> Those who are confused as to how you kill a vehicle without spawning with a PP or sticky grenade really have never played pure Halo. The answer is simple. You can flip over a hog or something with the frag grenades off spawn. Or, I know this sounds crazy, in the old Halo games you’d have to move around the map to pick up a weapon like a PP or a plasma grenade, and then kill a vehicle. Vehicles were great in Halo 3. Halo 3 was great.
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> Vehicle health is also terrible. But that’s another topic.
^This
And any defenders here who think they are so skilled with the dmr can easily shoot the driver out of the vehicle if they wanted. No need to spam it at the vehicle itself to blow the whole thing up. I would love to see all of you try to play halo 3 without your precious vehicle killing dmr and pp/sticky combo. No wonder you people love halo 4 so much, its so easy to play now.
I like to assist my team a lot, 'specially in CTF. I RARELY get taken out whilst in the car. It takes a lot of skill and patience to dodge the onslaught of people trying to take your vehicle. You’re right, the game does provide easier access for users to take out vehicles but I honestly find it a refreshing -Yoinking!- challenge.
As a wheelman, I’ve only been stuck once, at I survived that but afterward a bunch of guys used the mounted turret to blow it up. The second time I’ve been taken out was when I was driving in Ragnarok and was trying to get to RED base and didn’t turn quick enough and got stuck in between the rocky area in the river. Only took that one mishap for 3 reds to appear and hijack my -Yoink-.
Besides those two instances, I find it fairly easy to avoid the enemy. So honestly man, I suggest you just practice practice practice and you’ll quickly get the hang of it.
*Oh and I also use my mini-map to purposefully drive around or avoid enemies if I can (specially the mantis).
> What I’m reading is “I’m a bad wheelman.”
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> I like to assist my team a lot, 'specially in CTF. I RARELY get taken out whilst in the car. It takes a lot of skill and patience to dodge the onslaught of people trying to take your vehicle. You’re right, the game does provide easier access for users to take out vehicles but I honestly find it a refreshing -Yoinking!- challenge.
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> As a wheelman, I’ve only been stuck once, at I survived that but afterward a bunch of guys used the mounted turret to blow it up. The second time I’ve been taken out was when I was driving in Ragnarok and was trying to get to RED base and didn’t turn quick enough and got stuck in between the rocky area in the river. Only took that one mishap for 3 reds to appear and hijack my -Yoink!-.
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> Besides those two instances, I find it fairly easy to avoid the enemy. So honestly man, I suggest you just practice practice practice and you’ll quickly get the hang of it.
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> *Oh and I also use my mini-map to purposefully drive around or avoid enemies if I can (specially the mantis).
Please refrain from giving your opinion if you haven’t actually done it very much.
This guy’s stats: Wheelman Adept 12/50 he’s not a frequent or good wheelman.
Map design in Halo 4 forces you to either
A) camp in a corner with the Warthog not killing anyone because you’re too far away
or
B) drive down a narrow corridor and get stuck because you’re 5 feet away from the player
And really, the above is only a slight exaggeration.
> What I’m reading is “I’m a bad wheelman.”
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> I like to assist my team a lot, 'specially in CTF. I RARELY get taken out whilst in the car. It takes a lot of skill and patience to dodge the onslaught of people trying to take your vehicle. You’re right, the game does provide easier access for users to take out vehicles but I honestly find it a refreshing -Yoinking!- challenge.
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> As a wheelman, I’ve only been stuck once, at I survived that but afterward a bunch of guys used the mounted turret to blow it up. The second time I’ve been taken out was when I was driving in Ragnarok and was trying to get to RED base and didn’t turn quick enough and got stuck in between the rocky area in the river. Only took that one mishap for 3 reds to appear and hijack my -Yoink!-.
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> Besides those two instances, I find it fairly easy to avoid the enemy. So honestly man, I suggest you just practice practice practice and you’ll quickly get the hang of it.
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> *Oh and I also use my mini-map to purposefully drive around or avoid enemies if I can (specially the mantis).
^ And what I’m reading is “I dont want to work too hard to kill a vehicle, so I’ll spawn with the weapons needed instead”
Must I list all of the power weapons that randomly spawn around the map and in personal ordinance that can easily damage/take out vehicles?
With all this -Yoink- on the map, I honestly dont even see the point in spawning with plasma pistols and stickies. I also see no point in having primary weapons that can wreck vehicles like theyre cardboard. Its all just unessesary.
