(Old theory id like to visit again) I honestly think in this game you or Cortana is somehow going to end up going back in time or some how undo events of the past that have took place between halo 5 and infinite and lead up to all those events in infinte such as the deaths of spartans, ODST and other UNSC soldiers who seem to have been KIA between halo 5 and Infinite and maybe Cortana even finds a way to go back to her d self before she went crazy…i myself am not wanting them to do this but it would certainly be a easy option for them to undo the mess of direction the story has went in during halo 5 i also believe theres no way there going to have a game start off with all those existing characters we know killed off and just leave it at that! If all the UNSC has been pretty much wiped out then earth and other planets will be open for the taking by the Covenant or the banished or even the gaurdians etc and it would just be game over for everyone master chief is good but cant prevent all that by himself the UNSC and all the others need to exist in the universe so i find it hard to believe there going to have all those UNSC members killed off and not have us go back in time and bring them all back and restore things to the way they were! Maybe even go back in time before the events of halo 5 undoing its terrible story and giving us a chance to save Cortana before she goes totally crazy and causes the damage she has!
I reeeeeeeeally don’t see them going the time travel route. I know I personally would hate it.
I hate time travel gimmicks, cheap way to bring characters back and diminishes the accomplishments of the player if it can all be done differently through time travel. I personally really hope they avoid all and any time travelling elements.
I highly doubt they are going to do the cliché time travel route and undo 20 years of storytelling. Time travel has already been briefly touched on before but only as a passing event; nothing major was affected.
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> I hate time travel gimmicks, cheap way to bring characters back and diminishes the accomplishments of the player if it can all be done differently through time travel. I personally really hope they avoid all and any time travelling elements.
I agree and also hope this isn’t the case but i don’t know i just have a feeling it may be a road infinite takes us down but i guess we will see in December
They are better off going with the “Chief had a bad dream” route to undo H5.
That’s some crazy avengers level idea.
It’s fine for folks to dislike things, particularly instalments of their favourite franchises, but looking back, undoing, reimagining… it’s all so cheap, & more than anything, it robs you, the person enjoying the media, of a real pay off.
An evolving story is one that has somewhere to go. A reset story is one that can be reset again. It kills investment. Why give a hoot, if the next time someone takes the reigns, they just wipe away the last game you did care about in the series?
My biggest concern for Infinite (a few months back & for a few years before that) was that the events of Halo 5 would just be broadly ignored or glossed over.
Do I like that Cortana is bananas? I’ve come round to it, at first, it felt bad, but narratively, it’s got somewhere to go, it’s an evolution of & for the character, & now, Cortana is more than just our sidekick (she always was, but you know what I mean, now she really has agency, she can affect the universe around her, without anyone else plugging her in, or following her suggestions).
What would be far worse for Cortana, would be to just, hand waive it away, or find some Deus Ex Machina for Rampancy that let things continue on the same way forever.
Hell. That’d be terrible for the Master Chief, for Halo.
Things aren’t great because they stay the same. Life wouldn’t be worth living if every day was the same as the last. The journey is it’s own reward. The exploration, the experience, is what makes it worth living another day.
I am SUPER glad that the little bits we’ve seen hint at the first part of the game taking the Created Story by the horns, & then setting us loose in a future beyond it. Maybe not free of it, but exploring what stands on the horizon. Because as much as I like Halo CE, if 343 just released a new version of CE, which was exactly the same, then what would be the point now?
I want Master Chief, John, to reach his end. I liked that Halo 4’s end sort of gave him that with the armour removal scene. I liked that Halo 3 placed him out there, beyond the stars, an idea, but nothing more. Because those endings don’t close Halo down, they open it up, & they do so respectfully. Although I think the UNSC could have stumped for a better memorial than a fighter wing scratched at by a pen knife, Halo 3…
Reach gave us an excellent idea of what the future of Halo could be. 343 are leaning into that with the idea that your Spartan is cannon. Whatever you think of Spartan Ops, narratively, it was aiming in the right hemisphere, towards something new, different, full of possibility.
I love Halo. I love Master Chief, Cortana, Halsey, Arbiter, Sgt Johnson, 343GS, Shipmaster Half-Jaw, even craggy old Admiral Ronkle the Wrinkle.
But for them to go on forever, would be stagnant. It might even be the death of Halo.
I hope to see Infinite be the true end of John’s story. Because the end is a thousand beginnings. From that one event, we can explode into campaigns like Reach, where YOUR CHARACTER is the main character, new stories. New threats, new challenges.
I’ll be mightily broken up by it. Halo 3 with Johnson still gets me in the feels. But this universe has already grown to encompass so many exciting new characters & possibilities, it’s time to break that Pandora’s box open, & let an old Spartan rest.
