Its all about who has the best AA for the situation. Whats dynamic is who has the better gun for the situation. Guns are cool and make you feel like a super soldier. How am I supposed to feel with AA’s? Like a wizard?
Also, I think they sqrewed up a great opportunity with Classic Slayer. Forge world maps are ugly and I get sick of looking at those textures within a couple games.
> How am I supposed to feel with AA’s? Like a wizard?
Would have to say this is a matter of experience and perception. Gameplay analogy-wise, yes parallels can be drawn between wizardy and armour-abilities. They’re called videogames for a reason 
Now if one is aware of Spartans using Jetpacks, jerry-rigged active-camo units, armour add-ons and the existence of other Spartan units (Headhunters), then it is a wonder how the additions of said “abilities” can be attributed to the works of a wizard when the universe itself claims they exist.
It is only now that gameplay is catching up with lore. Long held to lore. 
> > > > How hard is it to understand AAs arent the probelm. AAs were the BEST thing added to the Halo series, but Armor Lock was the worst thing added.
> > >
> > > AAs ruined the game.
> > >
> > > - Sprint took away our speed.
> > > - Jetpack took away our floaty jumps.
> > > - Evade took away our strafe.
> > > - Armor Lock took away our resistance towards grenades.
> > > - Camo took away our power-up.
> > > - Only Hologram and Dropshield didn’t directly take something away from us.
> > >
> > > I really hope a TU can give us back our powers and make AAs OPTIONAL equipment. Sorta how it was like in H3, but to a slightly greater extent.
> > >
> > > ___________________________________________________
> > >
> > > Also, why are our topics getting mixed together? The admins here are taking any threads about a possible TU and just cutting and pasting them into this one. WTF, this is making me lose hope even more. It makes me think 343i is just bunching all of our complaints into one thread like Bungie did with the only BR and AR thread on the Halo 3 forums. They ended up changing nothing about the BR and AR in H3 even though there were thousands of people complaining about them. Is that what is going to happen with Reach?
> >
> > I don’t see how AA’s “ruined” Reach. AA’s add a new dynamic change to Reach. Now, when you engage someone/someone engages you, you have to not only take into account what weapon they’re using, but what AA is in their back pocket. Reach requires you to think more. Maybe people don’t like that, I don’t know.
> >
> > Making AA’s pick-ups is basically turning Reach into Halo 3. If you want to play Halo 3, go play Halo 3. This is Reach. Reach does not have the BR. You spawn with AA’s. There is bloom. Again I say, it is not Halo 3. Don’t get me wrong though, I’m all for a tweak to AA’s to balance them out more and make bloom work better.
> >
> > One simple fix that would fix all this is to separate Reach into Ranked and Social playlists. Ranked playlists would have a number(because I know kids love to see a little number by their name). MLG has AA’s as pickups, there ya go. Also, the Classic playlist is actually pretty well done.
> >
> > I really hope 343 doesn’t change this game to make it like Halo 3. Reach is different. Can 343 tweak Reach? Of course. Like I said, I’m all for an update. I just don’t want Reach turned into Halo 3 just because it’s different.
>
> To be honest I consider AA’s to be as dynamic as an ax through my television. You can’t have straight up combat anymore. Its all about who has the best AA for the situation. Whats dynamic is who has the better gun for the situation. Guns are cool and make you feel like a super soldier. How am I supposed to feel with AA’s? Like a wizard?
> Also, I think they sqrewed up a great opportunity with Classic Slayer. Forge world maps are ugly and I get sick of looking at those textures within a couple games.
Having the better AA in the situation is just the same as having the better weapon. Reach requires you to think more strategically. In Halo 2, the BR was the go-to weapon. Any situation you were in, you could pretty much get out of it with the BR. Sorry, but that’s overpowered. I didn’t play much Halo 3, but it was almost the same outcome. BR this, BR that. Equipment was a start to make players think more during an engagement.
My main point is that AA’s have changed the way the battles go down. I’m not saying AA’s are perfect. However, I believe they are a great idea. I watched the past MLG event and one thing I noticed was teams using AA’s as a power weapon. I will make a side note and say Armor Lock needs serious tweaking, or taken out completely.
You can only do so much with Forge. You have to give them a nod though for Classic Slayer. I think it plays quite nice, and even though the maps don’t look like the predecessors, it does bring back memories. One of my first games in Classic Slayer was Classic Slayer on Noble Creak. I had a lot of fun.
In conclusion, AA’s have changed the way Halo is played. Some people don’t like it, while some do. I personally think Halo needed something to revamp the series.
> > Also, why are our topics getting mixed together? The admins here are taking any threads about a possible TU and just cutting and pasting them into this one. WTF, this is making me lose hope even more. It makes me think 343i is just bunching all of our complaints into one thread like Bungie did with the only BR and AR thread on the Halo 3 forums. They ended up changing nothing about the BR and AR in H3 even though there were thousands of people complaining about them. Is that what is going to happen with Reach?
>
> If it were up to me, this whole thread would be merged with the official feedback thread in the general forums, and all other “TU threads” would be locked/deleted.
>
> You guys are spamming these forums with the same threads day after day…
Discussion =/= Spam
It’s not fair of you, or the admins, to label each of our threads as “just another complaint thread”, or “just another TU thread”. The thread I created wasn’t even about a TU, it was about 343i not giving us any information about their plans to “support” Reach. I explained how I felt like I was being left in the dark, and how it would benefit everyone if 343i stayed in contact with their fans. I was pretty much just asking for some interaction, which seems completely fair.
And for the guy who was talking about AAs…
I think they were just handled wrong. To me, they feel like a crutch, they slow down gameplay and they certainly could’ve been balanced better. I’m not asking for Halo 3 equipment, I’m asking for equipment that doesn’t take away the abilities we are already supposed to have, and I’m asking for actual equipment. AAs feel like perks to me.
I do think they could be salvaged though. If all of the AAs were weakened, and made pickups, they would feel like less of a crutch and still spice up gameplay.