This "My fun is more important than yours"...

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… attitude NEEDS TO STOP.

My fun is not more important than yours, nor is yours more important than mine. Just because you do not personally enjoy what I enjoy does not make what I enjoy bad, nor does it mean that what I enjoy is ruining the game.

This mentality that people here have needs to go. Just because you do not like Infinity settings does not meant they should be abolished from the face of the earth. There are people here who like those settings, and despite the fact that you do not personally enjoy them and the fact that they are not traditional Halo does not make them bad.

At the same time, someone wanting classic gameplay isn’t bad either. Just because this is a new installment of a series does not mean that the older games should not be adopted into the new game. There are people who like the old games and would still like to show their support and enjoy the new game in this series without being forced to play the new gameplay 24/7.

This doesn’t make them bad. They like the game just the same as you do. There is no “The majority likes this” or “The majority likes that” nonsense. You have no proof of what the majority likes. There is no poll that has gone around, there has been no advertisement for a poll to gauge what the community likes and doesn’t like.

This thought that everyone should play the same game as you and that everything else is inherently negative needs to stop.

To those complaining about complainers, they are pointing out things that they dislike about the new game in the series. Not all the complaints are valid, and many should be more constructive, but they aren’t necessarily wrong.

With a lack of custom game options, people are basically forced to play online. If the online game does not suit their needs, they are going to complain about it. This isn’t bad, nor is it all that fantastic.

They are complaining because they’d like to play a specific gametype. There’s nothing wrong with that. They are entitled to their opinion. If enough people want a certain gametype, who are you to deny them that gametype because you think the game should “Move forward” or you think the game should “Go back to classic.”?

People will enjoy what they enjoy. It is not up to you to dictate what they should and shouldn’t play.

Their fun is just as important as yours. You are part of a community revolving around a game that you both enjoy.

Act like it.

-Silent

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When the majority of the game caters to one group’s idea of fun, it really becomes an issue.

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I agree to a point. People complain way too much. The fact is this classic vs new issue has been solved…to a degree. If people dont like Infinity settings then dont play the TWO playlists that have them by default. For the playlists that have Infinty settings as a voting option then dont vote for it, or back out before the match begins.

However, you have to understand that Infinity settings are imbalanced. The concept is cool but it should be power ups only OR everyone gets the same options. Why? So a match isnt determined by a dice roll. Older fans like myself liked when Halo was about fighting for Rockets in the middle of the map or Battling for an area waiting for OS to spawn. It was far more intense and rewarding.

Team Throwdown is a great option for people who want a more balanced and competitive experience. I just wish they could turn off sprint. Plus too many quitters which makes me ask… Is the Halo community really that competitive?

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I must disagree with the custom options thing. There are an extremely large amount of custom game options. Simply not as many as the incredibly large amount we got in Reach or the somewhat large amount we got in 3.

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When a company completely changes the entire gameplay of a previously successful franchise, and millions of people stop playing due to the new gameplay, it sends a message.

My fun is certainly not more important than yours, but it isn’t less important. 343i have done an incredible job ignoring the competitive Halo community by refraining from adding important aspects, like the ability to turn off sprint or auto-pick up in CTF.

When the majority of playlists available are Infinity settings, it becomes difficult for those who enjoy real Halo to play the game. I hate ordnance. Other people hate ordnance. I hate instant respawn. Others hate instant respawn. I hate being able to spawn with AC, Plasma Pistols, Boltshots, and Plasma Grenades. Others hate this as well.

If you can’t see this, you are just as ignorant as the people you are describing. If the opening day of Halo 4 say more than 400,000 players online, but after only 2-3 months the population peaked at 40,000 players, what does that say?

It says that one part of the community’s fun is more important to 343i than the other part of the community’s fun. If anything, do not criticize those who are trying to change Halo back to its roots - criticize the company that refuses to see the light and continues favoring one part of the community, a part that will play Halo 4 for a week, take a break for two weeks, then return for a week.

