ummmmm what?
I’m not talking about How Reach and H3 pair up now. Obviously the newwer Halo game is going to be doing better…
Why don’t you compare H2’s prime with H3’s prime with Reach’s Prime? It’s obvious this game has low popluation and I’m not bashing Reach. I still play it. I find it to be a pretty fun game but it could have did more to keep people playing.
The link you posted has no value unless you’re agreeing that Reach has a low population count compared to the other Halo games after release.
People can love reach as it is! But having a TU will only make you more happy with reach if you love it and they fix stuff that people want fixed you will still love it!
> I think one thing 343 really needs to take a look is the population count on all the Halo games. Well online multiplayer enabled 2,3, and Reach.
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> In it’s prime their is no doubt Halo 2 was THE GAME to play.
> Halo 3 rode in on Halo 2’s success but was downgraded for the masses.
> Halo Reach killed hope for the millions.
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> Let me explain…
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> Halo 2
> Halo 2 had everything you could want for all players alike.
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> Ranked and Unranked <Why would you move away from such a successful approach.
> Competitive players could fight it out in a very competitive environment .
> Casuals could have fun playing for the love of the game.
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> The maps for the game even when it was just the launch maps were pretty awesome and fit well for their playlists.
> It’s obvious by player numbers that most maps right off the start should cater to 4v4 games. Team Slayer is the bread and butter of what makes Halo.
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> Halo 2 had it figured out. Great 4v4 maps and good amounts of them. And a lot of the maps worked for BTB to.
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> Extra assisting…
> For some players aim assist, melee lunge, bigger hitboxes, and bullet magnetism were awesome. It helps when the game lags it keeps the game moving at a faster pace and it keeps more casuals playing the game. It helps the skill gap tremendously. It’s the reason that Shadowrun wasn’t as popluar as it could have been. Why would you want to hop on a game occasionally when everyone playing it is going to romp on you? Halo needs to be more of a pick up and play to cater to the masses that have moved on to CoD. I’m not saying make it super easy I’m just saying make it easier and fun like Halo 2.
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> Their is a ton more I can say about Halo 2 but I’ll move on to the next one…
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> Halo 3
> Halo 3 had a big population of players because most of the initial mechanics of the game were left untouched. Some of the things in the game did drive more casuals away.
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> Leading targets…
> In a lag free world this is ok but through live anything is possible when it comes to sub par connections. Hit scan was awesome and thats why it was brought back in Reach.
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> iffy map design…
> Don’t get me wrong H3 had some good maps but nothing that compared to Halo 2. Bungie went with the more and bigger is better approach. More being more spots to camp bigger being where the hell are all the nice 4v4 maps? Or even arena style symmetrical maps.
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> First attempt at breaking the golden triangle…
> Bungie didn’t completely ruin the way Halo was played just yet with the inclusion of equipment. It was just like a more varied form of the camo and overshield pick ups. Some actually had pretty good uses.
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> Overall Halo 3 wasn’t bad and not that much different from H2 but it could have been a bit better.
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> Halo Reach
> Where should I begin…
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> Bloom…
> The idea is ok but really it’s not for Halo. In a game that strives to be competitive yet fast paced you don’t want to have things slowwing you down. You can pace your shots with the BR in the other games when you get the exact timing down of the shots without the added ability to catch a random shot to the face.
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> AA’s The destruction of the golden triangle…
> And no not just armor lock. All aa’s have something that makes them bad… The ability to spawn with them. Every single AA’s slows the game down.
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> Camo: You go stealthy others hide from your stealthyness.
> Armor Lock: You rockatize people rage.
> Evade: Getting shot at? Roll out!
> Sprint: Getting Shot at? RUN!
> Drop Shield: Get shot at drop cover
> Hologram: Not as bad at slowing things down but it still can
> Jetpack: Getting shot? Fly to a second floor.
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> Their are many more things I could say about AA’s but I’ll just leave it at that.
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> No Ranked/Unranked…(The reason Reachs population isn’t doing as good as previous games IMO)
> Halo can’t survive in a mixed sea of ranked/casual players. The idea of not having ranked and unranked playlists was the dumbest thing to happen to Halo. Unranked kids want to enjoy themselves not get matched up with competitive people. Hardcore competitives can only stand not having a challenge for so long. Bungie is really the only company to this day to pull the ranking system off to near perfection. Why run away from it? It was a bad move for all the players sake.