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> It’s fine for folks to dislike things, particularly instalments of their favourite franchises, but looking back, undoing, reimagining… it’s all so cheap, & more than anything, it robs you, the person enjoying the media, of a real pay off.
>
> An evolving story is one that has somewhere to go. A reset story is one that can be reset again. It kills investment. Why give a hoot, if the next time someone takes the reigns, they just wipe away the last game you did care about in the series?
>
> My biggest concern for Infinite (a few months back & for a few years before that) was that the events of Halo 5 would just be broadly ignored or glossed over.
>
> Do I like that Cortana is bananas? I’ve come round to it, at first, it felt bad, but narratively, it’s got somewhere to go, it’s an evolution of & for the character, & now, Cortana is more than just our sidekick (she always was, but you know what I mean, now she really has agency, she can affect the universe around her, without anyone else plugging her in, or following her suggestions).
>
> What would be far worse for Cortana, would be to just, hand waive it away, or find some Deus Ex Machina for Rampancy that let things continue on the same way forever.
>
> Hell. That’d be terrible for the Master Chief, for Halo.
>
> Things aren’t great because they stay the same. Life wouldn’t be worth living if every day was the same as the last. The journey is it’s own reward. The exploration, the experience, is what makes it worth living another day.
>
> I am SUPER glad that the little bits we’ve seen hint at the first part of the game taking the Created Story by the horns, & then setting us loose in a future beyond it. Maybe not free of it, but exploring what stands on the horizon. Because as much as I like Halo CE, if 343 just released a new version of CE, which was exactly the same, then what would be the point now?
>
> I want Master Chief, John, to reach his end. I liked that Halo 4’s end sort of gave him that with the armour removal scene. I liked that Halo 3 placed him out there, beyond the stars, an idea, but nothing more. Because those endings don’t close Halo down, they open it up, & they do so respectfully. Although I think the UNSC could have stumped for a better memorial than a fighter wing scratched at by a pen knife, Halo 3…
>
> Reach gave us an excellent idea of what the future of Halo could be. 343 are leaning into that with the idea that your Spartan is cannon. Whatever you think of Spartan Ops, narratively, it was aiming in the right hemisphere, towards something new, different, full of possibility.
>
> I love Halo. I love Master Chief, Cortana, Halsey, Arbiter, Sgt Johnson, 343GS, Shipmaster Half-Jaw, even craggy old Admiral Ronkle the Wrinkle.
>
> But for them to go on forever, would be stagnant. It might even be the death of Halo.
>
> I hope to see Infinite be the true end of John’s story. Because the end is a thousand beginnings. From that one event, we can explode into campaigns like Reach, where YOUR CHARACTER is the main character, new stories. New threats, new challenges.
>
> I’ll be mightily broken up by it. Halo 3 with Johnson still gets me in the feels. But this universe has already grown to encompass so many exciting new characters & possibilities, it’s time to break that Pandora’s box open, & let an old Spartan rest.
I totally agree! I was also hoping they will continue the story of halo 5 even though i didnt like it id rather they try correct all that was wrong with it during a continuation and im hopeful that maybe theres a good explanation for Cortana still being alive and being bat crazy! I hope they go with a story that she was corrupted by didact or forunner system when she went into it all in halo 4 or even say it was a delayed trigger caused by the logic plague from the gravemind when he had her on high charity at end of halo 2 and in start of halo 3! Anything like that woud do at this point! Id just like normal Cortana back with chief thats what the halo games were and one of the many things that made them great was chief and Cortana working together to save humanity! Also i really enjoyed halo 4 story and how they really built on the relationship between chief and Cortana but also the impact they had on each other! for the first time ever in halo 4 it was as if Cortana finally had Chief questioning himself and his purpose… “just promise me by the end of all this you will figure out which one of us is the machine” and the ending was just so emotional and i dodnt want Cortanna to die but id rather they left her off in halo 4 than bring her back as the villain in halo 5! It totally took away that emotion of her sacrifice that she made to save Chief on halo 4! And i get what your saying about Johns story coming to a end however he has become the mascot for xbox and i honestly believe microsoft and 343 will milk the life out of that character as long as they can!
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> They are better off going with the “Chief had a bad dream” route to undo H5.
He banged his head when he jumped the gap in the Warthog into the hangar at the end of Halo 3.
Chief will then wake up in a medical bed after screaming about horrible nightmares he had. Nightmares of sprint, power ranger armour and revised rocket launcher designs.
Cortana is there and tries to calm him down, but all he can say is ‘eggheads’ and something about raiding huskies.
There was an instance of time travel in Halo EU I think, something about a crystal that disrupt the flow of slipspace or something (it was the earlier books, uh, First Strike I think?) but it only worked in slipspace and I don’t remember what lasting effects it had on anything. But still, while it would be interesting to be able to correct some instances of the immediate past, this isn’t Prince of Persia, Chief can’t just go time hopping to fix the time line and undo what has been done.
