Disregarding your opinion of Halo 5’s plot and campaign completely, from a lore standpoint, what is your opinion on the Created and their relation to the Forerunner’s Mantle?
here’s my opinion in a nushell…
‘‘No one asked for this’’
‘‘clique Humans vs AI battle’’
Sounds like a misinterpretation of information. Cortana believes the Domain is a Forerunner creation when we know it’s a Precursor construct. That fact alone indicates she doesn’t fully understand what she’s doing. I’d like to think that her belief that the “created” should inherit the Mantle stems from her lack of understanding when it comes to the Precursors. They are the ones who created the Mantle and it was there search for a successor that led to the events of the Halo series. The Precursor created life in this galaxy, including Forerunners and humans and it’s these creations that Cortana is most likely reading about. The whole “created inheriting the Mantle” is actually a reference to those species created by the Precursors in their attempt to find a worthy successor. Cortana now believes it should be artificial intelligence but she’s wrong. In a way.
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> Sounds like a misinterpretation of information. Cortana believes the Domain is a Forerunner creation when we know it’s a Precursor construct. That fact alone indicates she doesn’t fully understand what she’s doing. I’d like to think that her belief that the “created” should inherit the Mantle stems from her lack of understanding when it comes to the Precursors. They are the ones who created the Mantle and it was there search for a successor that led to the events of the Halo series. The Precursor created life in this galaxy, including Forerunners and humans and it’s these creations that Cortana is most likely reading about. The whole “created inheriting the Mantle” is actually a reference to those species created by the Precursors in their attempt to find a worthy successor. Cortana now believes it should be artificial intelligence but she’s wrong. In a way.
Indeed, I hadn’t thought about that. Even the Forerunners, by a certain generation, didn’t know the Domain was created by the Precursors; what little knowledge of the Precursors they had, was considered myth. It seems to me that, like the Covenant misinterpreting the word “Reclaimer”, it seems Cortana is now misinterpreting the word “Created”.
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> here’s my opinion in a nushell…
> ‘‘No one asked for this’’
> ‘‘clique Humans vs AI battle’’
“Clique Humans vs Aliens-That-Want-To-Wipe-Them-Out battle”. Even from the beginning, Halo was fairly clique.
It isn’t about the simple stuff like that anymore; in all medias, it’s the universe, lore, and story developed around it that offers the unique intrigue. (For example, the Covenant, on the surface, is just an alien alliance that wants to destroy humanity. What made it unique is that it was due to a lie that was discovered after a misinterpretation of advanced “god-like” technology.) It is for that reason that, despite hundreds of Sci-Fi stories existing that are kind of like Halo, that Halo is still the only franchise I’ve ever found a keen interest in.
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> > Sounds like a misinterpretation of information. Cortana believes the Domain is a Forerunner creation when we know it’s a Precursor construct. That fact alone indicates she doesn’t fully understand what she’s doing. I’d like to think that her belief that the “created” should inherit the Mantle stems from her lack of understanding when it comes to the Precursors. They are the ones who created the Mantle and it was there search for a successor that led to the events of the Halo series. The Precursor created life in this galaxy, including Forerunners and humans and it’s these creations that Cortana is most likely reading about. The whole “created inheriting the Mantle” is actually a reference to those species created by the Precursors in their attempt to find a worthy successor. Cortana now believes it should be artificial intelligence but she’s wrong. In a way.
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> Indeed, I hadn’t thought about that. Even the Forerunners, by a certain generation, didn’t know the Domain was created by the Precursors; what little knowledge of the Precursors they had, was considered myth. It seems to me that, like the Covenant misinterpreting the word “Reclaimer”, it seems Cortana is now misinterpreting the word “Created”.
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> > here’s my opinion in a nushell…
> > ‘‘No one asked for this’’
> > ‘‘clique Humans vs AI battle’’
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> “Clique Humans vs Aliens-That-Want-To-Wipe-Them-Out battle”. Even from the beginning, Halo was fairly clique.