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> When the majority of playlists available are Infinity settings, it becomes difficult for those who enjoy real Halo to play the game. I hate ordnance. Other people hate ordnance. I hate instant respawn. Others hate instant respawn. I hate being able to spawn with AC, Plasma Pistols, Boltshots, and Plasma Grenades. Others hate this as well.
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> If you can’t see this, you are just as ignorant as the people you are describing.

He can see this, and he knows you dislike it. But he realises that plenty of people do like ordnance, instant respawns and widely customisable loadouts too. Thats the point.

Even if it is true that less people like them (and you’ll need a citation if you want to argue that one), that doesn’t make them wrong for liking it, you shouldn’t claim it is an awful feature that needs to be abolished. Thats just like… your opinion… man.

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> When the majority of the game caters to one group’s idea of fun, it really becomes an issue.

Agreed wholeheartedly.

> When a company completely changes the entire gameplay of a previously successful franchise, and millions of people stop playing due to the new gameplay, it sends a message.
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> My fun is certainly not more important than yours, but it isn’t less important. 343i have done an incredible job ignoring the competitive Halo community by refraining from adding important aspects, like the ability to turn off sprint or auto-pick up in CTF.

Oh believe me, I know. I’m right here with you in terms of competitive gameplay and custom options.

However I see players of both groups saying the other groups fun is less important (not all, but it happens) than their own, and say that the others settings need to be abolished.

343i not listening to us is a problem, but so are the vast amounts of competitive and social players alike saying that the others fun needs to go.

> When the majority of playlists available are Infinity settings, it becomes difficult for those who enjoy real Halo to play the game. I hate ordnance. Other people hate ordnance. I hate instant respawn. Others hate instant respawn. I hate being able to spawn with AC, Plasma Pistols, Boltshots, and Plasma Grenades. Others hate this as well.

We can’t exactly define “real” Halo anymore, but I know where you are coming from. I can’t stand infinity settings. I barely play Halo 4 anymore because of the lack of playlists to play that aren’t Infinity based, and it’s irking to go on every day to see nothing but infinity settings.

But just because I don’t like them doesn’t mean they should leave. That said, there should be an equal amount of Competitive and Social playlists.

> If you can’t see this, you are just as ignorant as the people you are describing. If the opening day of Halo 4 say more than 400,000 players online, but after only 2-3 months the population peaked at 40,000 players, what does that say?
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> It says that one part of the community’s fun is more important to 343i than the other part of the community’s fun. If anything, do not criticize those who are trying to change Halo back to its roots - criticize the company that refuses to see the light and continues favoring one part of the community, a part that will play Halo 4 for a week, take a break for two weeks, then return for a week.

I’m not criticising you at all. Both groups are at fault and both need to take the other into account. I’m a competitive player like youself, and while Infinity CAN be fun, I can’t stand playing it constantly. Lack of classic playlist has me playing either Halo 3, or nothing at all as of late.

Getting rid of Infinity still isn’t an option. Equal amounts of playlists catering to either side is.

> I must disagree with the custom options thing. There are an extremely large amount of custom game options. Simply not as many as the incredibly large amount we got in Reach or the somewhat large amount we got in 3.

The fact that I can’t turn of sprint, auto flag pick up or change spawn times tells me a lot about Halo 4’s custom options :confused:

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Hear Hear! Glad to see someone else who knows that someones opinion is not better than another persons.

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this is one of the few topics that sctuly supports and attacks both sides. and I agree with everything.

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> > When the majority of playlists available are Infinity settings, it becomes difficult for those who enjoy real Halo to play the game. I hate ordnance. Other people hate ordnance. I hate instant respawn. Others hate instant respawn. I hate being able to spawn with AC, Plasma Pistols, Boltshots, and Plasma Grenades. Others hate this as well.
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> > If you can’t see this, you are just as ignorant as the people you are describing.
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> He can see this, and he knows you dislike it. But he realises that plenty of people do like ordnance, instant respawns and widely customisable loadouts too. Thats the point.
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> Even if it is true that less people like them (and you’ll need a citation if you want to argue that one), that doesn’t make them wrong for liking it, you shouldn’t claim it is an awful feature that needs to be abolished. Thats just like… your opinion… man.

