This is the future. Arena is the past.

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Halo was a good, if not one of the last really good Arena, totally equal for everyone multiplayer games to come out. Yet you guys need to realize Arena Type shooters are old and wont make a dent in todays gaming world. At least nowhere near as well as they did back then.

In the 90’s and such Arena games were amazing, thats when they shined. Halo was pretty much one of the last true Arena shooters to be made, Up until Halo Reach (Or 3 you could argue). However Arena Games themselves were never the only popular option of gaming either.

And in fact not all Arena games were that much better. Look at Counter Strike, it’s a more tatical shooter, A grandfather to a lot of modern day shooters (COD, Battle Field, etc) and it was miles ahead of Half Life death match. Half Life death match was the old Arena type game. Yet people wanted something more. Counter Strike to this day is still pretty well received and played.

Back to Halo 4

Halo’s past was an Arena game. Halo Reach brought in some new aspects but while still trying to maintain Arena type gaming and therefor it was torn apart. To each Halo the popularity was still cut in Half by COD/Gears/Battle Field and such. Because while during Halo 1 and Halo 2 that type of game was amazing and popular. Now it just isn’t. There’s no way a game like Halo1/2 (or 3) would ever be more popular then Halo 3 or Reach.

Therefor Halo 4 needs to adapt. It’s not becoming COD anymore then Halo 1 was just becoming any other Arena game. Yet Halo made it simple, simplicity is a huge reason why Halo became so popular. It was an Areana Shooter that was easy to use and wasn’t HARDCORE BRO GAMEIN. It’s simple, fun, and user friendly environment drew in a lot.

Halo 4 could easily do what Halo did. Copied other games, but make them user friendly, and just fun. Call of Duty is all glutterd and dirty. Halo 4 could easily be clean, fresh, like fresh water compared to pool water.

But I want Arena, Not modern

Play Halo1,2,3. (PC for 1/2). Or some older games. Because Halo 4 wont last a week without a change. If Call of Duty were to come out with no loadouts, ADS, Perks etc (like Halo) it would die off as well. It’s not much of the name of the game, but the content within.

If you want Arena shooters you could also WAIT. There is a possibility that modern/dynamic games will die out or become bland. In which either a new type of game will take over, Or go back to more simple/static games

YOU HATE Halo1 AND hlao2! you suck (I know someone will day it)

No. Halo 1,2,3 were great for there time. Theres no way you could argue with that. However today=/=yesterday. What was fun and popular and original 5-10 years ago is not fun popular and original now adays. ANd with the simple mathematical fact that originality is as possible as living a 50 foot drop. Nothing is. COD copied many games. Halo copied many games. Those games copied games.

Halo 4, 5, 6 will have to do. You’ll have to get used to things in it that have existed to some degree before. And ask yourself. Do you hate perks and such because you think it’s unfair, really, Or is it just because it’s in Call of Duty Better question is. What if Halo had perks and killstreaks. Would you still like it more?

