http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=Xj1jyTcAtdQ#t=45s
Not a matter of opinion anymore. The BR will NEVER win, under any circumstances, against a DMR as long as both players don’t miss and start shooting at the same time.
Decreasing the firing rate of the DMR slightly would solve the problem, I think. But 343i, if you’re reading this, don’t pull a Bungie and nerf it to the point of uselessness.
I think overall RoF nerf would either make it useless, or they wouldn’t make it noticable. The real fix is, in my opinion, make the bloom 5x what it is now, and reset 4x as fast. Up close you couldn’t keep up with the BR, but at range you would have time to wait for the bloom to settle because of the massive BR spread.
It is easier to get the final headshot with the BR(due to the 3 round burst) than it is with the DMR, especially at closer ranges.
That video leaves out advantages like that that the BR has.
I bet this thread gets buried because ppl here can’t accept the truth.
> It is easier to get the final headshot with the BR than it is with the DMR, especially at closer ranges.
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> That video leaves out advantages like that that the BR has.
But still DMR kills faster and is very good in all ranges unlike BR which can only compete with DMR in CQC (and even then DMR can kick BRs -Yoink-).
> It is easier to get the final headshot with the BR than it is with the DMR, especially at closer ranges.
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> That video leaves out advantages like that that the BR has.
Maybe true, but the game shouldn’t cater to those who can’t aim. Thats the whole point right? Above a certain skill level, we all almost always get all 5. Not to mention the DMR has only to hit with a single bullet. If the BR misses one round of any of the first four bursts, he will take 6 trigger pulls to kill. Even with perfect aim that can happen.
Semi-off topic: Who the hell decided to make the BR a 5 shot kill? 4 shot just sounds cooler. lol
Yeah I like the BR more but I know I’m at a disadvantage using it. I hate that when I’m against other competent players using it, using it also is my only choice if I want to keep up, its annoying as hell.
EDIT: Hey could you do a video showing how the DMR compares to the Carbine? It would be much appreciated.
Start the video at 5:50, that explains everything.
> It is easier to get the final headshot with the BR than it is with the DMR, especially at closer ranges.
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> That video leaves out advantages like that that the BR has.
true…
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=Xj1jyTcAtdQ#t=45s
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> Not a matter of opinion anymore. The BR will NEVER win, under any circumstances, against a DMR as long as both players don’t miss and start shooting at the same time.
Not true. If both players land a slight but equal amount of grenade damage on each other, the player with the BR will be able to kill the player with the DMR in 4 shots, while the DMR user will still need 5 shots, which he cannot get off before the BR’s 4. This is the case in any scenario in which both players have taken slight damage.
Whats messed up about this is that veteran players who have come back, excited to play this game BECAUSE of the battle rifle and the promise of true competitiveness in the game are getting wrecked by noobs camping, spamming with their auto-aim assisted bullet magnetizing DMR bullcrap and killing them before and battle can every be really played out. This is turning into a camp fest now. Its ridiculous that a DMR can suppress and kill a player with a sniper rifle from ACROSS THE MAP, literally. A DMR has aim-assist all the way from a base on Valhalla to the top of the middle hill. Not to mention that atrocious fire rate…jesus. The thing badly needs a nerd, its really killing the game for me and a lot of my friends. This should be a game of skill, not who has a better camping spot with an overpowered mini sniper with a 14 round magazine. -Yoink- the DMR
Don’t nerf the DMR and over complicate things, just remove the vertical spread on the BR! Maybe increase the BR’s fire rate by the slightest amount to bring them into being equal kill times.
If 343 gets into changing the damages and significantly changing fire rates, the game has a higher chance of running into problems.
It would make sense that a closer range weapon have a higher rate of fire. Thats what I would like to see with the BR, or slow the DMR down a bit and make the bloom a bit more evident.
I’m an old school BR guy, how about we get an MLG BR start playlist with DMR as a power weapon, I wouldn’t play anything else. All I’ve really wanted from the beginning was Halo 2 with better graphics anyway.
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> > http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=Xj1jyTcAtdQ#t=45s
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> > Not a matter of opinion anymore. The BR will NEVER win, under any circumstances, against a DMR as long as both players don’t miss and start shooting at the same time.
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> Not true. If both players land a slight but equal amount of grenade damage on each other, the player with the BR will be able to kill the player with the DMR in 4 shots, while the DMR user will still need 5 shots, which he cannot get off before the BR’s 4. This is the case in any scenario in which both players have taken slight damage.
Well damn. I sat and thought for a solid 5 minutes on how to refute that, then tested it in game. You are right. Under one (hell, maybe two) very specific circumstances the BR is potentially capable of winning. Under all others, the DMR takes it.
> It would make sense that a closer range weapon have a higher rate of fire. Thats what I would like to see with the BR, or slow the DMR down a bit and make the bloom a bit more evident.
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> I’m an old school BR guy, how about we get an MLG BR start playlist with DMR as a power weapon, I wouldn’t play anything else. All I’ve really wanted from the beginning was Halo 2 with better graphics anyway.
QFT.
Also, a little signature piece is rather unnecessary when every can read your name to the left. Sorry, it just bothers my OCD. lol
Like I said in a reply on youtube.
I use both (firepower ftw) depending on the situation i’m in. Most people have this way of thinking that one weapon is all purpose all use, but that is no longer true. I had to completely change my way of playing because of how all the weapons completely destroy each other in various combat situations. I don’t think it’s OP.
> > It would make sense that a closer range weapon have a higher rate of fire. Thats what I would like to see with the BR, or slow the DMR down a bit and make the bloom a bit more evident.
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> > I’m an old school BR guy, how about we get an MLG BR start playlist with DMR as a power weapon, I wouldn’t play anything else. All I’ve really wanted from the beginning was Halo 2 with better graphics anyway.
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> QFT.
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> Also, a little signature piece is rather unnecessary when every can read your name to the left. Sorry, it just bothers my OCD. lol
I use it so people will call me “Ghosted” and not “Holy” or “Holy Ghosted”
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This is where the skill comes in. If your aim is spot on and perfect, then use the DMR. For the rest of us who miss the occasional shot, the BR with its increased bullet magnetism and auto-aim, gives a little bit more help, for a result almost as good.
As it is right now, I’ll warm up with the BR, then after a game or two switch to the DMR.
I like that the BR is a little easier to use, but the DMR will beat it if used well - allows for new people to get into the game and do something, but doesn’t detract from the skill gap. More effective weapons should be harder to use, and I’m glad 343i has embraced this.
> Like I said in a reply on youtube.
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> I use both (firepower ftw) depending on the situation i’m in. Most people have this way of thinking that one weapon is all purpose all use, but that is no longer true. I had to completely change my way of playing because of how all the weapons completely destroy each other in various combat situations. I don’t think it’s OP.
That would be okay if there was some range or something where the BR actually out-classed the DMR at all, but there isn’t. As it stands, the DMR will beat the BR even within melee range.
Watch the video.
> Well damn. I sat and thought for a solid 5 minutes on how to refute that, then tested it in game. You are right. Under one (hell, maybe two) very specific circumstances the BR is potentially capable of winning. Under all others, the DMR takes it.
Haha well, I could have saved you the trouble testing it in game with this. I went through and got BR vs DMR comparisons at all shield levels. But yeah, personally I am in favor of a slight ROF nerf on the DMR to make it around 1.8s like the BR, because it does seem like it might need it since it usually does beat out the competition. But that doesn’t mean its impossible to win with the BR, especially in close quarters when grenades are flying around.