Did you read my entire post?

I ended my stating that less than 10% of the first-day population is currently here. To think that “lots” of people like things like Infinity settings is accurate if “lots” means 30,000, but where did the other 370,000 people go? They don’t like the game - it’s simple.

I never said they were wrong for liking it. I never said the settings should be abolished (though changed, as they are currently unfair). I believe the option should have been given to competitive players to begin with, as you’re never going to draw those players back at this point.

The fact is that the people still playing Halo 4 aren’t playing “Halo”. They are playing a combination of all of the different FPS’s out there right now, which was an attempt by 343i and Microsoft to make a quick buck. I want Halo back, and Halo 4 certainly isn’t the Halo that so many of us grew up playing.

> Getting rid of Infinity still isn’t an option. Equal amounts of playlists catering to either side is.

If that’s all you’re saying, then I have no problem with it. I don’t feel there’s much to discuss about this, though, so I went a little overboard. I enjoy debating.

The fact remains, however, that catering to both sides is not being done, which is frustrating to someone who wants desperately to enjoy Halo again.

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I think Halo:Reach is better than Halo 4 and 3. My opinion is superior.

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Ok.

If this is true and people here agree with what you said, then those same people need to stop raggin on the people who disagree with them. And I’m not saying every one of those do this.

For example:

Someone goes on a rant about how one game they got destroyed by a particular weapon and now they claim that weapon that destroyed them in overpowered. Others come in and defend him and others come in and disagree with. The ones that disagree are almost persecuted by people on this forum.

If you think I’m talking about the DMR and others, I AM. There some here who I feel cannot adapt to the DMR and there are others who think it’s fine. The people that think it’s fine get run out of here quick.

Get my point?

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This goes into my top 10 of best threads I ever read.

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The problem is one side of this community is completely ignored while the other one has the whole game.

I could not care less about infinity settings if we had an equal ammount of classic to go with it. But there is no classic in the game at all, so I do care. I agree with you op but the problem is one side has nothing and the other has everything.

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I did read your entire post, yes.

> I ended my stating that less than 10% of the first-day population is currently here. To think that “lots” of people like things like Infinity settings is accurate if “lots” means 30,000, but where did the other 370,000 people go? They don’t like the game - it’s simple.

I’m not talking about the 400,000 original players, neither is OP. I’m talking about the current players, and since 370,000 players who didn’t like the new game have already left, the % of players who do like the game must have sharply risen.

> I never said they were wrong for liking it.
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> The fact is that the people still playing Halo 4 aren’t playing “Halo”. They are playing a combination of all of the different FPS’s out there right now, which was an attempt by 343i and Microsoft to make a quick buck. I want Halo back, and Halo 4 certainly isn’t the Halo that so many of us grew up playing.

Well you might not be directly saying the words “they are wrong”, but you are claiming they like a game that is not halo, with settings that do not belong in halo, which is a pretty similar sentiment.

EDIT: got to go unfortunately so will not be able to respond to any counter argument, but the post 2 down or so agrees with me at least.

> If you think I’m talking about the DMR and others, I AM. There some here who I feel cannot adapt to the DMR and there are others who think it’s fine. The people that think it’s fine get run out of here quick.