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> Halo was a good, if not one of the last really good Arena, totally equal for everyone multiplayer games to come out. Yet you guys need to realize Arena Type shooters are old and wont make a dent in todays gaming world. At least nowhere near as well as they did back then.
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> In the 90’s and such Arena games were amazing, thats when they shined. Halo was pretty much one of the last true Arena shooters to be made, Up until Halo Reach (Or 3 you could argue). However Arena Games themselves were never the only popular option of gaming either.
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> And in fact not all Arena games were that much better. Look at Counter Strike, it’s a more tatical shooter, A grandfather to a lot of modern day shooters (COD, Battle Field, etc) and it was miles ahead of Half Life death match. Half Life death match was the old Arena type game. Yet people wanted something more. Counter Strike to this day is still pretty well received and played.
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> Back to Halo 4
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> Halo’s past was an Arena game. Halo Reach brought in some new aspects but while still trying to maintain Arena type gaming and therefor it was torn apart. To each Halo the popularity was still cut in Half by COD/Gears/Battle Field and such. Because while during Halo 1 and Halo 2 that type of game was amazing and popular. Now it just isn’t. There’s no way a game like Halo1/2 (or 3) would ever be more popular then Halo 3 or Reach.
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> Therefor Halo 4 needs to adapt. It’s not becoming COD anymore then Halo 1 was just becoming any other Arena game. Yet Halo made it simple, simplicity is a huge reason why Halo became so popular. It was an Areana Shooter that was easy to use and wasn’t HARDCORE BRO GAMEIN. It’s simple, fun, and user friendly environment drew in a lot.
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> Halo 4 could easily do what Halo did. Copied other games, but make them user friendly, and just fun. Call of Duty is all glutterd and dirty. Halo 4 could easily be clean, fresh, like fresh water compared to pool water.
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> But I want Arena, Not modern
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> Play Halo1,2,3. (PC for 1/2). Or some older games. Because Halo 4 wont last a week without a change. If Call of Duty were to come out with no loadouts, ADS, Perks etc (like Halo) it would die off as well. It’s not much of the name of the game, but the content within.
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> If you want Arena shooters you could also WAIT. There is a possibility that modern/dynamic games will die out or become bland. In which either a new type of game will take over, Or go back to more simple/static games
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> YOU HATE Halo1 AND hlao2! you suck (I know someone will day it)
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> No. Halo 1,2,3 were great for there time. Theres no way you could argue with that. However today=/=yesterday. What was fun and popular and original 5-10 years ago is not fun popular and original now adays. ANd with the simple mathematical fact that originality is as possible as living a 50 foot drop. Nothing is. COD copied many games. Halo copied many games. Those games copied games.
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> Halo 4, 5, 6 will have to do. You’ll have to get used to things in it that have existed to some degree before. And ask yourself. Do you hate perks and such because you think it’s unfair, really, Or is it just because it’s in Call of Duty Better question is. What if Halo had perks and killstreaks. Would you still like it more?
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I enjoyed the read! However there is one thing I must say, the arena shooter is for the more hardcore gamer CoD is easy. Halo 3 is much much harder. Thats why CoD is so popular its easy to pick up and play and do well but Halo’s not like that. I will say however when CoD dies(In the next few years; before 2020 basically) Halo will remain. Although I do think making Halo less of an arena shooter isn’t a good thing. Because Doom 4 and Quake 5 and also UT4 and Half Life 3, are all rumored to be in Development(Doom is in dev, Quake not ‘official’ UT4 will come out with the next Unreal engine and Half Life 3 well we all know thats in Dev) Once these shooters come out if Halo doesn’t go back too its roots then it will die.

I’m not bashing H4 I think it will be great and I LOVE Halo! But at the same time I do think that CoD will still be superior as its a more casual game and thats just how its going to be!

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What complete and Utter Nonsense.

Yes Halo needs to Change it Always has been look at Halo CE to Halo 3 and tell me that the game has not evolved … the game has not been stuck in the past like how you seem to think so…

Reach was discrace, not because it was a mix between the old and new, it was because it was BROKEN beyond repair… I don’t want a remake of Halo 2 or 3 but adding rubbish like AA perks and Killstreaks will not make the game any better why does 343i need to conform to the rest of the games out there?

343i Should be raising the bar not trying to be on par with the games around it… and this rubbish that you say that arena games are dead is BS I don’t enjoy those gimmicky type games, I just want to have a fair and even playing field not have this crap that breaks the game like reach, we can see have have new features such as vechials weapons AA and even perks but they have to be placed around the maps or be one time use equipment that you spawn with…

EDIT: what was wrong with halo 3 last time I checked that game broke records WORLDWIDE, nobody is asking for change… this is the game that Took on TWO modern warfare and didn’t get swept aside… While all other competition got swept aside… why need to use this formula for halo 4 not reach, the game that failed agaist black ops…

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> What completely and Utter Nonsense.
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> Yes Halo needs to Change it Always has been look at Halo CE to Halo 3 the game has not been stuck in the past like how you seem to think so…
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> Reach was discrace, not because it was a mix between the old and new, it was because it was BROKEN beyond repair… I don’t want a remake of Halo 2 or 3 but adding rubbish like AA perks and Killstreaks will not make the game any better why does 343i need to conform to the rest of the games out there?
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> 343i Should be raising the bar not trying to be on par with the games around it… and this rubbish that you say that arena games are dead is BS I don’t enjoy those types of gimmicky type games, I just want to have a fair and even playing field not have this crap that breaks the game like reach, we can see have have new features such as vechials weapons AA and even perks but they have to be placed around the maps or be one time use equipment that you spawn with…

I agree with you; but companies are in the business of making money! Thats why H4 is going more casual so more people will play it! I don’t like it but I’ll accpet it as long as it doesn’t go as casual as CoD did!

