This is why i hate this forum and the community

Games Halo 5: Guardians
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Ever since Bungie.net Forum i have seen many people are arfaid to have something new in the game for example like Smart-scope.
And when Bungie first showed us the armor abilities in Halo Reach, people couldnt wait to use them against each other and later people start hating the Armor Lock even when it was easy to Counter it.
and when Halo 4 was announced people DID NOT want any of the Armor abilites exept for some few or nothing. Many of you did not realized that you are killing many fun Custom Games that could have been a good combo between every Halo Games but NOOOO, you guys wanted many thing removed from the game entirely without thinking on “Why cant we just place them in CUSTOM GAMES and FORGE ONLY”?!?!
There have been many Cool Custom Games by now if it werent for the Whinny -yoink- poeple that is alway complaining about new stuffs.

we could probably had Space Battles by now but nah people are 9999999% focused on having the next halo game to be either a Halo 3.5 or Halo 2.5 just a recyled and updated graphics.
it seems it imo.

And i have also seen many Topics about people saying “People stop wishing 343 to add Elites back blablabla…”
Yes i know that 343 is trying to show us how Spartan is training, but they also have a training mode that are based on Invasion There Spartans are fighting Elites.
But it also seems like people forgot that many people wanted to be able to play as a Brute in Halo 3, why not add them in…Because many peopleare like nah, no point bringing them as a playable character in Multiplayer we just want a recycled Halo 3.5 game.

IMO i think 343i should re-add every Armor abilites, Weapons, Game modes, Vehicles from every Halo Game into Halo 5 and atleast heavly improve the Forge mode + more.
there are many things i want in Halo 5 like a Battle Cruiser battle game mode there you are driving for example UNSC Infinity or Covenant Carrier and lots of other ships or again a Space Battle like Star Wars Battlefront, but just in Halo Style.

So it feels like this community just want to “kill” old stuff entirely (They never want to see them in any of the Halo Games and the upcomming ones) when they could just say “We dont really want to have those things in public mathmaking so please just put them in Custom Games and Forge for people that still likes it”.

well i think most of you will dislike this topic, but i will not be suprised if someone reported this topic as far from what i have seen in these Forums.
But i know there are some people that will agree with me here.

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If there is something that i did not explain very well , please let me know and i will try to explain a bit better.

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I agree; but ultimately it is up to the developer; we are simply here to voice our opinions. I’d assume that since they’re making the game; of course they want sales; but if snorting works; it works. Yeah they do seem to cater to us a little. Some would say not enough, but I say they do TO MUCH. Think back to Web 1.0, before forums and such.

Developers did what they wanted and we might have complained to our friends, but if we, overall, enjoyed the game, we bought the next release.

I feel like 343 give us a little TO MUCH say in the games now.

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More vehicles and stuff like Equipment again would be cool. AA in a sense wouldn’t be bad so that you can have stuff like Jetpacks to use in customs, but there is the issue of button placement.

Brutes, nah. They just aren’t as important to Halo as Elites and Spartans. The latter two are iconic compared to the Brutes. The only mainline series game where I can recall a significant Brute is in Halo 2. Which had exactly one Brute of note.

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> If there is something that i did not explain very well , please let me know and i will try to explain a bit better.

Nobody wants you to explain that hunk of BS

Change is good. But changing core mechanics of a game is not. Changing the core formula of one of the best games ever coming off of the pinnacle of its life (Halo 3) and then after Reach once these changes were proven to be failures to continue using them in Halo 4 and seeing them fail, and now put MORE in Halo 5. I mean this is gettting borderline insane. It doesn’t make sense.

And judging from your Space Battles comment that shows exactly the type of player you are. If you want Star Wars Space Battles…THEN GO PLAY STAR WARS. Your Halo opinion is invalid. If 343 followed your lead the Game would probably be even further down the -Yoink- than it already is

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> I agree; but ultimately it is up to the developer; we are simply here to voice our opinions. I’d assume that since they’re making the game; of course they want sales; but if snorting works; it works. Yeah they do seem to cater to us a little. Some would say not enough, but I say they do TO MUCH. Think back to Web 1.0, before forums and such.
>
> Developers did what they wanted and we might have complained to our friends, but if we, overall, enjoyed the game, we bought the next release.
>
> I feel like 343 give us a little TO MUCH say in the games now.