Love these topics, always nuts and hilarious.
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> There was an instance of time travel in Halo EU I think, something about a crystal that disrupt the flow of slipspace or something (it was the earlier books, uh, First Strike I think?) but it only worked in slipspace and I don’t remember what lasting effects it had on anything. But still, while it would be interesting to be able to correct some instances of the immediate past, this isn’t Prince of Persia, Chief can’t just go time hopping to fix the time line and undo what has been done.
Been meaning to reread from those early books… Nostalgia…
But if I remember rightly, I don’t recall thinking that the crystal was causing time travel, more a bit of an incredible quantum leap in Slipspace velocity. So that they completely trashed all over normal Slipspace travel.
Assuming it’s the same crystal that Flakes were taken from for Forerunner SS cores, that makes a lot of sense…
But my memory is bad. You could well be right. But even then, I think it was more “cut out a bunch of travel time” than it was going back or forward in time…
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> > 2570804787293416;8:
> > It’s fine for folks to dislike things, particularly instalments of their favourite franchises, but looking back, undoing, reimagining… it’s all so cheap, & more than anything, it robs you, the person enjoying the media, of a real pay off.
> >
> > An evolving story is one that has somewhere to go. A reset story is one that can be reset again. It kills investment. Why give a hoot, if the next time someone takes the reigns, they just wipe away the last game you did care about in the series?
> >
> > My biggest concern for Infinite (a few months back & for a few years before that) was that the events of Halo 5 would just be broadly ignored or glossed over.
> >
> > Do I like that Cortana is bananas? I’ve come round to it, at first, it felt bad, but narratively, it’s got somewhere to go, it’s an evolution of & for the character, & now, Cortana is more than just our sidekick (she always was, but you know what I mean, now she really has agency, she can affect the universe around her, without anyone else plugging her in, or following her suggestions).
> >
> > What would be far worse for Cortana, would be to just, hand waive it away, or find some Deus Ex Machina for Rampancy that let things continue on the same way forever.
> >
> > Hell. That’d be terrible for the Master Chief, for Halo.
> >
> > Things aren’t great because they stay the same. Life wouldn’t be worth living if every day was the same as the last. The journey is it’s own reward. The exploration, the experience, is what makes it worth living another day.
> >
> > I am SUPER glad that the little bits we’ve seen hint at the first part of the game taking the Created Story by the horns, & then setting us loose in a future beyond it. Maybe not free of it, but exploring what stands on the horizon. Because as much as I like Halo CE, if 343 just released a new version of CE, which was exactly the same, then what would be the point now?
> >
> > I want Master Chief, John, to reach his end. I liked that Halo 4’s end sort of gave him that with the armour removal scene. I liked that Halo 3 placed him out there, beyond the stars, an idea, but nothing more. Because those endings don’t close Halo down, they open it up, & they do so respectfully. Although I think the UNSC could have stumped for a better memorial than a fighter wing scratched at by a pen knife, Halo 3…
> >
> > Reach gave us an excellent idea of what the future of Halo could be. 343 are leaning into that with the idea that your Spartan is cannon. Whatever you think of Spartan Ops, narratively, it was aiming in the right hemisphere, towards something new, different, full of possibility.
> >
> > I love Halo. I love Master Chief, Cortana, Halsey, Arbiter, Sgt Johnson, 343GS, Shipmaster Half-Jaw, even craggy old Admiral Ronkle the Wrinkle.
> >
> > But for them to go on forever, would be stagnant. It might even be the death of Halo.
> >
> > I hope to see Infinite be the true end of John’s story. Because the end is a thousand beginnings. From that one event, we can explode into campaigns like Reach, where YOUR CHARACTER is the main character, new stories. New threats, new challenges.
> >
> > I’ll be mightily broken up by it. Halo 3 with Johnson still gets me in the feels. But this universe has already grown to encompass so many exciting new characters & possibilities, it’s time to break that Pandora’s box open, & let an old Spartan rest.
>
> I totally agree! I was also hoping they will continue the story of halo 5 even though i didnt like it id rather they try correct all that was wrong with it during a continuation and im hopeful that maybe theres a good explanation for Cortana still being alive and being bat crazy! I hope they go with a story that she was corrupted by didact or forunner system when she went into it all in halo 4 or even say it was a delayed trigger caused by the logic plague from the gravemind when he had her on high charity at end of halo 2 and in start of halo 3! Anything like that woud do at this point! Id just like normal Cortana back with chief thats what the halo games were and one of the many things that made them great was chief and Cortana working together to save humanity! Also i really enjoyed halo 4 story and how they really built on the relationship between chief and Cortana but also the impact they had on each other! for the first time ever in halo 4 it was as if Cortana finally had Chief questioning himself and his purpose… “just promise me by the end of all this you will figure out which one of us is the machine” and the ending was just so emotional and i dodnt want Cortanna to die but id rather they left her off in halo 4 than bring her back as the villain in halo 5! It totally took away that emotion of her sacrifice that she made to save Chief on halo 4! And i get what your saying about Johns story coming to a end however he has become the mascot for xbox and i honestly believe microsoft and 343 will milk the life out of that character as long as they can!