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> > What completely and Utter Nonsense.
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> > Yes Halo needs to Change it Always has been look at Halo CE to Halo 3 the game has not been stuck in the past like how you seem to think so…
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> > Reach was discrace, not because it was a mix between the old and new, it was because it was BROKEN beyond repair… I don’t want a remake of Halo 2 or 3 but adding rubbish like AA perks and Killstreaks will not make the game any better why does 343i need to conform to the rest of the games out there?
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> > 343i Should be raising the bar not trying to be on par with the games around it… and this rubbish that you say that arena games are dead is BS I don’t enjoy those types of gimmicky type games, I just want to have a fair and even playing field not have this crap that breaks the game like reach, we can see have have new features such as vechials weapons AA and even perks but they have to be placed around the maps or be one time use equipment that you spawn with…
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> I agree with you; but companies are in the business of making money! Thats why H4 is going more casual so more people will play it! I don’t like it but I’ll accpet it as long as it doesn’t go as casual as CoD did!

Thats the problem, It won’t make money by copy the same ideas and going for the same market as CoD you instantly lose, not only do you lose you orginal fanbase creating a negative atomphere, you play right into CoDs trap CoD fans will NOT buy and play you game when they can simply play CoD… The game may have a bright start but as soon as the next CoD drops the game is over.

Halo has already got a Fanbase ready to buy the game which other game dev can’t even dream of just give us what we want instead on trying to beat CoD at its own game.

Its not going to Happen… But Halo can beat CoD at Halo’s game.

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> What complete and Utter Nonsense.
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> Yes Halo needs to Change it Always has been look at Halo CE to Halo 3 and tell me that the game has not evolved … the game has not been stuck in the past like how you seem to think so…
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> Reach was discrace, not because it was a mix between the old and new, it was because it was BROKEN beyond repair… I don’t want a remake of Halo 2 or 3 but adding rubbish like AA perks and Killstreaks will not make the game any better why does 343i need to conform to the rest of the games out there?
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> 343i Should be raising the bar not trying to be on par with the games around it… and this rubbish that you say that arena games are dead is BS I don’t enjoy those gimmicky type games, I just want to have a fair and even playing field not have this crap that breaks the game like reach, we can see have have new features such as vechials weapons AA and even perks but they have to be placed around the maps or be one time use equipment that you spawn with…
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> EDIT: what was wrong with halo 3 last time I checked that game broke records WORLDWIDE, nobody is asking for change… this is the game that Took on TWO modern warfare and didn’t get swept aside… While all other competition got swept aside… why need to use this formula for halo 4 not reach, the game that failed agaist black ops…

I see you mentioning the addition of kill streaks a lot, like every other post of yours, personally I haven’t seen confirmation of this, so if you can point me to DEVELOPER confirmation it would be greatly appreciated

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> Do you hate perks and such because you think it’s unfair, really, Or is it just because it’s in Call of Duty

Great point here. There is so much comparison to COD on these forums. Halo is becoming COD etc, etc. In reality, it isn’t at all. Many, many games use Perks and join in session yet I don’t hear how Halo is becoming Fallout because it uses Perks…

Wait until we see a good chunk of gameplay before we get on the Reach bandwagon. I agree Reach was poor, but the ideas behind could work.

I do not think Halo is carbon copying COD. There are aspects which Halo is using which many other games have, but to go straight to Halo = COD is a bit poor really. So many other games use these aspects yet it is always the idiotic COD hate that the Halo community has. COD is popular for a reason, while Halo has not been recently. COD is an easy Pick up and go game, that is why it is popular. Halo take skill and is hard to get into.

Just my two pence.

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> > Do you hate perks and such because you think it’s unfair, really, Or is it just because it’s in Call of Duty
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> Great point here. There is so much comparison to COD on these forums. Halo is becoming COD etc, etc. In reality, it isn’t at all. Many, many games use Perks and join in session yet I don’t hear how Halo is becoming Fallout because it uses Perks…
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> Wait until we see a good chunk of gameplay before we get on the Reach bandwagon. I agree Reach was poor, but the ideas behind could work.
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> I do not think Halo is carbon copying COD. There are aspects which Halo is using which many other games have, but to go straight to Halo = COD is a bit poor really. So many other games use these aspects yet it is always the idiotic COD hate that the Halo community has. COD is popular for a reason, while Halo has not been recently. COD is an easy Pick up and go game, that is why it is popular. Halo take skill and is hard to get into.
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> Just my two pence.

It’s like saying Space Marine is becoming like CoD because of perks.

Now if you’ve ever played Space Marine, you’d know both games are COMPLETELY different.

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