I for the love of everything can not stand the current ranking system in this game or how it places you with fellow team members. More often then not I am on the losing team at the top of the leaderboard. No matter how hard I play and place on the top I always get put in gold or silver because my “team” does nothing at all or die a bunch and drop out leaving me to lose. I do not find it fair that some one like myself who is decent at a game has to be constantly pared with low skill gamer and have to play against people at my skill level or higher almost always guaranteeing me a loss. Heck last night I single handedly won a game of Capture the flag because my entire team decided they just wanted to kill each other and play hunt the power weapons. I cant even count how many games of breakout I have played and been the only team member to live and have to finish the entire game alone.
The only good thing that’s come out of it, is that it has forced me to become a better player and push myself to hopefully win the game and place a little higher up. But there is a limit to how much that can happen. In this months qualifiers I literally just did not care to play or what my rank was and my performance dropped by a huge amount. This is also not the first time I have complained about it and I am sure I am not the only person to do so. this is vary stressful. How can I test MY true skill if my team is always bringing me down???
Yes I have also teamed up with fellow friends to try and improve my chances, but most of my friends just cant play at my level or just complain a lot and that throws me off.
playing with your Silver 5 buddy doesn’t help your chances man… playing against lower ranks and losing with dramatically decrease your CSR, a lot more than playing higher rank folks and losing.
This thread caught my eye because I just posted essentially the same complaint, but from the other side of the coin. I’m one of those bad players who gets destroyed by good players like the OP in every game. I can assure you that it’s as frustrating to be at the bottom of a bad matchup as it is to be at the top.
Matchmaking is wasting both of our time by pairing folks like us together. I’m sure you’re a perfectly nice person, and I look forward to the day when my skills will allow me to play a game with you at your level. In the meantime, I’d sure like to have a game with other players down at my level so I can practice building my skills with some fair competition.
“This ranking system is rank”
Umm wut?
Little Seamus I cant argue with you. I have been put agents people that greatly underperform and honestly for me its bothersome I feel bad when I wipe a team out iv been on that end and it don’t feel good. A lot of it comes from I almost feel as if I cheated to gain that victory I cant call that a win in my book. Like bringing a tank to a knife fight. In a perfect world maybe the match making would work out. As for your skill I am sure your not giving yourself credit. Also I really have a lot of time on my hands and have almost exclusively played FPS my entire gaming life even went small time comparative so I am a “try hard”. Hopefully we can game together some time and some how pair out group in a way that will help us find the group of people we can work with.
On the other hand in the English…American language rank has multiple meanings. Rank applies to a position of power but can also mean that something stinks.
The problem is when great solo players with low ranks in team games (because their teammates have let them down and caused them to rank too low) finally get matched together they destroy players who are at the right rank or are a one man team. It is unfair but it is unfortunately common.
However it does emphasise that these ranks are for teams and that you only get ranked vaguely correctly in a team game.
Ffa is the only playlist that shows you your true individual skill but it is very intense so i can understand why people dont play it.
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> As for your skill I am sure your not giving yourself credit.
That’s kind of you, but I might be worse than you think. Take a quick glance at a post from yesterday that has a list of KDAs for my last 20 games:
For some reason, that thread didn’t bubble up to the top of the forum when I posted to it. At any rate, whether my skills are good or bad, matchmaking is clearly not finding players of equal skill.
I got an April season rank (of Silver 3, by some unfortunate miracle) yesterday, and just played a few games this evening. It’s been more of the same. Even when our team won, I was carried by the other three players; my individual stats were terrible.
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I’ll take you up on the offer - but I won’t hold it against you if you split after a few games 
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Seriously - rankings (other than FFA) don’t take your individual performance into account?
That’s unfortunate. The rising tide of my better teammates tends to float my boat to a victory from time-to-time. That must be what’s keeping my rank artificially high. I’m a Silver 3 at the moment, but somehow ended up as a Diamond 1 for a while when the rankings were even more screwed up than they are now. I think that that Diamond in my history is keeping me from sinking back down to a Bronze each season where I belong. But, being a Silver, I get paired with other Silvers who manage to win, even without my help, and I occasionally drift up a notch as a result.
How can 343 not include some metrics for individual performance when calculating multiplayer rankings? That’s… that’s… just silly.
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I’d be surprised if they use any other way to calculate your skill rank in FFA other than the one they use for Team Games, then again I have not looked into FFA at all. It’s more likely a light modification of the regular Ranking system which check what rank you lost to and what you won against, not your individual stats. To me it seems like it’d be the easiest and most time saving thing to do.
For the second part, it’s not a question of Can’t, it’s a question of Won’t.
It detracts from team play, and in a worst case scenario leads to griefing of team mates.Why? You rank up by doing good relative to team mates as well as enemies, one sure way to rank up, or not rank down heavily, is to actively make sure team mates are pushed down, kind of like how you try to push down enemies.
Bungie already tried it with Reach, and it was later changed to W/L.
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Hmm, interesting. I can see that.
Still, I’d submit that the current method isn’t any better. By whacking the mole of griefers exploiting individual rankings, the problem of overly-simplistic ranking / matchmaking just pops up somewhere else - in this case, resulting in artificially high rankings for players like me.
I’ve seen your posts on other threads where you’ve challenged peoples’ assertions by looking at their stats. I’ve been tempted to post “Naqser, do me next!” to see if you think my claims of over-ranking / poor matchmaking are true, or if I’m just being a crybaby. I haven’t wanted to waste your time. But, if you feel so inclined, I’d be interested in your assessment. Looking at things like my KD, damage dealt, and accuracy paints a grim picture - at least to me. But, of course, I’m personally invested in those stats, so I’m not an objective judge. I’d appreciate your insights as an impartial party.
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Well, this isn’t a problem with the Skill ranking algorithm itself, but the issue that you can’t rank down divisions, which I’d say isn’t part of the Algorithm, but an outside feature not allowing your CSR to go below a certain treshold.
I too faced this “problem” when I in Team Arena in the first season placed Diamond with a couple of good friends, now I don’t say I did bad, we had good team work, at least I remember it so. Either way, I got diamond and we kind of didn’t play Arena after that, I ventured in believing I could handle the heat but oh boy did I pull some teams down badly. Then again, I did well when in a team I was comfortable with, I couldn’t just adjust to being random with other randoms. So I kind of was out of my league when going in alone.
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The only thing I’ve actually been doing has been telling people either why I believe they’re banned, or correcting them when they say they quit one game. Of course, they can’t quit five games at the same time, so it’s one game they quit and got a hefty ban time. That’s where I look at their stats and post how many DNFs they have over a certain period of time.
I’d love to look at your personal stats, but the thing is that when it comes to Skill, your personal skill, everything is actually relative.
To give you a picture of what I mean,
Two Onyx 1600 players in a duel would net both a KD close to 1. That’s not a really high KD now is it?
Then we take Two Bronze 5’s to duel, theoretically both would net a KD close to 1. Again, not really high.
KD, damage dealt, accuracy and all other measurable metrics are based on your opponent’s skill relative to your own skill.
I’d like to point out that your win percentage is 40, but that’s across all arena playlists so it doesn’t mean much. However, if it was for the playlists you are over ranked in, then it’s a sign that you are not in your right rank and should be at a lower skill rank, ideally it should be at 50%.
That’s all I can say about it really.