LMAO 343 isn’t giving anyone a say. If they listened to the majority there would be:

  1. No Sprint
  2. No AAs
  3. a 1-50
    4 No clamber
  4. Theater
    etc etc

After taking over they have had one very OBVIOUS goal and that is to make Halo as Generic as possible, as COD as possible, without trying to go overboard and make it too obvious even though it is. Taking out loadouts, and care packages after Halo 4 doesn’t mena they listened to us. Those are things they HAD to do if they wanted to keep a fanbase those aren’t things they Decided that the fans were right on

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> Ever since Bungie.net Forum i have seen many people are arfaid to have something new in the game for example like Smart-scope.
> And when Bungie first showed us the armor abilities in Halo Reach, people couldnt wait to use them against each other and later people start hating the Armor Lock even when it was easy to Counter it.
>
> Uh, no the backlash against the initial release of AAs was pretty strong. Armor lock was strongly opposed after the beta but Bungie ignored everyone. Surprisingly, Reach is considered one of the worst Halo games as a result.
>
> and when Halo 4 was announced people DID NOT want any of the Armor abilites exept for some few or nothing. Many of you did not realized that you are killing many fun Custom Games that could have been a good combo between every Halo Games but NOOOO, you guys wanted many thing removed from the game entirely without thinking on “Why cant we just place them in CUSTOM GAMES and FORGE ONLY”?!?!
>
> And considering what a flop Halo 4 was it’s not helping your case. Everyone hated AAs because they broke the balance and even starts. So they left them in. Everyone stopped playing.
>
> There have been many Cool Custom Games by now if it werent for the Whinny -yoink- poeple that is alway complaining about new stuffs.
>
> Don’t care. I’d rather have them completely removed from the game than put in custom games which in turn would probably end up trickling back into matchmaking again.
> we could probably had Space Battles by now but nah people are 9999999% focused on having the next halo game to be either a Halo 3.5 or Halo 2.5 just a recyled and updated graphics.
> it seems it imo.
>
> Halo is an FPS game. If you want space battles, you’re playing the wrong game entirely and should probably get a gaming PC because that’s where all the worthwhile space sims are. Have you ever heard of Star Citizen? Because that’s pretty much what you want to play, not Halo.
> And i have also seen many Topics about people saying “People stop wishing 343 to add Elites back blablabla…”
> Yes i know that 343 is trying to show us how Spartan is training, but they also have a training mode that are based on Invasion There Spartans are fighting Elites.
> But it also seems like people forgot that many people wanted to be able to play as a Brute in Halo 3, why not add them in…Because many peopleare like nah, no point bringing them as a playable character in Multiplayer we just want a recycled Halo 3.5 game.
>
> On the great big list of things that are important to add to Halo, playing as aliens is pretty much bottom of the list. It’s a first person game anyways…wtf does it matter? You won’t even get to see what you look like except when you die. Besides, I’ve always hated Elites because they’ve got a track record of notoriously bad hitboxes and are pretty much exclusively used by people trying to exploit that.
> IMO i think 343i should re-add every Armor abilites, Weapons, Game modes, Vehicles from every Halo Game into Halo 5 and atleast heavly improve the Forge mode + more.
> there are many things i want in Halo 5 like a Battle Cruiser battle game mode there you are driving for example UNSC Infinity or Covenant Carrier and lots of other ships or again a Space Battle like Star Wars Battlefront, but just in Halo Style.
>
> Again, you’re playing the completely wrong game, pal. Halo is a scifi FPS. Not Halo Wars Battlefront: Minecraft edition.
> So it feels like this community just want to “kill” old stuff entirely (They never want to see them in any of the Halo Games and the upcomming ones) when they could just say “We dont really want to have those things in public mathmaking so please just put them in Custom Games and Forge for people that still likes it”.
>
> So the entire community wants one thing. You want something else. And you’re whining to the entire Halo community as a whole because we don’t agree with you. I think you might be the problem, not us.

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Humans are naturally averse to change, but that doesn’t mean it’s always an unwarranted reaction.

Take your armor lock example. What does it actually add to gameplay? It’s extremely frustrating for the person on the receiving end, slows down the pace of the game, and makes the game easier for the person using it. There isn’t really anything good that comes out of it, so why should people just be happy with it? If there are to be changes made to the game, they should actually improve the game.