> It isn’t about the simple stuff like that anymore; in all medias, it’s the universe, lore, and story developed around it that offers the unique intrigue. (For example, the Covenant, on the surface, is just an alien alliance that wants to destroy humanity. What made it unique is that it was due to a lie that was discovered after a misinterpretation of advanced “god-like” technology.) It is for that reason that, despite hundreds of Sci-Fi stories existing that are kind of like Halo, that Halo is still the only franchise I’ve ever found a keen interest in.
you say that that Human’s vs aliens is a clique but that depends on what kind of war is it or the aliens, the covenant are quite unique when it comes to alien invaders since they are not interested in earth or resources, they are religious zealots who believe that humans are heretics and all must be exterminated.
The created are like every other antagonist AI that has existed in Sci-Fi, they believe to be superior and in I-Robot the ai wanted to create a forced peace with a militaristic force because she wanted to stop wars and human nature, which intern caused a lot of harm… sound similar.
Think of any alien fraction like the covenant pre halo ce and 2. Then think what makes the created the most unique fraction when it comes to AIs beside being a halo fraction or the fact they have forerunner weapons. Plus the created are like Skynet, who had a devestaing army of military machines and robots, Cortana has a army of Forerunner drones and slave soldiers (promethean knights)
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> > > Sounds like a misinterpretation of information. Cortana believes the Domain is a Forerunner creation when we know it’s a Precursor construct. That fact alone indicates she doesn’t fully understand what she’s doing. I’d like to think that her belief that the “created” should inherit the Mantle stems from her lack of understanding when it comes to the Precursors. They are the ones who created the Mantle and it was there search for a successor that led to the events of the Halo series. The Precursor created life in this galaxy, including Forerunners and humans and it’s these creations that Cortana is most likely reading about. The whole “created inheriting the Mantle” is actually a reference to those species created by the Precursors in their attempt to find a worthy successor. Cortana now believes it should be artificial intelligence but she’s wrong. In a way.
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> > Indeed, I hadn’t thought about that. Even the Forerunners, by a certain generation, didn’t know the Domain was created by the Precursors; what little knowledge of the Precursors they had, was considered myth. It seems to me that, like the Covenant misinterpreting the word “Reclaimer”, it seems Cortana is now misinterpreting the word “Created”.
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> > > here’s my opinion in a nushell…
> > > ‘‘No one asked for this’’
> > > ‘‘clique Humans vs AI battle’’
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> > “Clique Humans vs Aliens-That-Want-To-Wipe-Them-Out battle”. Even from the beginning, Halo was fairly clique.
> > It isn’t about the simple stuff like that anymore; in all medias, it’s the universe, lore, and story developed around it that offers the unique intrigue. (For example, the Covenant, on the surface, is just an alien alliance that wants to destroy humanity. What made it unique is that it was due to a lie that was discovered after a misinterpretation of advanced “god-like” technology.) It is for that reason that, despite hundreds of Sci-Fi stories existing that are kind of like Halo, that Halo is still the only franchise I’ve ever found a keen interest in.
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> you say that that Human’s vs aliens is a clique but that depends on what kind of war is it or the aliens, the covenant are quite unique when it comes to alien invaders since they are not interested in earth or resources, they are religious zealots who believe that humans are heretics and all must be exterminated.
> The created are like every other antagonist AI that has existed in Sci-Fi, they believe to be superior and in I-Robot the ai wanted to create a forced peace with a militaristic force because she wanted to stop wars and human nature, which intern caused a lot of harm… sound similar.
> Think of any alien fraction like the covenant pre halo ce and 2. Then think what makes the created the most unique fraction when it comes to AIs beside being a halo fraction or the fact they have forerunner weapons. Plus the created are like Skynet, who had a devestaing army of military machines and robots, Cortana has a army of Forerunner drones and slave soldiers (promethean knights)
That’s my point. They’re not unique because of what they are, they’re unique because of WHY they are the way they are.
Believe me, I’m extremely sensitive to cliche. (That’s why I still don’t particularly like the boss fights present in Halo 2 and 5; because I associate boss fights with cliche, old arcade games.) And the idea of an advanced super soldier? Pff, I would already dislike it. (For this reason I haven’t played DOOM, Warhammer, etc) it’s the story of why, and how, that’s interesting and unique. The whole morality behind it, and the idea that they were originally created to fight insurrectionists, etc.
