The issue here is how you define gameplay vs how i define it. And in fairness there is massive ambiguity in how it is defined. In the way I define it it has nothing to do with cosmetics. So I dont really care about your articles since they have nothing to do with it in my opinion.
I would just go off of what 343 said in the Multiplayer preview trailer, “the body of customization content that we have on day one, ensures that there will be millions customization combinations for spartans on the battlefield… Coatings offer us some unique opportunities to craft some hyper polished looks and let you express yourselves in ways that you’ve never been able to do before. So we’re coming at this from a player first mentality. There’s no random loot in this. There is no loot boxes. It’s very important to us, that everyone understands exactly how they unlock customization content, and we have a variety of places where they can do that… All of these rewards are single source, so you’re never going to be confused about where things come from. If you can unlock something from the battle pass we’re not going to let other players circumvent that by purchasing it out of the storefront. Alot of our stuff is unlock through playing the game and only through playing the game.”
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Okay so it seems like your initial question directed at me is answered then: the reason I consider gameplay and cosmetics to be intertwined here is because by the definitions for the relevant terms used by many players, game developers, and even academics, AND the stated intention of the devs of this game: my initial statement is true. Only by a slim definition used by a minority of people who aren’t “many players, developers, and academics” would it not be true.
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I don’t care what 343 does without stand alone team slayer its not halo!
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You assume most people are defining gameplay the way you are and keep reshaping your argument to try and support that concept. Do devs consider it part of the game, sure. And is it how they are trying to make money, you bet. Does it have to do with game play, not in my opinion and after reading through this post most seem to agree with me. If you have such an issue with, make your opinion heard by not buying cosmetics. I never have in any of the games thus far and dont plan on it now. I am done with this silly argument. You refuse to try and see a different perspective other than your own.
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Is there cosmetics in the game? Yes. Can I play around with it by changing things up? Yes. It’s gameplay.
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I did this exact thing. I can’t believe you can’t use the Esports colours on other armour sets, its crazy. I love the Fnatic colours, and like the team, but now I’m stuck with a crappy vanilla armour set with cool colours, when I wanted to put the cool colours on my ‘cool’ (Mark V) Armour. My brain literally can’t fathom WHY I can’t do this.
I assume it was this way because of the teams getting 1 single set of armor to color in. They are all the same armor, just different visors, and colors. I would assume each individual team would need to color in each individual set of armor, or armor item for their brand to be used. I could be wrong though.
I understand most likely why they made this for the actual teams, because each team having the same armour gives no advantage visually or whatnot. But me as an average player having to pay for a single colouring of an armour that I can’t even use on other types of armours, considering they separated ARMOUR and ARMOUR COATING? Just seems so strange and unintuitive. I am perhaps wrongly hopeful that 343 might change this at some point, because I can’t see how they could keep it in. Again I don’t mind paying for this specific thing, I want to support the team, but like I am FOREVER stuck with this armour in its current state and can never further customize it.
You’re not just paying for the armor though. You are paying into the tournament pool, supporting your team, and getting the armor. Seriously, does no one think about these things?
I don’t think you read what I said. I literally don’t mind paying for this, I wanted to pay for this as I like Fnatic and like the colours. I am just completely blind sided for the fact that the Fnatic colours CANNOT be transferred to ANY other armour. I cannot wear the armour I want with the Fnatic colours I like.
There is literally no reason why this should not be possible, I paid £8 to support a team and get a cool colour on an armour I don’t even want to wear as its essentially vanilla. If they don’t change it, then I can be playing 12 months from now, having unlocked whatever armour through the battle pass but still not being able to use any of it if I want to wear the Fnatic colours. So I may as well have not bought it, as those 12 months of battle pass progression cannot even be used. I have to choose one or the other. If you don’t understand why that’s a rather annoying thing then good luck out there I guess.
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I read it, and I understood. I wasn’t just commenting towards your comment though. It was in general. And yes, there is a reason for it not to be possible. I explained it earlier. But hey, believe what you’d like bro.
There’s no reason it should not be possible. You explanation still doesn’t account for the fact that 343 should’ve made it so your team you support’s colours should be transferable to ALL armour cores. Not a set armour forever. That’s like basic, normal practice for microtransactions, especially in reference to earlier Halo games.
Again, the colors would have to be colored on each and every single individual part, item, armor set, whatever. I don’t think they would do that for the 30+ different sets that I’ve seen already. I get what you are saying, but I don’t think you’re understanding what I’m saying.
Literally on Halo Reach all colours could be applied to all armours, and furthered that with 4 and 5. They’ve done this before. They literally have armour colour sets on the store right now that are on different sets of armour. I know that is specific to Mark V, and to be quite honest I wouldn’t expect strange armour cores like the Yoroi to have Esports colours per se, but not even Mark V armour core? Hell, even though it’s technically on the Mark 7 armour you can’t even swap bits of the armour.
You’re telling me 343 couldn’t possibly have it so, lets say for a random example, colour an ODST shoulder pad in the same orange if you swapped it with the shoulder pad your armour would have on originally? It seems very short-sighted and aggravating that EVEN with a microtransaction you can’t properly customize your dude. I would’ve paid literally $20 for all I care to simply have those Fnatic colours to be applied to the armour in general, not just SPECIFICALLY those armour pieces. It doesn’t make sense.
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Not the same thing as reach, is it? They custom colored these armors. It’s not just a transferable set of colors, look at the differences. Some are camo/black/red, others are black with small accents of blue. I mean COME ON here, it’s like you are so thick headed you don’t want to see any other viewpoint than your own. I get what you’re saying, and I understand it, and I even agree to an extent that it should be possible, but at the same time I see the differing viewpoint of the devs here. You just want to argue, I’m done with you. Have fun arguing with a wall.
Nice one. Agree to an extent yet seem set on your own viewpoint of disagreeing. I’ve literally seen no viewpoint of the devs saying anything about why they are not going to let these colours be customizable and why they are so incredibly hard to do. If you can show me one great, but I guess you’ve won the argument and are off now. Good luck out there dude, maybe one day you’ll realise the difference between an argument and discussion. I hold no ill feelings towards you, and simply think a part of their game should be changed to the betterment of the players.
Game content and game play are not the same.
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To them, they think free to play is free or cheap items. They don’t think of time and money invested.
Game content: a tree
Gameplay: an action that produces results.
Customization is gameplay.
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