You blame the community for not having things like space battles. Do you honestly, truly believe Joe-Blow who spends all his time in the MLG playlist actually cares whether the game has space battles or not? The reason we don’t have these things is because of a lack of developer ambition, not because people are actively opposed to them. I haven’t seen a significant amount of people going out of their way to boycott space combat (no, the one guy doing it in this thread doesn’t count as an entire mob doing it).

Then there’s the “just throw it all into custom games” argument. Having a coherent vanilla game is far more important than having a million half-functional custom games. I agree that not everything needs to be removed completely from the game, but there comes a point where you can only have so much bloat.

Let’s say one Halo game has a “press x to leap forward” mechanic. Another Halo game has “press x to sprint”, and yet another has “press x to switch grenade type”. How do you intend on making all these things work in a single game? Even now we are struggling to find ways to include both crouch jumping AND ground pound.

There’s no reason Halo 5 needs every feature from every game ever. If you want to play your Hardlight Shield gametype so bad, why not just load up Halo 4 and invite your friends? Why insist that it’s Frankenstein’d into Halo 5, even if it won’t actually fit?

> Reach was one of most played game

No, it objectively wasn’t. Halo 2 and Halo 3 had millions of players, Halo Reach had like half as many throughout its lifespan.

You can argue that it had a high population, but it was not “one of the most played games”.

> And you are one of the problems because you are very selfish like many others that only want a recycled Halo 3.5

Oh quit with this tired “selfish” argument. Everyone here is campaigning for what they themselves want. Even yourself, as well as myself.

> Guessing you want Halo to have the same faith as MW3 had and that was they recycled MW2.

Every AAA title in existence at least partially bases itself on former entries in the same franchise. I want a Halo that is true to what I loved about the originals.

I fail to see how that’s outlandish or unreasonable.

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> > 2533274827056095;1:
> > Ever since Bungie.net Forum i have seen many people are arfaid to have something new in the game for example like Smart-scope.
> > And when Bungie first showed us the armor abilities in Halo Reach, people couldnt wait to use them against each other and later people start hating the Armor Lock even when it was easy to Counter it.
> >
> > Uh, no the backlash against the initial release of AAs was pretty strong. Armor lock was strongly opposed after the beta but Bungie ignored everyone. Surprisingly, Reach is considered one of the worst Halo games as a result.
> >
> > and when Halo 4 was announced people DID NOT want any of the Armor abilites exept for some few or nothing. Many of you did not realized that you are killing many fun Custom Games that could have been a good combo between every Halo Games but NOOOO, you guys wanted many thing removed from the game entirely without thinking on “Why cant we just place them in CUSTOM GAMES and FORGE ONLY”?!?!
> >
> > And considering what a flop Halo 4 was it’s not helping your case. Everyone hated AAs because they broke the balance and even starts. So they left them in. Everyone stopped playing.
> >
> > There have been many Cool Custom Games by now if it werent for the Whinny -yoink- poeple that is alway complaining about new stuffs.
> >
> > Don’t care. I’d rather have them completely removed from the game than put in custom games which in turn would probably end up trickling back into matchmaking again.
> >
> > we could probably had Space Battles by now but nah people are 9999999% focused on having the next halo game to be either a Halo 3.5 or Halo 2.5 just a recyled and updated graphics.
> > it seems it imo.
> >
> > Halo is an FPS game. If you want space battles, you’re playing the wrong game entirely and should probably get a gaming PC because that’s where all the worthwhile space sims are. Have you ever heard of Star Citizen? Because that’s pretty much what you want to play, not Halo.
> >
> > And i have also seen many Topics about people saying “People stop wishing 343 to add Elites back blablabla…”
> > Yes i know that 343 is trying to show us how Spartan is training, but they also have a training mode that are based on Invasion There Spartans are fighting Elites.
> > But it also seems like people forgot that many people wanted to be able to play as a Brute in Halo 3, why not add them in…Because many peopleare like nah, no point bringing them as a playable character in Multiplayer we just want a recycled Halo 3.5 game.
> >
> > **On the great big list of things that are important to add to Halo, playing as aliens is pretty much bottom of the list. It’s a first person game anyways…wtf does it matter? You won’t even get to see what you look like except when you die. Besides, I’ve always hated Elites because they’ve got a track record of notoriously bad hitboxes and are pretty much exclusively used by people trying to exploit that.**IMO i think 343i should re-add every Armor abilites, Weapons, Game modes, Vehicles from every Halo Game into Halo 5 and atleast heavly improve the Forge mode + more.
> > there are many things i want in Halo 5 like a Battle Cruiser battle game mode there you are driving for example UNSC Infinity or Covenant Carrier and lots of other ships or again a Space Battle like Star Wars Battlefront, but just in Halo Style.
> >
> > **Again, you’re playing the completely wrong game, pal. Halo is a scifi FPS. Not Halo Wars Battlefront: Minecraft edition.**So it feels like this community just want to “kill” old stuff entirely (They never want to see them in any of the Halo Games and the upcomming ones) when they could just say “We dont really want to have those things in public mathmaking so please just put them in Custom Games and Forge for people that still likes it”.
> >
> > So the entire community wants one thing. You want something else. And you’re whining to the entire Halo community as a whole because we don’t agree with you. I think you might be the problem, not us.