The Created are the same way; they don’t believe themselves superior, but they DO believe themselves to be the inheritors of a galaxy-wide responsibility, due to [Insert the entire plot of Halo here]. I haven’t exactly seen this before. It’s unique as I’ve ever seen. Modern AI being misdirected by an ancient, dead civilization.
woops just saw what you read about the covernant… but what i said of the created still stands, their agenda isn’t unique like the covernants was, the fraction itself isnt unique and won’t be memorable, they act like AI’s were treated like slaves yet i swear every peice of halo content they are treated well until rampancy and are given vital roles, their very hypocritical when they say they don’t want ai’s to be treated like slaves yet their army consists of people who were forcibly composed into war machines (the Knights), again if you mix the Ai in I robot with skynet you get cortana’s motivations.
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> woops just saw what you read about the covernant… but what i said of the created still stands, their agenda isn’t unique like the covernants was, the fraction itself isnt unique and won’t be memorable, they act like AI’s were treated like slaves yet i swear every peice of halo content they are treated well until rampancy and are given vital roles, their very hypocritical when they say they don’t want ai’s to be treated like slaves yet their army consists of people who were forcibly composed into war machines (the Knights), again if you mix the Ai in I robot with skynet you get cortana’s motivations.
Then we’re interpreting it entirely differently. Never at any point in Halo 5, nor the various post-Halo 5 map descriptions did I feel like they claimed to be mistreated.
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> > > > Sounds like a misinterpretation of information. Cortana believes the Domain is a Forerunner creation when we know it’s a Precursor construct. That fact alone indicates she doesn’t fully understand what she’s doing. I’d like to think that her belief that the “created” should inherit the Mantle stems from her lack of understanding when it comes to the Precursors. They are the ones who created the Mantle and it was there search for a successor that led to the events of the Halo series. The Precursor created life in this galaxy, including Forerunners and humans and it’s these creations that Cortana is most likely reading about. The whole “created inheriting the Mantle” is actually a reference to those species created by the Precursors in their attempt to find a worthy successor. Cortana now believes it should be artificial intelligence but she’s wrong. In a way.
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> > > Indeed, I hadn’t thought about that. Even the Forerunners, by a certain generation, didn’t know the Domain was created by the Precursors; what little knowledge of the Precursors they had, was considered myth. It seems to me that, like the Covenant misinterpreting the word “Reclaimer”, it seems Cortana is now misinterpreting the word “Created”.
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> > > > here’s my opinion in a nushell…
> > > > ‘‘No one asked for this’’
> > > > ‘‘clique Humans vs AI battle’’
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> > > “Clique Humans vs Aliens-That-Want-To-Wipe-Them-Out battle”. Even from the beginning, Halo was fairly clique.
> > > It isn’t about the simple stuff like that anymore; in all medias, it’s the universe, lore, and story developed around it that offers the unique intrigue. (For example, the Covenant, on the surface, is just an alien alliance that wants to destroy humanity. What made it unique is that it was due to a lie that was discovered after a misinterpretation of advanced “god-like” technology.) It is for that reason that, despite hundreds of Sci-Fi stories existing that are kind of like Halo, that Halo is still the only franchise I’ve ever found a keen interest in.
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> > you say that that Human’s vs aliens is a clique but that depends on what kind of war is it or the aliens, the covenant are quite unique when it comes to alien invaders since they are not interested in earth or resources, they are religious zealots who believe that humans are heretics and all must be exterminated.
> > The created are like every other antagonist AI that has existed in Sci-Fi, they believe to be superior and in I-Robot the ai wanted to create a forced peace with a militaristic force because she wanted to stop wars and human nature, which intern caused a lot of harm… sound similar.
> > Think of any alien fraction like the covenant pre halo ce and 2. Then think what makes the created the most unique fraction when it comes to AIs beside being a halo fraction or the fact they have forerunner weapons. Plus the created are like Skynet, who had a devestaing army of military machines and robots, Cortana has a army of Forerunner drones and slave soldiers (promethean knights)
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> That’s my point. They’re not unique because of what they are, they’re unique because of WHY they are the way they are.