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> Horrible Maps…
> DLC maps are actually pretty good but the launch maps were the worst out of any Halo game. I don’t even want to explain. I am sure many vets of the Halo series would agree. But please make sure your launch maps are good. You don’t want people quitting the game only to try to win them back with DLC to fix the holes from the launch maps. Good launch maps are a MUST for the next Halo.
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> So to sum things up the next Halo game must cater to both casuals and competitive players alike. Some people might say Reach is noobified but that is most certainly not the case. HR had the least assisting of any online Halo game. Aim assist, bullet magnetism, and all that other stuff doesn’t make the skill gap for pros much smaller either. Pros will be pros casuals will be casuals but their will be less casuals if the game is almost impossible to pick up and play. The addition of armor lock and bloom doesn’t mean Reach caters to noobs either those are just fail mechanics to the game that can be used and abused by all players.
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> Please 343… Bring the fun back to Halo!
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> I don’t think everyone will agree with everything I have to say. Thats alright with me. Everyone has their own opinions and I would like to hear what others think.
Perfect. You give me hope for halo, please 343i, take this guy seriously he knows what he’s talking about.
> People can love reach as it is! But having a TU will only make you more happy with reach if you love it and they fix stuff that people want fixed you will still love it!
I disagree and that’s always been my point.
To change the mechanics now will just alienate the current user base even more.
Taking out bloom or implimenting whatever change you want… you’re going to lose more people than you’re going to gain.
STARTING with the THOUSANDS that don’t care to log on a forum and keep up with what the minority want. They’re just going to log in one day, find out they have to download a patch, and when they’re done, all they’ll know is that their Halo doesn’t play like they are used to.
It will piss them off and they will quit.
This game is fine.
No TU needed.
PLEASE BS ANGEL, keep up the good work, and lock the other threads like this. There’s no reason that Waypoint needs a DOZEN threads with the same people whining about the same things.
> > People can love reach as it is! But having a TU will only make you more happy with reach if you love it and they fix stuff that people want fixed you will still love it!
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> I disagree and that’s always been my point.
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> To change the mechanics now will just alienate the current user base even more.
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> Taking out bloom or implimenting whatever change you want… you’re going to lose more people than you’re going to gain.
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> STARTING with the THOUSANDS that don’t care to log on a forum and keep up with what the minority want. They’re just going to log in one day, find out they have to download a patch, and when they’re done, all they’ll know is that their Halo doesn’t play like they are used to.
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> It will piss them off and they will quit.
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> This game is fine.
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> No TU needed.
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> PLEASE BS ANGEL, keep up the good work, and lock the other threads like this. There’s no reason that Waypoint needs a DOZEN threads with the same people whining about the same things.
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> One whiners thread is enough.
Dude, are you trying to start a flame war? We have been pretty reasonable up to this point. Besides, what if your wrong? What if this game is getting all these hate threads cuz its got features that don’t meet the common gamers needs? Did that ever orrur to you?
> Dude, are you trying to start a flame war? We have been pretty reasonable up to this point. Besides, what if your wrong? What if this game is getting all these hate threads cuz its got features that don’t meet the common gamers needs? Did that ever orrur to you?
What did occur to me, is that every Halo Forum has a group of people, whining about the same things.
And each of those people, start and bump their own threads till all you see are THEIR whines.
Go to the General Forum here. You see that “ABC Game” thread? Not really Halo related… but fun. I pop my head in there and sometimes leave something, sometimes not. But whatever, it’s all in good fun.
Now what if I were to post another “ABC Game” thread in this forum, and then again in every other Waypoint Forum… A little annoying, right?
That’s what I’m saying to you about “Title Update” threads. They’re the same people, whining about the same things.
It’s evidence that:
A.) People wanting a TU, don’t know what they are talking about, because they CLEARLY don’t even know how to search a forum for an existing topic.
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B.) The actual number of people wanting a fix to this game is MUCH MUCH MUCH smaller than what a game studio should be catering to.
I think it best for the thread to try and avoid flame posters. Just state your opinion like an adult.
Some people agree an Update is needed. Some don’t or disagree slightly. No need to start a slanging match.
So from now on, don’t feed the fire. 
> It’s evidence that:
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> A.) People wanting a TU, don’t know what they are talking about, because they CLEARLY don’t even know how to search a forum for an existing topic.
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> and
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> B.) The actual number of people wanting a fix to this game is MUCH MUCH MUCH smaller than what a game studio should be catering to.