  • Armor Lock was Nerfed allot since the Beta
  • Reach was one of most played game
  • Give me 10 GOOD reasons why 343 cant add them just for Custom Games and Forge?
  • 343i know that people hate armor lock but there are still people that sees them fun to use in Custom Games so i’m doubting they would add them in Matchmaking.
  • I know That Halo is a FPS game, i have Played Halo Since Halo CE came out (Pretty sure you dont care that i played Halo CE Since it came out)
  • Space Battles was just a Game mode that have been fun…but you are to selfish to understand that.
  • well 343i are Devs and not moderators that are making a mod on Gmod, so there is not a problem to fix the hitbox for them and Elites are way bigger then Spartans so it will make the Spartan players a better edge on landing hits on them, but there is always a way to balance that out like making the Elites Shield Stronger etc.
  • So you are saying Forge mode is copying Minecraft?
  • When did i talk anything about Halo Wars?
  • the Star Wars Battleground was just to give you and idea on how Space Battle could work out.
  • “we dont agree with you” yeah right, i have seen MANY people wanted those things so i’m not alone with that your selfish person.
  • And you are one of the problems because you are very selfish like many others that only want a recycled Halo 3.5 and i’m Guessing you want Halo to have the same faith as MW3 had and that was they recycled MW2.
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> Humans are naturally averse to change, but that doesn’t mean it’s always an unwarranted reaction.
>
> Take your armor lock example. What does it actually add to gameplay? It’s extremely frustrating for the person on the receiving end, slows down the pace of the game, and makes the game easier for the person using it. There isn’t really anything good that comes out of it, so why should people just be happy with it? If there are to be changes made to the game, they should actually improve the game.
>
> You blame the community for not having things like space battles. Do you honestly, truly believe Joe-Blow who spends all his time in the MLG playlist actually cares whether the game has space battles or not? The reason we don’t have these things is because of a lack of developer ambition, not because people are actively opposed to them.
>
> Then there’s the “just throw it all into custom games” argument. Having a coherent vanilla game is far more important than having a million half-functional custom games. I agree that not everything needs to be removed completely from the game, but there comes a point where you can only have so much bloat. Let’s say one Halo game has a “press x to leap forward” mechanic. Another Halo game has “press x to sprint”, and yet another has “press x to switch grenade type”. How do you intend on making all these things work in a single game? Even now we are struggling to find ways to include both crouch jumping AND ground pound.
>
> There’s no reason Halo 5 needs every feature from every game ever. If you want to play your Hardlight Shield gametype so bad, why not just load up Halo 4 and invite your friends? Why insist that it’s Frankenstein’d into Halo 5?

well what i mean with the Armor lock was just an example on what people could remake in Custom Games in the next Halo game

Here is a video so you will see what you could do.
keep in mind those game mode are just for fun.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ROYevjLS7-I

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JWqLfQioZNU ← a modded game mode that are still in prototype stages

No i dont blame the community that we did not have Space Battles, thats because i see many people want Halo to be a 110% competitive E-sport game.