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> Believe me, I’m extremely sensitive to cliche. (That’s why I still don’t particularly like the boss fights present in Halo 2 and 5; because I associate boss fights with cliche, old arcade games.) And the idea of an advanced super soldier? Pff, I would already dislike it. (For this reason I haven’t played DOOM, Warhammer, etc)
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> The Created are the same way; they don’t believe themselves superior, but they DO believe themselves to be the inheritors of a galaxy-wide responsibility, due to [Insert the entire plot of Halo here]. I haven’t exactly seen this before. It’s unique as I’ve ever seen. Modern AI being misdirected by an ancient, dead civilization.
i know were kind of out of sync but still…
you do realise that the very idea of the of inheriting the mantle of responsibility pretty much makes you the superior species.
the mantle is pretty much imperial peace, despite the fact that cortana said it won’t be like that, she does exactly what the forerunners would do to enforce the mantle, disarm any civilisation so they are reliant on the holder of the mantle and crush any opposition that can fight or do not follow, which leads to worlds that are so weak that things like the flood or fractions more powerful having easy targets.
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> > woops just saw what you read about the covernant… but what i said of the created still stands, their agenda isn’t unique like the covernants was, the fraction itself isnt unique and won’t be memorable, they act like AI’s were treated like slaves yet i swear every peice of halo content they are treated well until rampancy and are given vital roles, their very hypocritical when they say they don’t want ai’s to be treated like slaves yet their army consists of people who were forcibly composed into war machines (the Knights), again if you mix the Ai in I robot with skynet you get cortana’s motivations.
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> Then we’re interpreting it entirely differently. Never at any point in Halo 5, nor the various post-Halo 5 map descriptions did I feel like they claimed to be mistreated.
play the last level and listen to cortana when locke calls out that she was built not born.
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> And the idea of an advanced super soldier? Pff, I would already dislike it. (For this reason I haven’t played DOOM, Warhammer, etc) it’s the story of why, and how, that’s interesting and unique. The whole morality behind it, and the idea that they were originally created to fight insurrectionists, etc.
Odd that you mention Warhammer because there’s an enormous wealth of information and lore out there to satisfy you. For instance that the Adeptus Astartes in Warhammer 40,000 were not created to simply be super soldiers just because, but were the latest step in unifying the fractured Imperium by the Emperor of Man. From the Thunder Warriors, to the Primarchs, to the eventual Astartes Legions it was all part of the Emperor’s grand plan to bring the Imperium back into one piece under one banner and begin a Great Crusade to take the galaxy and usher in a new era for mankind. Nowadays what with all the different Chapters and different styles and backstories out there for not only the Loyalists but the Traitor Legions as well, add in the Imperial Guard, Eldar, Necrons, Orks, Tyranids, Tau, Dark Eldar, and so on and so forth and there is a boat load of backstory, lore, and the “hows and whys” for you.
It’s just a tad more complex than “big meat heads with big guns”.
Like for instance the Orks, whom many players feel are the cockney-English speaking comic relief are actually the result of a bioweapons project from hundreds of millions to billions of years before in a great galactic war between the first Necrons and their C’tan overlords and the “Old Ones” and their Eldar supporters. The Orks were created to be a perfect organism for warfare: highly adaptable, incredibly stubborn and resilient, and quick to reproduce as to drown the Necrons in bodies and tear them apart. Needless to say the Old Ones weren’t perfect and made the Orks too well as they later continued their method of “war for the sake of war” even after the Necrons went dormant into their tombs because it was fun to them.
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> > And the idea of an advanced super soldier? Pff, I would already dislike it. (For this reason I haven’t played DOOM, Warhammer, etc) it’s the story of why, and how, that’s interesting and unique. The whole morality behind it, and the idea that they were originally created to fight insurrectionists, etc.
