This makes no sense (Initiation 3 spoilers)

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In Halo Initiation, Lasky and Jun are able to survive after Ilsa removes the oxygen from S-deck? At first I thought that she just drained the oxygen leaving other gases, as in a no pressure environment a human body would bloat up and the blood would basically boil away, killing them nearly instantly.

When Palmer and Davis bust open the glass, the entire battle should be in a vacuum… yet Ilsa is alive, Palmer loses her helmet, and they are still talking while fighting. Then she’s thrown out of the Infinity, armorless, and she is recovered alive.

What’s up with that?

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I’ve not actually read it yet as I like to wait for the hard cover.

Perhaps you missed something a couple of pages back, or it is explained later in the comic.

It seems a bit daft that the writers would forget that people can’t survive in space. lol

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> In Halo Initiation, Lasky and Jun are able to survive after Ilsa removes the oxygen from S-deck? At first I thought that she just drained the oxygen leaving other gases, as in a no pressure environment a human body would bloat up and the blood would basically boil away, killing them nearly instantly.
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> When Palmer and Davis bust open the glass, the entire battle should be in a vacuum… yet Ilsa is alive, Palmer loses her helmet, and they are still talking while fighting. Then she’s thrown out of the Infinity, armorless, and she is recovered alive.
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> What’s up with that?

The emergency bulkhead closed on the window after the two spartans was inside, thus the room still had air.

As for the last bit, space is a cold vacuum, it is possible for a person to be thrown out into space, and survive long enough for someone to pick them up, and revive them. There’s a period of time that the body will literally shut down, and reserve the Oxygen in your blood for your brain to keep it alive, and then after that period of time, your brain starts to die.

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> > In Halo Initiation, Lasky and Jun are able to survive after Ilsa removes the oxygen from S-deck? At first I thought that she just drained the oxygen leaving other gases, as in a no pressure environment a human body would bloat up and the blood would basically boil away, killing them nearly instantly.
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> > When Palmer and Davis bust open the glass, the entire battle should be in a vacuum… yet Ilsa is alive, Palmer loses her helmet, and they are still talking while fighting. Then she’s thrown out of the Infinity, armorless, and she is recovered alive.
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> > What’s up with that?
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> The emergency bulkhead closed on the window after the two spartans was inside, thus the room still had air.
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> <mark>As for the last bit, space is a cold vacuum, it is possible for a person to be thrown out into space, and survive long enough for someone to pick them up, and revive them. There’s a period of time that the body will literally shut down, and reserve the Oxygen in your blood for your brain to keep it alive, and then after that period of time, your brain starts to die.</mark>

Not according to the magic school bus :stuck_out_tongue:

However I truly have heard what you said before tho

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> > > In Halo Initiation, Lasky and Jun are able to survive after Ilsa removes the oxygen from S-deck? At first I thought that she just drained the oxygen leaving other gases, as in a no pressure environment a human body would bloat up and the blood would basically boil away, killing them nearly instantly.
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> > > When Palmer and Davis bust open the glass, the entire battle should be in a vacuum… yet Ilsa is alive, Palmer loses her helmet, and they are still talking while fighting. Then she’s thrown out of the Infinity, armorless, and she is recovered alive.
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> > > What’s up with that?
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> > The emergency bulkhead closed on the window after the two spartans was inside, thus the room still had air.
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> > <mark>As for the last bit, space is a cold vacuum, it is possible for a person to be thrown out into space, and survive long enough for someone to pick them up, and revive them. There’s a period of time that the body will literally shut down, and reserve the Oxygen in your blood for your brain to keep it alive, and then after that period of time, your brain starts to die.</mark>
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> Not according to the magic school bus :stuck_out_tongue:
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> However I truly have heard what you said before tho

Yeah… Magic School Bus had some truth to it, but at the same time it was false. No one really knows exactly what will happen to a person who is blown out an airlock, we have theories up the wazoo on what would happen. But what I posted above, is based on what I know of drowning which isn’t very much.

On top of that, we have no true idea what medical tech we have in Halo, so reviving a person who’ve been in space for long periods of times, or not, maybe the spartan implants help.