Well most of the Custom Game Modes did work pretty good and the vanila game is still there.

well exept for Halo 4 File share and Custom Game Settings was poorly made and made all of my Friend quit playing Halo 4 and went back to Counter Strike and other games.

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> More vehicles and stuff like Equipment again would be cool. AA in a sense wouldn’t be bad so that you can have stuff like Jetpacks to use in customs, but there is the issue of button placement.
>
> Brutes, nah. They just aren’t as important to Halo as Elites and Spartans. The latter two are iconic compared to the Brutes. The only mainline series game where I can recall a significant Brute is in Halo 2. Which had exactly one Brute of note.

Yeah like making a Puzzle map there jetpacks have been 1 of the tools you have to find and use it to get into next stage in the puzzle map.

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> > I agree; but ultimately it is up to the developer; we are simply here to voice our opinions. I’d assume that since they’re making the game; of course they want sales; but if snorting works; it works. Yeah they do seem to cater to us a little. Some would say not enough, but I say they do TO MUCH. Think back to Web 1.0, before forums and such.
> >
> > Developers did what they wanted and we might have complained to our friends, but if we, overall, enjoyed the game, we bought the next release.
> >
> > I feel like 343 give us a little TO MUCH say in the games now.
>
>
> LMAO 343 isn’t giving anyone a say. If they listened to the majority there would be:
> 1. No Sprint
> 2. No AAs
> 3. a 1-50
> 4 No clamber
> 5. Theater
> etc etc
>
> After taking over they have had one very OBVIOUS goal and that is to make Halo as Generic as possible, as COD as possible, without trying to go overboard and make it too obvious even though it is. Taking out loadouts, and care packages after Halo 4 doesn’t mena they listened to us. Those are things they HAD to do if they wanted to keep a fanbase those aren’t things they Decided that the fans were right on

343i are not trying to make Halo into CoD even when it kind of feels like it.
keep in mind that Halo was made long before CoD came and CoD has copied many stuff from other games

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> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ROYevjLS7-I
>
> You aren’t actually using armor lock here, rather you are using the invincibility that armor lock grants, which could be made a custom game option.
> The question again arises, how are you going to fit Evade in? We have Thrust now instead. There’s the problem, are you going to replace Thrust with Evade just so a single custom gametype can work? Because you certainly can’t have both.
> My point here is that a more practical course of action would to think of how you could replicate what is going on in this gametype through different means instead of trying to shoehorn old features in that simply don’t fit. Examples would include a new weapon that pushes vehicles, or having Thrust itself push vehicles, or so on.
> The other videos you linked had nothing to do with “leaving old features in the game”, rather they were just modded gametypes that don’t actually rely on any of the new mechanics to Halo. So ignored.
> No i dont blame the community that we did not have Space Battles, thats because i see many people want Halo to be a 110% competitive E-sport game.
>
> **But you’re blaming them right now. People wanting Halo to be a competitive E-sport game has little to do with casual gametypes.**What people want though is for casual gametypes to work around the core mechanics, instead of having core mechanics work around the casual gametypes.
> well exept for Halo 4 File share and Custom Game Settings was poorly made and made all of my Friend quit playing Halo 4 and went back to Counter Strike and other games.
>
> Think long and hard about that statement. Your friends all left Halo 4 to play other games.
> That doesn’t answer my question either. The file share is fixed now, why can’t you just play the gametype in the title that came up with it?
> 343i are not trying to make Halo into CoD even when it kind of feels like it.
>
> That’s exactly what they are trying to do though. Why do you think, ever since 343i took over, that we have had Loadouts, Killstreaks, ADS, Clamber, Ground Pound, and so on added to Halo? They are deliberately trying to make it feel like a generic, modern shooter so they don’t alienate anyone outside the fanbase.
> I showed my friend some Halo 5 footage. He’s not really a diehard Halo fan, only played it a bit as a kid. Even he can see what they are trying to do.
> Literally his first reaction when I told him the game had ADS was “what…no…prove it man”. Then it was “what the -Yoink-? LOL”.
> Yeah like making a Puzzle map there jetpacks have been 1 of the tools you have to find and use it to get into next stage in the puzzle map.
>
> Again, what are you going to bind jetpacks to? How are you going to make them fit with the other abilities in the game?