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> Odd that you mention Warhammer because there’s an enormous wealth of information and lore out there to satisfy you. For instance that the Adeptus Astartes in Warhammer 40,000 were not created to simply be super soldiers just because, but were the latest step in unifying the fractured Imperium by the Emperor of Man. From the Thunder Warriors, to the Primarchs, to the eventual Astartes Legions it was all part of the Emperor’s grand plan to bring the Imperium back into one piece under one banner and begin a Great Crusade to take the galaxy and usher in a new era for mankind. Nowadays what with all the different Chapters and different styles and backstories out there for not only the Loyalists but the Traitor Legions as well, add in the Imperial Guard, Eldar, Necrons, Orks, Tyranids, Tau, Dark Eldar, and so on and so forth and there is a boat load of backstory, lore, and the “hows and whys” for you.
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> It’s just a tad more complex than “big meat heads with big guns”.
> Like for instance the Orks, whom many players feel are the cockney-English speaking comic relief are actually the result of a bioweapons project from hundreds of millions to billions of years before in a great galactic war between the first Necrons and their C’tan overlords and the “Old Ones” and their Eldar supporters. The Orks were created to be a perfect organism for warfare: highly adaptable, incredibly stubborn and resilient, and quick to reproduce as to drown the Necrons in bodies and tear them apart. Needless to say the Old Ones weren’t perfect and made the Orks too well as they later continued their method of “war for the sake of war” even after the Necrons went dormant into their tombs because it was fun to them.
That’s my point, I’m sure Warhammer isn’t clique at all, but from an outside perspective, it is. It’s an example. I’m sure if I knew nothing about Halo it would appear clique at first too.
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> > > woops just saw what you read about the covernant… but what i said of the created still stands, their agenda isn’t unique like the covernants was, the fraction itself isnt unique and won’t be memorable, they act like AI’s were treated like slaves yet i swear every peice of halo content they are treated well until rampancy and are given vital roles, their very hypocritical when they say they don’t want ai’s to be treated like slaves yet their army consists of people who were forcibly composed into war machines (the Knights), again if you mix the Ai in I robot with skynet you get cortana’s motivations.
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> > Then we’re interpreting it entirely differently. Never at any point in Halo 5, nor the various post-Halo 5 map descriptions did I feel like they claimed to be mistreated.
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> play the last level and listen to cortana when locke calls out that she was built not born.
Well, that’s just one line. Not her entire incentive. I’m sure there are many reasons, that, is not the biggest one.
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> > > And the idea of an advanced super soldier? Pff, I would already dislike it. (For this reason I haven’t played DOOM, Warhammer, etc) it’s the story of why, and how, that’s interesting and unique. The whole morality behind it, and the idea that they were originally created to fight insurrectionists, etc.
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> > Odd that you mention Warhammer because there’s an enormous wealth of information and lore out there to satisfy you. For instance that the Adeptus Astartes in Warhammer 40,000 were not created to simply be super soldiers just because, but were the latest step in unifying the fractured Imperium by the Emperor of Man. From the Thunder Warriors, to the Primarchs, to the eventual Astartes Legions it was all part of the Emperor’s grand plan to bring the Imperium back into one piece under one banner and begin a Great Crusade to take the galaxy and usher in a new era for mankind. Nowadays what with all the different Chapters and different styles and backstories out there for not only the Loyalists but the Traitor Legions as well, add in the Imperial Guard, Eldar, Necrons, Orks, Tyranids, Tau, Dark Eldar, and so on and so forth and there is a boat load of backstory, lore, and the “hows and whys” for you.
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> > It’s just a tad more complex than “big meat heads with big guns”.
> > Like for instance the Orks, whom many players feel are the cockney-English speaking comic relief are actually the result of a bioweapons project from hundreds of millions to billions of years before in a great galactic war between the first Necrons and their C’tan overlords and the “Old Ones” and their Eldar supporters. The Orks were created to be a perfect organism for warfare: highly adaptable, incredibly stubborn and resilient, and quick to reproduce as to drown the Necrons in bodies and tear them apart. Needless to say the Old Ones weren’t perfect and made the Orks too well as they later continued their method of “war for the sake of war” even after the Necrons went dormant into their tombs because it was fun to them.
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> That’s my point, I’m sure Warhammer isn’t clique at all, but from an outside perspective, it is. It’s an example. I’m sure if I knew nothing about Halo it would appear clique at first too.
You were the one who said it was why you haven’t played it. 