I don’t recommend supporting JIP either, that doesn’t go down well…

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> > > When the majority of playlists available are Infinity settings, it becomes difficult for those who enjoy real Halo to play the game. I hate ordnance. Other people hate ordnance. I hate instant respawn. Others hate instant respawn. I hate being able to spawn with AC, Plasma Pistols, Boltshots, and Plasma Grenades. Others hate this as well.
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> > > If you can’t see this, you are just as ignorant as the people you are describing.
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> > He can see this, and he knows you dislike it. But he realises that plenty of people do like ordnance, instant respawns and widely customisable loadouts too. Thats the point.
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> > Even if it is true that less people like them (and you’ll need a citation if you want to argue that one), that doesn’t make them wrong for liking it, you shouldn’t claim it is an awful feature that needs to be abolished. Thats just like… your opinion… man.
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> Did you read my entire post?
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> I ended my stating that less than 10% of the first-day population is currently here. To think that “lots” of people like things like Infinity settings is accurate if “lots” means 30,000, but where did the other 370,000 people go? They don’t like the game - it’s simple.
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> I never said they were wrong for liking it. I never said the settings should be abolished (though changed, as they are currently unfair). I believe the option should have been given to competitive players to begin with, as you’re never going to draw those players back at this point.
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> The fact is that the people still playing Halo 4 aren’t playing “Halo”. They are playing a combination of all of the different FPS’s out there right now, which was an attempt by 343i and Microsoft to make a quick buck. I want Halo back, and Halo 4 certainly isn’t the Halo that so many of us grew up playing.
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> > Getting rid of Infinity still isn’t an option. Equal amounts of playlists catering to either side is.
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> If that’s all you’re saying, then I have no problem with it. I don’t feel there’s much to discuss about this, though, so I went a little overboard. I enjoy debating.
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> <mark>The fact remains, however, that catering to both sides is not being done, which is frustrating to someone who wants desperately to enjoy Halo again</mark>.

I can totally agree with this.

> This goes into my top 10 of best threads I ever read.

Is this the first or second of my posts on said list? Either way, thanks :smiley:

> The problem is one side of this community is completely ignored while the other one has the whole game.
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> I could not care less about infinity settings if we had an equal ammount of classic to go with it. But there is no classic in the game at all, so I do care. I agree with you op but the problem is one side has nothing and the other has everything.

This is true. Believe me, I’ve made a lot of posts regarding this situation (the on you’re referring to) and I’m still fighting for more classic and competitive playlists. Today I just thought I’d discuss this forum specific issue I’ve seen from a lot of people on both sides of the argument lately.

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> > > When the majority of playlists available are Infinity settings, it becomes difficult for those who enjoy real Halo to play the game. I hate ordnance. Other people hate ordnance. I hate instant respawn. Others hate instant respawn. I hate being able to spawn with AC, Plasma Pistols, Boltshots, and Plasma Grenades. Others hate this as well.
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> > > If you can’t see this, you are just as ignorant as the people you are describing.
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> > He can see this, and he knows you dislike it. But he realises that plenty of people do like ordnance, instant respawns and widely customisable loadouts too. Thats the point.
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> > Even if it is true that less people like them (and you’ll need a citation if you want to argue that one), that doesn’t make them wrong for liking it, you shouldn’t claim it is an awful feature that needs to be abolished. Thats just like… your opinion… man.
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> Did you read my entire post?
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> I ended my stating that less than 10% of the first-day population is currently here. To think that “lots” of people like things like Infinity settings is accurate if “lots” means 30,000, but where did the other 370,000 people go? They don’t like the game - it’s simple.
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> I never said they were wrong for liking it. I never said the settings should be abolished (though changed, as they are currently unfair). I believe the option should have been given to competitive players to begin with, as you’re never going to draw those players back at this point.
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> The fact is that the people still playing Halo 4 aren’t playing “Halo”. They are playing a combination of all of the different FPS’s out there right now, which was an attempt by 343i and Microsoft to make a quick buck. I want Halo back, and Halo 4 certainly isn’t the Halo that so many of us grew up playing.
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> > Getting rid of Infinity still isn’t an option. Equal amounts of playlists catering to either side is.
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> If that’s all you’re saying, then I have no problem with it. I don’t feel there’s much to discuss about this, though, so I went a little overboard. I enjoy debating.
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> The fact remains, however, that catering to both sides is not being done, which is frustrating to someone who wants desperately to enjoy Halo again.

evan so everyone should have a right to play what they want, it evans out everyone. regardless of who goes first and who doesn’t.