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> > 2533274827056095;2:
> > If there is something that i did not explain very well , please let me know and i will try to explain a bit better.
>
>
> Nobody wants you to explain that hunk of BS
>
> Change is good. But changing core mechanics of a game is not. Changing the core formula of one of the best games ever coming off of the pinnacle of its life (Halo 3) and then after Reach once these changes were proven to be failures to continue using them in Halo 4 and seeing them fail, and now put MORE in Halo 5. I mean this is gettting borderline insane. It doesn’t make sense.
>
> And judging from your Space Battles comment that shows exactly the type of player you are. If you want Star Wars Space Battles…THEN GO PLAY STAR WARS. Your Halo opinion is invalid. If 343 followed your lead the Game would probably be even further down the -Yoink- than it already is

Well i can say you judge heavly wrong there, i’m acctualy playing Compettive, causal mathcmaking, Custom Games, Forge, Campaign.
the Space Battle is just an idea that i have heard many of the casual players wanted to play, but you are just showing how selfish you really are and you are TOO FOCUSED on the matchmaking and the competitive side of Halo.

I’m pretty sure if i lead 343i i would not have lead the game futher down because i would have focused on what the Comptitive players want and what the Custom Games Players want and What the People that are using Forge want and atleast a good Campaign + make sure that everything works before releasing it.

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> > 2533274827056095;10:
> > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ROYevjLS7-I
> >
> > You aren’t actually using armor lock here, rather you are using the invincibility that armor lock grants, which could be made a custom game option.
> > The question again arises, how are you going to fit Evade in? We have Thrust now instead. There’s the problem, are you going to replace Thrust with Evade just so a single custom gametype can work? Because you certainly can’t have both.
> > My point here is that a more practical course of action would to think of how you could replicate what is going on in this gametype through different means instead of trying to shoehorn old features in that simply don’t fit. Examples would include a new weapon that pushes vehicles, or having Thrust itself push vehicles, or so on.
> > The other videos you linked had nothing to do with “leaving old features in the game”, rather they were just modded gametypes that don’t actually rely on any of the new mechanics to Halo. So ignored.
> > No i dont blame the community that we did not have Space Battles, thats because i see many people want Halo to be a 110% competitive E-sport game.
> >
> > **But you’re blaming them right now. People wanting Halo to be a competitive E-sport game has little to do with casual gametypes.**What people want though is for casual gametypes to work around the core mechanics, instead of having core mechanics work around the casual gametypes.
> > well exept for Halo 4 File share and Custom Game Settings was poorly made and made all of my Friend quit playing Halo 4 and went back to Counter Strike and other games.
> >
> > Think long and hard about that statement. Your friends all left Halo 4 to play other games.
> > 343i are not trying to make Halo into CoD even when it kind of feels like it.
> >
> > That’s exactly what they are trying to do though. Why do you think, ever since 343i took over, that we have had Loadouts, Killstreaks, ADS, Clamber, Ground Pound, and so on added to Halo? They are deliberately trying to make it feel generic.
> > I showed my friend some Halo 5 footage. He’s not really a diehard Halo fan, only played it a bit as a kid. Even he can see what they are trying to do.

  • just an idea on what you could do
  • Disable Halo 5 settings and activate Hlo Reach Settings easy
  • The modded space Slayer was a thing in Halo reach but they did not make a multiplayer mode of it.
  • my Friends stoped playing Halo 4 because the Custom Games was very bad and they went to play Counter Strike and Gmod + other game that haves better Custom Game Settings then Halo 4.
  • Many Games have Loadouts
  • Many Games have ADS
  • the Ground Pound, Smart-scope, trusters, Clamber are just in Halo 5 because 343i wanted the Spartans to feel more agile then other Halo Games.
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Counter-Strike doesn’t have any custom game settings…I mean you can mod it if you actually know how to do that sort of thing, but otherwise you’re playing the game-modes exactly as they were designed by the developers.

“Disable Halo 5 settings and activate Halo Reach settings”.
So basically you want the developers to program two entirely detached sandboxes into a single game that you can switch between.
Again, why not just buy Halo Reach instead?
If the only way to get old features to work in the new game is to entirely segregate them, you should be questioning why you’re bothering to begin with.

“Many games have ___”

You’re missing the point. It’s not that Halo is copying CoD, it’s that it’s copying modern shooters in general when people want it to set itself apart instead.