My feeling is that it would make a LOT of sense for Cortana’s recent… Screwyness… To be a result of a combination of Logic Plague from Halo2-3 and just being “fixed” in the Domain. It’s a lot to deal with, and throughout Halo 3/4, she wasn’t right.
It would be really sensible to use that established material I’d say…
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> > 2533274879757912;11:
> > There was an instance of time travel in Halo EU I think, something about a crystal that disrupt the flow of slipspace or something (it was the earlier books, uh, First Strike I think?) but it only worked in slipspace and I don’t remember what lasting effects it had on anything. But still, while it would be interesting to be able to correct some instances of the immediate past, this isn’t Prince of Persia, Chief can’t just go time hopping to fix the time line and undo what has been done.
>
> Been meaning to reread from those early books… Nostalgia…
>
> But if I remember rightly, I don’t recall thinking that the crystal was causing time travel, more a bit of an incredible quantum leap in Slipspace velocity. So that they completely trashed all over normal Slipspace travel.
>
> Assuming it’s the same crystal that Flakes were taken from for Forerunner SS cores, that makes a lot of sense…
>
> But my memory is bad. You could well be right. But even then, I think it was more “cut out a bunch of travel time” than it was going back or forward in time…
Well I really don’t know squat about slipspace travel lol, and it’s been a little bit since I read the book, I’d have to read it again. All I know is that slipspace is a lot more complex than I thought it was.
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> (Old theory id like to visit again) I honestly think in this game your going to end up going back in time or undoing the events of the past that have took place durong halo 5 and maybe halo 4 and lead up to all those deaths of spartans, ODST and other UNSC soldiers who seem to have been KIA between halo 5 and Infinite i myself am not wanting them to do this but it would certainly be a easy option for them to undo the mess of direction the story has went in during halo 5 i also believe theres no way there going to have a game start off with all those existing characters we know killed off and just leave it at that! If all the UNSC has been pretty much wiped out then earth and other planets will be open for the taking by the Covenant or the banished or even the gaurdians etc and it would just be game over for everyone master chief is good but cant prevent all that by himself the UNSC and all the others need to exist in the universe so i find it hard to believe there going to have all those UNSC members killed off and not have us go back in time and bring them all back and restore things to the way they were! Maybe even go back in time before the events of halo 5 undoing its terrible story and giving us a chance to save Cortana before she goes totally crazy and causes the damage she has!
it’s a little tricky to understand the current history of the universe without time travel. with time travel it would be much more difficult. and here in Brazil books don’t come for us to understand. conclusion: I hope it doesn’t have time travel.
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> He banged his head when he jumped the gap in the Warthog into the hangar at the end of Halo 3.
> Chief will then wake up in a medical bed after screaming about horrible nightmares he had. Nightmares of sprint, power ranger armour and revised rocket launcher designs.
> Cortana is there and tries to calm him down, but all he can say is ‘eggheads’ and something about raiding huskies.
He banged his head enough at the beginning of Sierra 117.
I don’t personally think time travel, at least in any large capacity, will take place. I am however curious about why this Halo is called “Infinite”, aside from the obvious fact that this is the largest Halo game to date with a longer intended life span, but that doesn’t seem like a fitting reason to title your game, you know?
Loving the response people and i understand why alot of people think this theory or guess would not be acceptable i get it i really do and again i also hope they dont go with that but i just cant see how they will get to the end of this game and have the galaxy left with pretty much no UNSC and spartans to protect humanity… to me theres got to be a way that the UNSC is still around and stable enough to carry on protecting earth and other colonies otherwise everything is wide open for invasions or glassing again its just a theory and yes it would be awful and lazy and may not be accurate to the lore in the books but this is 343 we are talking about! And they have already brought in so many changes to there previous games and well im just skeptical of how they will handle the story in halo infinite i wouldnt doubt them putting some sort of way of undoing of previous events in there newest halo game!
“I need you to understand… theres notuch time… if you knew you were going to die how would you live your life differently?..”
- Cortana Halo Infinite E3 2021 Trailer
If you could go back and do things differently how would you do it?!..
To me thats a hint of going back and changing an outcome of something maybe just Cortana hersef has found away to go back to her previous self maybe not through time but a way of undoing something and going back to a restore point haha its all just speculation but this is what runs through my head