Also another thing, S deck is a large deck, and depending on the size of the hole the air is leaking out of, will depend on how quickly the deck goes from normal air pressure to space vacuum. It’d take a very large hole, something almost the same high and half the length to suck out all of the air in S deck very quickly. It’d also be another thing to note, that UNSC personnel are most likely drilled for that kind of situation. I don’t know how many of you guys are in the Military, or know someone who is, but for me, I am in the Military, and I can tell you one thing, we drill, in Basic, we drilled for mortar attacks, and attacks on our FOB.
Navy and Marines they train on how to correctly jump off a ship, something I got to do this summer. With that said, I can only guess that the UNSC has the same mentality when it comes to training it’s soldiers, Lasky and Jun most likely had training on what to do if an air lock is blown, what to do if they ran into that very situation. Granted for those of us who’ve never had a taste of real life Military, and only have a very basic understanding of the military, I can see how someone could have no idea why they was able to survive in that situation.

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I understand that the military trains people for things like that, and that obviously the UNSC would, as well.

But what I’m concerned about is the physics of the situtation. In a vacuum, absent of pressure pushing against a person’s skin, the blood will “boil.” Not in the traditional sense of the word, where heat causes it to boil and eventually evaporate, but it would turn into steam because nothing is keeping in liquid form. Because your body is exerting outward pressure, and nothing is there to keep pressure on you, the liquids in your body would turn into gas and cause you to bloat up, killing you nearly instantly (like less than a minute, possibly even less time than that.)

Ilsa may be an exception (there’s no logic given as to why, but let’s just say as the original Spartn IV she gets away with it) but Lasky and Jun are completely unprotected from the vacuum, as are the rebels on Infinity. They have oxygen tanks, but that wouldn’t protect their bodies from a vacuum, or near vacuum…

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> But what I’m concerned about is the physics of the situtation. In a vacuum, absent of pressure pushing against a person’s skin, the blood will “boil.” Not in the traditional sense of the word, where heat causes it to boil and eventually evaporate, but it would turn into steam because nothing is keeping in liquid form. Because your body is exerting outward pressure, and nothing is there to keep pressure on you, the liquids in your body would turn into gas and cause you to bloat up, killing you nearly instantly (like less than a minute, possibly even less time than that.)

Again, S deck wasn’t a 100% vacuum, by the time they got to their gear there was still some pressure, plus humans can survive in a semi vacuum for a period of time, But most of the “boil” you’re talking about is more of freezing.

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> Again, S deck wasn’t a 100% vacuum, by the time they got to their gear there was still some pressure, plus humans can survive in a semi vacuum for a period of time, But most of the “boil” you’re talking about is more of freezing.

A few things. First, when exposed to vacuum your body fluids (including blood) would evaporate/boil and freeze before the process is through, which eliminates the possibility that your body would react similarly to when you’re drowning.

Second, considering that Lasky and Jun were almost sucked out of Infinity themselves, I’d say that the S-deck depressurized pretty quickly. And it wouldn’t matter if Lasky and Jun got to their gear or not, considering that the lack of oxygen isn’t the only lethal aspect of a vacuum.

It seems pretty obvious to me that the portrayal of a vacuum was simply a huge oversight on the writer’s part.

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> Again, S deck wasn’t a 100% vacuum, by the time they got to their gear there was still some pressure, plus humans can survive in a semi vacuum for a period of time, <mark>But most of the “boil” you’re talking about is more of freezing.</mark>

Yeah fine, but they’d still die from it. It evaporates because the lack of pressure causes it to spread out, and the lack of heat causes it to become solid… I just used the word “boil” because it was the best word I could think of.

As MoaHerder said, it’s just a huge oversight. I don’t expect everything in the Halo series to follow physics to a perfect degree, but this urked me my whole way reading it. It just seemed TOO ridiculous, even in a franchise where the main character has fallen from space onto a planet/Halo in 4 out of 5 games (if you include Noble 6 in Reach.) At least there are canonical reasons why they can survive.

It just really bothers me, especially when in other canon, people have to have enironmental suits to survive a vacuum (never finished the book, but I’m thinking of the 10 minute vacuum rating in ODSTs armor, or the X minute in MJOLNIR - don’t remember the amount)

Then all of a sudden regular, unarmored, humans are surviving in a vacuum.

Also, anybody have any clues about who the person was who was with Ilsa Zane on page 22? When she says “You? What are you doing here?” It doesn’t seem it’s Musa, because the person carrying her in wasn’t crippled, and it doesn’t seem like Jun to me, because the silhouette appears female to me. Maybe, and this is just a guess by me, it’s Osman. My reasoning is that a stealth ship picks her up, and it seems likely that K5 would want to pick up an insurrectionist leader… Despite the annoying mistakes in Initiation with obvious seeming physics, the implications are kind of interesting, at very least.