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> The fact is that the people still playing Halo 4 aren’t playing “Halo”. They are playing a combination of all of the different FPS’s out there right now, which was an attempt by 343i and Microsoft to make a quick buck. I want Halo back, and Halo 4 certainly isn’t the Halo that so many of us grew up playing.

See this is the kind of thinking that Silent is talking about. Every time I pop in my Halo 4 disk I’m playing Halo. To me Halo has never left. It’s still right here, it just came back with a few tattoos, dyed hair and piercings.

What 343i tried to do was make a game for everyone, and not just for the fans. And while that can feel like a twinge of betrayal, it’s not right to slander and bash them continuously for trying to make the game fun for everyone. Yes there were obviously time constraints, yes they admitted they were wrong, but to be little them for trying. That’s just cold.

Everyone’s fun is 343i’s goal with this game. They aren’t leaving the competitive community in the dust with adding things like CSR, weapon balancing, Team throw down and supporting Halo tournaments. BS Angel even said, give her the correct information and she will make sure 343i promotes every tournament.

What 343i needs us to do is to stick with them, and give them feed back. “That’ll be great for Competitive CTF, but might not be too good for casual game play.”

This is Halo. If you want it to be what it is in your image, what’s fun to you, then help mold it.

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> > The fact is that the people still playing Halo 4 aren’t playing “Halo”. They are playing a combination of all of the different FPS’s out there right now, which was an attempt by 343i and Microsoft to make a quick buck. I want Halo back, and Halo 4 certainly isn’t the Halo that so many of us grew up playing.
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> See this is the kind of thinking that Silent is talking about. Every time I pop in my Halo 4 disk I’m playing Halo. To me Halo has never left. It’s still right here, it just came back with a few tattoos, dyed hair and piercings.
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> What 343i tried to do was make a game for everyone, and not just for the fans. And while that can feel like a twinge of betrayal, it’s not right to slander and bash them continuously for trying to make the game fun for everyone. Yes there were obviously time constraints, yes they admitted they were wrong, but to be little them for trying. That’s just cold.
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> Everyone’s fun is 343i’s goal with this game. They aren’t leaving the competitive community in the dust with adding things like CSR, weapon balancing, Team throw down and supporting Halo tournaments. BS Angel even said, give her the correct information and she will make sure 343i promotes every tournament.
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> What 343i needs us to do is to stick with them, and give them feed back. “That’ll be great for Competitive CTF, but might not be too good for casual game play.”
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> This is Halo. If you want it to be what it is in your image, what’s fun to you, then help mold it.

They are supporting the competitive side finally, which is nice. They however are still not doing anything for the people who enjoy classic halo. People who enjoy classic halo are not all competitive players, I enjoy classic and I am not a competitive player.

They are starting to help the competitive side which is great. Yet they are still ignoring one other side. For some reason people seem to think everyone that loves classic halo is competitive, which is not the case.

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I agree with this whole heartedly everyone is EQUALLY entitled to the kind of fun they want to have.

I’ve played Halo3 and I had fun with it,Reach was ok,but I enjoy H4 just as much as I did 3(granted my reasons for each of them were a bit diffrent of course)

in H4 I enjoy the Infinity settings not because of the ordinance drops(I usually spawn a power up instead of a power weapon anyway) but because I don’t have to pick the standard BR or DMR if I don’t want to,I perosnally hate having to lose a weapon I could FINALLY enjoy only to lose it only to spawn with that same gun I hated in the first place,while I do agree some of the custom game options could be better I look forward to an improvment over that in the future Halos.

you do raise a good point about having to quit games ya don’t like though,I perosnally don’t like to quit because even though I’m doing horrible I don’t like to leave my teammates in the dust,just cause I’m messing up doesn’t mean they should,though I have a feeling that if my presence does infact make things worse,I could quite and give the enemy less targets to shoot,good advise there OP

there’s plenty of room for both people and anyone who stated about putting each of them in diffrent playlists have raised a good point