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> Humans are naturally averse to change, but that doesn’t mean it’s always an unwarranted reaction.
>
> Take your armor lock example. What does it actually add to gameplay? It’s extremely frustrating for the person on the receiving end, slows down the pace of the game, and makes the game easier for the person using it. There isn’t really anything good that comes out of it, so why should people just be happy with it? If there are to be changes made to the game, they should actually improve the game.
>
> You blame the community for not having things like space battles. Do you honestly, truly believe Joe-Blow who spends all his time in the MLG playlist actually cares whether the game has space battles or not? The reason we don’t have these things is because of a lack of developer ambition, not because people are actively opposed to them. I haven’t seen a significant amount of people going out of their way to boycott space combat (no, the one guy doing it in this thread doesn’t count as an entire mob doing it).
>
> Then there’s the “just throw it all into custom games” argument. Having a coherent vanilla game is far more important than having a million half-functional custom games. I agree that not everything needs to be removed completely from the game, but there comes a point where you can only have so much bloat.
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> There’s no reason Halo 5 needs every feature from every game ever. If you want to play your Hardlight Shield gametype so bad, why not just load up Halo 4 and invite your friends? Why insist that it’s Frankenstein’d into Halo 5, even if it won’t actually fit?
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> - Halo reach stilled had MANY player but indeed not as many as Halo 2 or Halo 3, but still it had many players
> - well i’m not only looking what i want but also what other people wants, but seems like you dont give a F***K what other people wants and thats why i calling you a selfish, but i might be wrong that you are not selfish.
> - Isnt that like saying you just want a updated graphics of Halo 3 or Halo 2?

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> > I agree; but ultimately it is up to the developer; we are simply here to voice our opinions. I’d assume that since they’re making the game; of course they want sales; but if snorting works; it works. Yeah they do seem to cater to us a little. Some would say not enough, but I say they do TO MUCH. Think back to Web 1.0, before forums and such.
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> LMAO 343 isn’t giving anyone a say. If they listened to the majority there would be:
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> After taking over they have had one very OBVIOUS goal and that is to make Halo as Generic as possible, as COD as possible, without trying to go overboard and make it too obvious even though it is. Taking out loadouts, and care packages after Halo 4 doesn’t mena they listened to us. Those are things they HAD to do if they wanted to keep a fanbase those aren’t things they Decided that the fans were right on

the majority of halo plays left halo, they didn’t all say playing halo 3, reach or 4. many still play halo mostly the more hardcore fans, the majority of these hardcore fans like the classic small maps, and slow movement. but the majority of old halo fans moved on to new games that are in my opinion worse then halo 4. the majority of people on the forums are big halo fans. so of course they hate sprint and ADS. but go get off the forums and look at everyone that used to playhalo two and three the majority of FPS player prefer to have sprintand ADS. I don’t just mean the young kids. yes the hardcore fans are important, but so are the many many halo fans that were lost to the other games. i don’t believe halo reach was the real reason halo went down. it might of helped. everyone I know left to play cod and a few other games. sprint is a big thing in shooters now, and we will gain some old players back without it. but with it I am now seeing many coming back. as for clamber It feels good, but I still think they should keep crouch jump and have those awesome skill jumps, and not make everything just for clamber. as for the ranking system , I don’t care if it is 1_50 as long as the system works good I dont care if it says gold silver purple or 50. and anyone that does not want theatermode is insane. and I can get used to ADS as long as it plays like halos scope, I don’t care its to gain old and new players back

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Why not just ask for a spin-off title with those features in? Sounds cool but 343 probably don’t know how to make it, after all they couldn’t put 4 games on one disc could they?

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> Isnt that like saying you just want a updated graphics of Halo 3 or Halo 2?

Why does everyone lump Halo 1 to Halo 3 together as if they were the same game?
Halo Ce, Halo 2, and Halo 3 all share the same basic formula, while playing quite different from one another.

What I want is a Halo game that takes the best from all of those games, then further improves on it.

To me, Halo 5 is not that game. There are things I like about Halo 5, and many other things I hate about it.

How you people possibly equate “I don’t want Mario Platforming Games to become Madden NFL” to “I just want an exact replica of Mario Bros 1” is beyond me.