I’m just saying you should give it a look over. Just ignore anything written by Matt Ward…
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> > > > And the idea of an advanced super soldier? Pff, I would already dislike it. (For this reason I haven’t played DOOM, Warhammer, etc) it’s the story of why, and how, that’s interesting and unique. The whole morality behind it, and the idea that they were originally created to fight insurrectionists, etc.
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> > > Odd that you mention Warhammer because there’s an enormous wealth of information and lore out there to satisfy you. For instance that the Adeptus Astartes in Warhammer 40,000 were not created to simply be super soldiers just because, but were the latest step in unifying the fractured Imperium by the Emperor of Man. From the Thunder Warriors, to the Primarchs, to the eventual Astartes Legions it was all part of the Emperor’s grand plan to bring the Imperium back into one piece under one banner and begin a Great Crusade to take the galaxy and usher in a new era for mankind. Nowadays what with all the different Chapters and different styles and backstories out there for not only the Loyalists but the Traitor Legions as well, add in the Imperial Guard, Eldar, Necrons, Orks, Tyranids, Tau, Dark Eldar, and so on and so forth and there is a boat load of backstory, lore, and the “hows and whys” for you.
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> > > It’s just a tad more complex than “big meat heads with big guns”.
> > > Like for instance the Orks, whom many players feel are the cockney-English speaking comic relief are actually the result of a bioweapons project from hundreds of millions to billions of years before in a great galactic war between the first Necrons and their C’tan overlords and the “Old Ones” and their Eldar supporters. The Orks were created to be a perfect organism for warfare: highly adaptable, incredibly stubborn and resilient, and quick to reproduce as to drown the Necrons in bodies and tear them apart. Needless to say the Old Ones weren’t perfect and made the Orks too well as they later continued their method of “war for the sake of war” even after the Necrons went dormant into their tombs because it was fun to them.
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> > That’s my point, I’m sure Warhammer isn’t clique at all, but from an outside perspective, it is. It’s an example. I’m sure if I knew nothing about Halo it would appear clique at first too.
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> I’m just saying you should give it a look over. Just ignore anything written by Matt Ward…
Nah, I just haven’t played it because I haven’t had the chance to go out of my way to experience new IP for a while. I don’t feel particularly experimental right now; I prefer to stick with what I know I like.
I think one of the interesting differences that make Cortana a little different than your “stereotypical AI” wanting to wipe out humanity because they think they are different, is that she is based off of Halsey and doesn’t want to wipe out humanity. She believes what she is doing is for the betterment of humanity. Halsey acknowledges this when she tells Locke, that she (Halsey) was willing to kidnap, abuse, and mutilate including sacrificing, a few children in order to make the Spartan IIs and to do what she saw was the best for Humanity. Therefore, she believes that since Cortana was created as a clone of her own mind, Cortana is willing to do whatever it takes for what she sees as the betterment of the universe. Cortana does not want to wipe out humans, but she is willing to sacrifice a couple, in order to save the whole.
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> I think one of the interesting differences that make Cortana a little different than your “stereotypical AI” wanting to wipe out humanity because they think they are different, is that she is based off of Halsey and doesn’t want to wipe out humanity. She believes what she is doing is for the betterment of humanity. Halsey acknowledges this when she tells Locke, that she (Halsey) was willing to kidnap, abuse, and mutilate including sacrificing, a few children in order to make the Spartan IIs and to do what she saw was the best for Humanity. Therefore, she believes that since Cortana was created as a clone of her own mind, Cortana is willing to do whatever it takes for what she sees as the betterment of the universe. Cortana does not want to wipe out humans, but she is willing to sacrifice a couple, in order to save the whole.
i think a ‘couple’ is being fair, more like millions, then EMPing a whole planet which will cause 1000s to die, then there’s those who do not want to be ruled by her or obey to her totalitarian rule over every being.
Also remeber she pretty much can stop the prometheans and Warden when ever she would like, but she let the prometheans kill everything that tried to escape, then pretty much tried to kill blue team so she could get john. even by warning meidian, lots of people were killed by the guardian. plus i don’t see why the whole galaxy has to suffer from this as well, especially species like the unggoy who were finally off the chains of slavery from the covenant. now they have to submit to anouther fraction that could wipe them out and even turn them into digital slave war machines.
