Title Update Discussion

We all now know Bungie are ignoring the communitys crys for the gameplay to be changed. I just hope when you’re “handed the keys”, you will see things differently.

I’m not going indepth about the problems. We all know what they are.

UPDATE 17/07/2011
Refer to Page 109 for the new news!

ORLY? NEOGAF

UPDATE 2
Frankie replies in a b.net thread,

> If you guys, or at least the guys who are mad that the TU won’t be meaningful, actually read what I said and what I was responding to, you might have a better context. The poster I responded to was concerned that the TU would universally change Reach’s entire gameplay and feel. It can and will make significant changes, but these will be handled in playlists, not just used across the board. Some people love the way Reach plays now, some people want to see new (and old, classic) features and gameplay changes. They will see these things, in playlists clearly labeled.
>
> I personally love Reach. I also love CE, Halo 2 and Halo 3. All of those games have very cool and significantly different aspects.
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> We will describe the content of the TU and the features and changes it will enable fairlly soon. I am confident that there will be aspects of the TU that appeal to everyone in this thread, and I have read it all.
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> The trick will be implementing them appropriately.

Also he replies on page 120 with further clarification

Yes.Please.

343 has Reach now they’re just not telling anyone.

From what ive heard, the 343 guys lend a hand to the halo communtiy from the heavens, telling us not to worry. Master Chiefs mind may be concluded but the halo series is obviously not master chiefs mind.

Please fix the issues in multiplayer. Bungie sooner ignores the issues than fix and take pride in the game and instead squeezing out as much money as they can (two map packs within 6 months and no TU even though its more than asked for by the community).

So many people have their hopes high for 343i. You should have seen the halo reach forums last night.

A) There’s nothing to fix

and

B) If you ever actually took the time to read Bungie’s messages (BWU), then you would know that they’ve been working on a major multiplayer update for quite some time now.

And don’t make up rumors. It doesn’t make you look cool.

Armor lock has overstayed its welcome in competitive game modes.

> A) There’s nothing to fix
>
> and
>
> B) If you ever actually took the time to read Bungie’s messages (BWU), then you would know that they’ve been working on a major multiplayer update for quite some time now.
>
> And don’t make up rumors. It doesn’t make you look cool.

from a competitive standpoint this game is the most broken mess I’ve witnessed

That isnt fair. But it certainly is the least competitive of the four. And most frustrating at a high level.

What needs fixed, exactly?

Bloom and Armour Lock aren’t “broken” to start with. It’s just your perception of them.

> What needs fixed, exactly?
>
> Bloom and Armour Lock aren’t “broken” to start with. It’s just your perception of them.

Speaking as a high level player ( Onyx and multiple 50s in halo 3, not elitism just credentials for my next point), the DMR bloom is not optimal. Just increasing the size of expansion and faster contraction could help. As it stands the most effective RoF for every fight in the close to medium range 1v1 is “spam” dispite what you may believe. You will miss shots, sure, but those misses are made up for by the RoF. So when 2 skilled players engage in a 1v1 combat 2/3 of the encounters will be decided by whose spammed shots hit first (ie luck). This makes the DMR unreliable and frustrating.

> What needs fixed, exactly?
>
> Bloom and Armour Lock aren’t “broken” to start with. It’s just your perception of them.

the problem with bloom is it rewards spamers and punishes people hwo pace their shots, only people who pace their shots win if you are shooting across the map.

as for AL the problem is people abuse it so much, as well as the EMP effect. i personaly it should last 4 seconds instead of 6 and EMP should only activate if you are in it for 3 seconds at least. i mean come on look at the last clip in top 5 lockdown that proves it’s being abused for EMP.

Random number generators are supposed to stay in casinos and out of FPS’s! ( bloom )

> B) If you ever actually took the time to read Bungie’s messages (BWU), then you would know that they’ve been working on a major multiplayer update for quite some time now.

May I ask where? I’ve been reading their updates and all they talk about are playlist changes and screenshots.

> > What needs fixed, exactly?
> >
> > Bloom and Armour Lock aren’t “broken” to start with. It’s just your perception of them.
>
> Speaking as a high level player (not elitism just credentials for my next point), the DMR bloom is not optimal. Just increasing the size of expansion and faster contraction could help. As it stands the most effective RoF for everything in a 1v1 is “spam” dispite what you may believe. You will miss shots, sure, but those misses are made up for by the RoF. So when 2 skilled players engage in a 1v1 combat 2/3 of the encounters will be decided by whose spammed shots hit first (ie luck). This makes the DMR unreliable and frustrating.

^this^

hurry

Agreed. 343 can start greatly out of the gate if you guys take what the community has been saying and fix:
Kill times
Grenades
Armor Lock
DMR Bloom
A few other weapon balancing issues
Movement Speed

If you can address these, the community will love you. Please, don’t pull a Bungie and ignore your fans, I’ve given up hope that they will give us the Title Update this game needs.

> > > What needs fixed, exactly?
> > >
> > > Bloom and Armour Lock aren’t “broken” to start with. It’s just your perception of them.
> >
> > Speaking as a high level player (not elitism just credentials for my next point), the DMR bloom is not optimal. Just increasing the size of expansion and faster contraction could help. As it stands the most effective RoF for everything in a 1v1 is “spam” dispite what you may believe. You will miss shots, sure, but those misses are made up for by the RoF. So when 2 skilled players engage in a 1v1 combat 2/3 of the encounters will be decided by whose spammed shots hit first (ie luck). This makes the DMR unreliable and frustrating.
>
> ^this^

I also second this.

> Agreed. 343 can start greatly out of the gate if you guys take what the community has been saying and fix:
> Kill times
> Grenades
> Armor Lock
> DMR Bloom
> A few other weapon balancing issues
> Movement Speed
>
> If you can address these, the community will love you. Please, don’t pull a Bungie and ignore your fans, I’ve given up hope that they will give us the Title Update this game needs.

The thing is, just look at what the community ask on Bungie.net forum. Big part of that was:

  • DMR Bloom
  • Armor-lock (something really simple can be done, I will explain it behind)
  • Faster Kill-time
  • Increase speed and jump (a little bit will be fine).
  • The melee system
  • Nades decreases damages
  • Vehicules needs to resist a bit more to weapons
  • And a viable ranking system for Arena (Bungie is working on it). A rank that we can view everywhere (like H3, click the guy and got his rank)

Maybe it’s some huges changements but please answer about that. Say just yes or no, or maybe. We just need to see that something is coming to make Reach better and better.

Armor-lock: just let it in BTB games that includes vehicules. Or nerf it.