A. I think i know what i’m talking about with 10 years of Halo experience behind me. Service Record to prove my play time etc’
Plus your post’s are getting irrational, seems like you are trying to flame. Just chill just a discussion.
B. Hard to say, i meet alot of people. Not everyone is on a forum so this is neither here or there. I think the older community are disheartened by reach. The newer population don’t mind as much.
Plus haven’t you noticed the population drop? In comparison to the previous games. Where 3years after release Halo 3 was still 1.5million UP strong. ( Don’t quote me just from memory ) Halo 2 given was the best original xbox experience and stayed top for 5years onwards.
Reach is only 8months and the population averages at around 500,000UP per 24 hours, Online at one time can be as little as 20k to 100K at Peak times.
Halo 3 was a steady 700k at Peak a year or so after release.
The numbers do speak for themselves. You can’t deny this.
I’m not saying that a TU will increase it, but should save it.
> PLEASE BS ANGEL, keep up the good work, and lock the other threads like this. There’s no reason that Waypoint needs a DOZEN threads with the same people whining about the same things.
It’s important that people have a place to voice their opinions. This is one of the main threads for that. I can appreciate that not everybody wants to participate in these discussions, so should that be the case, please simply excuse yourself from the conversation. As long as people are being respectful to others, threads like this are fine.
This goes to everybody: Please only post if you are contributing to the discussion. Otherwise, removing yourself from the thread is the best option. Thanks!
> Plus haven’t you noticed the population drop? In comparison to the previous games. Where 3years after release Halo 3 was still 1.5million UP strong. ( Don’t quote me just from memory ) Halo 2 given was the best original xbox experience and stayed top for 5years onwards.
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> Reach is only 8months and the population averages at around 500,000UP per 24 hours, Online at one time can be as little as 20k to 100K at Peak times.
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> Halo 3 was a steady 700k at Peak a year or so after release.
> The numbers do speak for themselves. You can’t deny this.
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> I’m not saying that a TU will increase it, but should save it.
I’ll have to control myself a bit better, it’s difficult when I see you post such logical, obvious things and yet these guys still cling to their beliefs, denying everything.
How about some evidence for you?
https://www.bungie.net/Forums/posts.aspx?postID=57614483&postRepeater1-p=1
http://replay.waybackmachine.org/20091223105209/http://www.bungie.net/Online/Default.aspx Halo 3 Population on December 23rd 2009 (2 years after release).
Halo Reach’s population 7 months after release - Bungie.net
http://replay.waybackmachine.org/20081217012700/http://www.bungie.net/Projects/Halo3/default.aspx You can scroll through the dates and the years; the numbers for Halo 3 pretty much stay the same.
Deny that.
I completely agree. You can have optimal settings from the players’ perspectives.
> Perfect. You give me hope for halo, please 343i, take this guy seriously he knows what he’s talking about.
Thank you. I just really hope 343 brings the frantic fast paced style gameplay back to Halo.
this game seriously needs a title update.
and for all of those that say “if you don’t like it then don’t play it” … well most of the people who bought the game did simply that. they left. they weren’t satisfied and they’re gone.
and the game loses more with each month that goes by.
Things like this would be great to be able to customize them in Forged custom maps/gametypes as well as giving the option for 3rd person gameplay in some custom gametypes would def add some change to Halo=)
> I think they could implement them, even if they had to put an update through xbox live or something. It’s definitely possible, just look at how the added FLAMING FEET to the guy with the over-shield in the the classic playlist.
that’s not even remotely the same thing. bungie added an effect that was already on the games disc. what you want would require a title update.
343 was in charge of the map pack. But Jeremiah and his small crew seem to be in control of halo. Jeremiah is only capable of adding social gametypes and not fixing or helping other issues. Why has 343 not taken control of this game? The population is reaching pathetic levels. What is going on 343? Take control and fix this
343i didn’t make the map pack just fyi.
they hired the company that made it right?
> 343 was in charge of the map pack. But Jeremiah and his small crew seem to be in control of halo. Jeremiah is only capable of adding social gametypes and not fixing or helping other issues. Why has 343 not taken control of this game? The population is reaching pathetic levels. What is going on 343? Take control and fix this
While I want this game changed, I feel it might be to little to late to change it. My friends ( all 18 of them ) left 4 months ago and only play COD now after 8 years of Halo. It is a shame.