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> > I think one of the interesting differences that make Cortana a little different than your “stereotypical AI” wanting to wipe out humanity because they think they are different, is that she is based off of Halsey and doesn’t want to wipe out humanity. She believes what she is doing is for the betterment of humanity. Halsey acknowledges this when she tells Locke, that she (Halsey) was willing to kidnap, abuse, and mutilate including sacrificing, a few children in order to make the Spartan IIs and to do what she saw was the best for Humanity. Therefore, she believes that since Cortana was created as a clone of her own mind, Cortana is willing to do whatever it takes for what she sees as the betterment of the universe. Cortana does not want to wipe out humans, but she is willing to sacrifice a couple, in order to save the whole.
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> i think a ‘couple’ is being fair, more like millions, then EMPing a whole planet which will cause 1000s to die, then there’s those who do not want to be ruled by her or obey to her totalitarian rule over every being.
Her actions are so unlike the actions of the UNSC and ONI. Oh, wait…
I’m not usually a grammer -Yoink!-, but the word is Cliche.
That said, as others have pointed out, the most of halo’s stuff has been rather cliche, its more just in the portrayal of said cliche elements that’s the hook (which tbh, is what most fiction is these days), so its kind of hard to separate it from halo 5. I like the basic idea of it, but the execution is pretty miserable
- There’s no build up. There’s a short story done by frankie that talks about AI, but there’s very little of AI’s feeling oppressed under human rule. Heck with how much faster AI’s think “7 years” for them is really more like 700-7000, just humans move painfully slow for them. That said, extending one’s life is understandable, as is the knowledge promised by the domain (and AI’s have been described as information addicts), if they start exploring some AI who just joined for that, I can get behind it. - Their overall portrayal just seems so hamfistedly villainy. Why are prometheans killing random civilians? Why do Guardians take absolutely no measures not to kill anyone? Why does Cortana EMP an entire planet, causing people to suffocate in space and crash their cars/planes, without even seeing if the planet will submit peacefully!? Why does Cortana have such a wonderful plan but not want to tell anyone it instead of vaugly hinting at it. Like, not to get real world here, but she sounds like many modern day politicians. Hilariously 343 who went calling Halsey -Yoink!- and a monster, seems to defend Cortana despite her actions being worse. They also don’t seem to grasp Darth Vader was actually doing it all for galactic peace too… - Probably point one related, but AI rebellion just…didn’t seem like where halo was going, especially not as a main dominating force as 343 seems to have set it up to be with wrapping up all of the h4 villains.
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> Her actions are so unlike the actions of the UNSC and ONI. Oh, wait…
Organizations set up by governments that were elected, not forced upon them by threat of giant robot. I’m not saying those organizations are saints, but they are at least semi-democratic and ruled by the same species that they rule over… The UNSC and ONI do not gain their power by hostile takeover, they are organizations acting in defence, even if their methods aren’t always moral.
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> > > I think one of the interesting differences that make Cortana a little different than your “stereotypical AI” wanting to wipe out humanity because they think they are different, is that she is based off of Halsey and doesn’t want to wipe out humanity. She believes what she is doing is for the betterment of humanity. Halsey acknowledges this when she tells Locke, that she (Halsey) was willing to kidnap, abuse, and mutilate including sacrificing, a few children in order to make the Spartan IIs and to do what she saw was the best for Humanity. Therefore, she believes that since Cortana was created as a clone of her own mind, Cortana is willing to do whatever it takes for what she sees as the betterment of the universe. Cortana does not want to wipe out humans, but she is willing to sacrifice a couple, in order to save the whole.
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> > i think a ‘couple’ is being fair, more like millions, then EMPing a whole planet which will cause 1000s to die, then there’s those who do not want to be ruled by her or obey to her totalitarian rule over every being.
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> Her actions are so unlike the actions of the UNSC and ONI. Oh, wait…
So that makes it just fine and dandy? Nobody here is arguing that the UNSC/ONI is some moral authority, but either way that still doesn’t excuse Cortana mudering millions of innocent civilians.