> > > > > I don’t know how you would take down a gauss hog or tank in Halo 4 without a plasma pistol or sticky grenade.
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> > > > get 3 distraction medals 2 assits and a comeback kill. then you will magically get a laser/rockets/incineration canon
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> > > Without ordinance, without a PP, or plasma grenade on Exile. How do you destroy a gauss hog, or a tank, or both if the enemy does or does not have a banshee.
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> > > Grab a sniper rifle? If your teammate has one and dies, it disappears in 10 seconds.
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> > > In that time, the score goes up by 50 points.
> > >
> > > So what do you do?
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> > Without all that junk, they would be placed on the map like in 1-3. so you would actually have to pick it up when it spawns and use it. have you never played any other halo games?
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> You’re intentionally trying to misdirect the topic at hand and avoiding giving an answer. We’re not talking about Halo 1-3, which I’ve played, we’re talking about Halo 4.
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> The other team has a gauss hog, you have no PP or plasma grenades. Your options are either get killed and wait until you MAY get an ordnance weapon, or hope a sniper rifle spawns and isn’t taken by a moron, or attempt to shoot the gauss hog with a DMR hoping to kill it before it racks up way to many points.
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> Vehicles are fine and they should be allowed to be taken down with plasma pistols and sticky grenades. You can use te wheelman perk and still be very contendable towards threats.
The gauss hog should just be removed, because in Halo 3 is was extremely overpowered. It’s only balanced now because it’s SO EASY TO KILL because of PP and plasma grenades in loadouts.
If they removed gauss hog, it would allow them to remove PP and plasma grenades from loadouts. Put them on the map, and that would make chain hog/ghost/banshee power “weapons” again.
Vehicles are not fine, and the chain warthog is ABSOLUTELY NOT “very contendable towards threats” the chain warthog is a rolling double kill.
I consider myself a good wheelman. I drove all the time in Halo 3 (check my stats). I don’t even get in a chain warthog anymore*, you almost always give up a FREE double kill.
*I will get in chain hog in 4v4, where people are less likely to use their PP and plasma grenade loadouts.
I wonder if it started back in Halo 3 on Standoff where some people who don’t have that skill complained “WAHH!! I can destroy that Warthog! Nerf it, Bungie! Or I’m leaving! WAHH!!!” and then Bungie did what they wanted with Reach and then carried on to Halo 4. If 343 wants Vehicular Combat back, then make it atleast as strong as it was in Halo 3.
I can actually agree on that although they are slightly stronger then Reach. It takes 2 Plasmas to kill a Warthog or a Ghost, 2 laser shots to kill a Mantis. But if you have the Incineration Cannon, you’ll basically one shot everything because the damn thing is a mini nuke cannon or something.
> > > I don’t know how you would take down a gauss hog or tank in Halo 4 without a plasma pistol or sticky grenade.
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> > get 3 distraction medals 2 assits and a comeback kill. then you will magically get a laser/rockets/incineration canon
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> Without ordinance, without a PP, or plasma grenade on Exile. How do you destroy a gauss hog, or a tank, or both if the enemy does or does not have a banshee.
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> Grab a sniper rifle? If your teammate has one and dies, it disappears in 10 seconds.
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> In that time, the score goes up by 50 points.
>
> So what do you do?
How about you don’t give the enemy team the gauss hog and the tank, and if you do, you pay for your mistake by dying a lot until you can counter it.
WOW! Imagine that, a game that actually punishes players for bad gameplay. Oh, wait, I don’t have to imagine because that is what Halo 1, 2 and 3 were.
> > Those who are confused as to how you kill a vehicle without spawning with a PP or sticky grenade really have never played pure Halo. The answer is simple. You can flip over a hog or something with the frag grenades off spawn. Or, I know this sounds crazy, in the old Halo games you’d have to move around the map to pick up a weapon like a PP or a plasma grenade, and then kill a vehicle. Vehicles were great in Halo 3. Halo 3 was great.
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> > Vehicle health is also terrible. But that’s another topic.
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> ^This
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> And any defenders here who think they are so skilled with the dmr can easily shoot the driver out of the vehicle if they wanted. No need to spam it at the vehicle itself to blow the whole thing up. I would love to see all of you try to play halo 3 without your precious vehicle killing dmr and pp/sticky combo. No wonder you people love halo 4 so much, its so easy to play now.
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> Real pros can play halos ce-3 without a problem.
I can easily BR someone out of the Warthog in Halo 3 or take down a Tank just as easy? So try that again. If people love Halo 4, it’s their opinion? Or has this community been drained to where if people didn’t play Halo 3, they aren’t allowed to have one?
> > > Those who are confused as to how you kill a vehicle without spawning with a PP or sticky grenade really have never played pure Halo. The answer is simple. You can flip over a hog or something with the frag grenades off spawn. Or, I know this sounds crazy, in the old Halo games you’d have to move around the map to pick up a weapon like a PP or a plasma grenade, and then kill a vehicle. Vehicles were great in Halo 3. Halo 3 was great.
> > >
> > > Vehicle health is also terrible. But that’s another topic.
> >
> > ^This
> >
> > And any defenders here who think they are so skilled with the dmr can easily shoot the driver out of the vehicle if they wanted. No need to spam it at the vehicle itself to blow the whole thing up. I would love to see all of you try to play halo 3 without your precious vehicle killing dmr and pp/sticky combo. No wonder you people love halo 4 so much, its so easy to play now.
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> > Real pros can play halos ce-3 without a problem.
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> I can easily BR someone out of the Warthog in Halo 3 or take down a Tank just as easy? So try that again. If people love Halo 4, it’s their opinion? Or has this community been drained to where if people didn’t play Halo 3, they aren’t allowed to have one?
I was talking about people who think its fine to spawn with pp’s and stickies. Had they thought back to halo’s ce-3, they would have realized that it took a great deal of skill to take out enemy vehicles, and now its so easy.
Im saying that if you were able to play halo’s ce-3 effectively without a problem, then you would be a pro at halo in general, because halo 4 seems to be a lot easier to play than the original trilogy games.
Its good to have a good background of all halo games to judge halo 4. Im not saying you have to play halo 3 to have an opinion, but it really pisses me off when we get people on here that have played no other halos other than reach (and maybe odst) and say the game is perfect. Had they played previous games, they would easily be able to pick out differences between the past and present.
> > > > > I don’t know how you would take down a gauss hog or tank in Halo 4 without a plasma pistol or sticky grenade.
> > > >
> > > > get 3 distraction medals 2 assits and a comeback kill. then you will magically get a laser/rockets/incineration canon
> > >
> > > Without ordinance, without a PP, or plasma grenade on Exile. How do you destroy a gauss hog, or a tank, or both if the enemy does or does not have a banshee.
> > >
> > > Grab a sniper rifle? If your teammate has one and dies, it disappears in 10 seconds.
> > >
> > > In that time, the score goes up by 50 points.
> > >
> > > So what do you do?
> >
> > Without all that junk, they would be placed on the map like in 1-3. so you would actually have to pick it up when it spawns and use it. have you never played any other halo games?
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> You’re intentionally trying to misdirect the topic at hand and avoiding giving an answer. We’re not talking about Halo 1-3, which I’ve played, we’re talking about Halo 4.
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> The other team has a gauss hog, you have no PP or plasma grenades. Your options are either get killed and wait until you MAY get an ordnance weapon, or hope a sniper rifle spawns and isn’t taken by a moron, or attempt to shoot the gauss hog with a DMR hoping to kill it before it racks up way to many points.
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> Vehicles are fine and they should be allowed to be taken down with plasma pistols and sticky grenades. You can use te wheelman perk and still be very contendable towards threats.
You’re creating a scenario that would never happen. It can’t even happen. either there is this loadout ordinance nonsense, which makes it extremely easy to kill vehicles OR they are map pick ups, and you would have to get these weapons to kill them.
As someone else already stated, it is your fault for loosing entire map control all weapons and vehicles, and now are getting spawned trapped. that is supposed to happen if you, or your team totally suck. Bad teams get spawn trapped and pounded because they didn’t secure anything to help them.
i have played games on halo 3 where players would rush to a vehicle just so they could dominate,but the way to beat them was always provided on the map in some form. on vahalla the warthog can help you dominate but you are provided with pod rockets. the only reason my team would lose is because some idiot would just use the pod rockets up on other players and not save it for the vehicles. i understand how halo 4’s vehicle health can be annoying, but just see it as another challenge. everyone does not use pp and plasma grenades on vehicle maps. all of u guys can overcome challenges like this in the game that is what makes you better than those who rely ONLY rely certain weaons or tactics.
In Halo 3 it took less skill to operate a vehicle, but more skill to kill one. In Halo 4/Reach it switched on us, it takes more skill to operate a vehicle and less to kill one.
Both have their respected skills involved but i preferred the halo 3’s operate to kill skill set better. Makes more sense as vehicles should be take more skill to kill then operate.
> Its to make the game noob friendly. Remember back in halo 3 days, when you took out a vehicle, you were a star on your team? It took skill, either sniping the driver out or timing that perfect frag gernade, it was a moment to be proud of. Or the rare bruteshot/plasma pistol attempt, which, if failed, was immediate death from a warthog.
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> Unfortunatly, noobs cant do that. Doubly unfortunate, thats who the game was made for. It no longer takes a skillful play or wise weapon use to take out a vehicle. Everyone spawns with plasmas and stickies, and if you somehow still cant kill one, they eventually die from DMRs anyways.
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> Mission accomplished 343i, you made it to where any noob can kill a vehicle and took out two important skills in halo, using a vehicle efficiently and dispatching a vehicle efficiently.
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> Halo 3 had it best, good vehicles but not too many of them.
> Remember back in halo 3 days, when you took out a vehicle, you were a star on your team? It took skill, either sniping the driver out or timing that perfect frag gernade, it was a moment to be proud of. Or the rare bruteshot/plasma pistol attempt, which, if failed, was immediate death from a warthog.
Oh, but you also forgot:
3-4 BR’s unloading on you
That has always been in halo. I prefer Reach’s new way because it adds more variables to worry about and you take less damage from incoming fire (unless it is direct hits). In Halo 3, all it took was 3-4 BR’s, in Reach all it took was 3-4 DMR’s, in 4, all it takes is 2-3 BR/DMR’s (increased damage). It hasn’t changed yet but your argument is valid, most vehicles are made of bread. Screw that armor piercing crap.
There are tons of ways people can grab power weapons now, from ordinance and map placed weapons. There is no reason that the DMR should be able to cause heavy damage to a vehicle so easily. You spawn with plasma pistols and grenades, they should buff the warthog’s health resistance to small arms fire and grenades.
> What I really see:
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> “I am upset that I cannot rape the whole map single handed in a vehicle, thus becoming a halo war god.”
What I really see:
VEHICLES WERE OVERPOWERED AND GAEM R PERFECTLY FINE, GET BETTUR, DRIVE BETTUR, LRN2ADEPT.
First of all, you can’t rape the whole map single handedly in the weak vehicles. The warthog requires two players to operate, and the ghost has incredibly low hp.
Second, you couldn’t in Halo 3 either. The difference is it actually took strategy to take them down in Halo 3, where as in Halo 4 you have all the counters at your disposal.
Third, though you specifically did not say it, I’m tired of people going “DON’T DRIVE INTO A GROUP OF PEOPLE, DRIVE WITH ALLIED INFANTRY AND UTILIZE COVER, etc”. It’s a -Yoink!- VEHICLE. It’s meant to transport people faster and be an actual threat. It’s not meant to tip toe at 5 miles per hour between rocks to stay alive. If you’re going to use this “strategy” (notice the quotes), you are better off being on foot with a weapon. Players don’t need to adapt, vehicles need to be buffed.
First off, completely agree OP; halo 4 has a complete -Yoink- vehicle system.
To further cred my stance, I have been playing halo since CE on the Xbox and even played CE on the PC. I am a die hard 100% halo fan who has played every game (even the two newest, worst ones: Reach and 4, putting up with all the -Yoink- because I love the little tiny glimpses of real halo underneath it all) and I STILL strongly believe that halo CE did it the best. One well placed made, that you could throw super far even, flipped a warthog. Then the drivers are out and become infantry with low shields/or no shields. Then you fight them. A good player could still out shoot the opponent and end up surviving, but were at a strong disadvantage. The vehicles did not have “health” and could not be blown up. Thus never respawning, and staying exactly where they were. The better team could collect ll the vehicles on their side this way to keep them out of the opposing teams hands.
WHY WOULD THEY EVER CHANCE SUCH A PERFECT SYSTEM.
Halo 3 had a great system with vehicles, but IMO, and a TRUE PURE halo opinion HALO CE did it the best, and did it first.
I -Yoinking!- hate where “halo” is now. The world is -Yoink-