Its hard to see how fans are in the wrong here… this was the longest wait between Halo games and its offered the least amount of content, lacks core features of the franchise from a decade prior, highest amount lag/desync, and gutted core features like customization to be utilized as microtransactions and FOMO.
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I do think the Halo community hurts itself frankly constantly.
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Honestly? Good. Halo has reached the point where it’s like Dead by Daylight. A once great game ruined by developers that just don’t listen to the community, and new players should not play this game.
The last 10 years of Halo has demonstrated that the only way 343 management accepts feedback, is if the community basically shouts at them until the feedback is heard and action is taken, and they still manage to screw that up (see the Tank Gun and Fusion Coil jumps). This is not healthy for the game nor is it healthy for the community, but this is the way that 343 management chooses for us to engage with them.
It sucks because a lot of us coming here are passionate fans. We are the audience that 343 management should be appealing to because we love Halo and we want to see Halo succeed, and our passion will drive people to this franchise. But every single time we get hyped or excited for the next Halo game or the newest Halo thing, there’s some problem with it. Halo 4 was basically just Call of Duty. Halo 5 was Halo in name only. Halo MCC was an absolute disaster. Halo Infinite is just… Indescribable in terms of how many issues it has.
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No, the community would have been far more respectful and understanding if 343 actually fallowed through with their words before infinite launched instead of misleading the player base to get them to buy the campaign, etc…
343 is literally responsible for ruining the Halo experience by literally trying to turn Halo into something it’s not. It’s like 3 different games and it fails at all 3.
I don’t blame the community for their actions and never will. I can’t stand fake people that literally lie to your face to try and get what they want. I’m not referring to the devs that do the actual work, I’m referring to everyone above them that actually makes the decisions in what direction the game heads. It really makes me wonder how many of them have actually played Halo, because infinite is far from a Halo game. The only thing it actually has going for it is the company riding off the original Bungie’s gameplay, nothing else.
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I agree with this totally… I don’t know anybody that played Halo who comes here. I say played as they’ve left for didn’t pursuits. I came on here more when people stopped playing.
Now I believe coming on here is just part of the game. - after all there is no social in the game!
The broader audience are completely oblivious to the majority of rants about Halo. However after the BP/Ten games of ranked and the content draught they just stop.
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This is common of many fandoms and while undesirable it is not a big deal. I’d say I am fairly optimistic about the current and future of the Halo franchise. I’d say Halo’s negative things surrounding it is largely the devs fault & not the community
The Halo community has made one thing clear: Just give us all that we have enjoyed before
If anything can be observed from 343’s track record, it would be that they do not understand the concept of “Don’t fix what ain’t broke” Ever since they have inherited the Halo franchise, they kept repeatedly changing what made Halo a unique game in order to chase trends and turn it into something Halo is not.
Infinite was to be that “back to basics” title but 343 in their Infinite wisdom (pun intended) decided that:
- Let’s make a new engine which will give us more trouble down the road because why not
- Let’s make a F2P model because why not
- Let’s AGAIN ignore player feedback because why not
- Let’s strip down the battlepass because why not
- Let’s remove Region selection because why not
- Let’s force crossplay for Ranked because why not
343 will never learn that the more they innovate, the harder they fall. What most Halo fans want is a Halo experience, not a NEW HALO experience. Not to say we shouldn’t be getting a new Halo with new story or whatever, but if the tradeoff is that we lost everything that once made Halo great, I’d rather just have H3 Anniversary.
But even that I can’t trust 343 to get right.
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People forget it’s a game and, that there is more to life than halo.
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As disappointed as I was with the road map, on the up side, at least it was realistic, and not giving us false hopes
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All because there were many promises from 343 and Microsoft. They spent a lot of money on PR and paid good reviews and reviews. Now the moderator will delete my comment again. you can’t write like that. how so? paid reviews? Yes, they are paid guys. Because there is another reason to write: “This is a masterpiece !!!” when there are so many problems in the game. No sane person would write such a thing. We were waiting for the game of the year, we were waiting for something grandiose, cool, unreal. And it came out. We write about problems, but they are not solved. Hence the pessimism. Personally, I have no faith that 343 will fix the game. I’m waiting for the new Call of duty mw2. That’s when I delete Halo permanently. Now there’s just nothing to play.
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I’ve tried to be as positive as I can be, but my faith and patience has run dry. This game was released in such a poor state with virtually no content. Steps were taken in the right direction for player customization, but then restricted it behind paywalls. I could go on, but sadly I don’t have time to get into all the things that have disappointed me. I’ve already done that more than enough on other threads.
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Just saying, it’s easy for someone as yourself to express an opinion like this because you don’t have any time invested in Halo at all. There are many players that have been playing Halo for years.
It’s not about how the franchise has changed, it’s about how the franchise went about it literally lying to the player base face to sell a broken game. 343 calls this a “live service”, yet they really haven’t done anything to even to be able to claim that it is one. How they presented themselves with this and the shop, basing an entire game around that shop and BP?
This isn’t called “change” this was literally 343 forcing their BS on the player base, and if you actually played Halo you would see the huge difference between previous titles and greed that this game literally presidents.
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no, i don’t think i will.
It isn’t “toxic” to point out the glaringly obvious flaws with 343’s games and philosophy as a whole. Nor is it “toxic” to say what half the community is thinking in that 343i is only afloat because they’re bankrolled by Microsoft who need(ed) Halo to sell consoles and after 10 years they still can’t release a good, and most importantly, feature complete game. At this point Microsoft should dissolve 343 and lease the Halo IP out for it’s own good. Dealing with 343 is like a stroppy teenager mixed with a monkey’s paw and I am personally convinced they’re doing it out of spite at this point.
“Can we go back to the old artstyle and Reach customisation?”
“No.”
“Please?”
“Fine, we’ll use a Reach inspired artstyle but we’re locking all the Reach armour behind a predatory battlepass. Also we’re taking away coop, forge, half the gametypes and maps. Also blow me.”
Or what about
“Hey, you broke BTB. Can you fix it?”
“No, we’re going on vacation for two months.”
“But we still have BTB challenges”
“Ugh fine, we’ll remove the BTB challenges”
“But that’s not what we asked for, I thought this was a live service?”
Or
“Battlepass progression is way too slow and poorly designed.”
“Okay, we’ll make it faster, for people who play 13+ games a day. For everyone else we’ll make it slower.”
And of course the classic
“The servers have been down for over a day, what’s going on?”
“UGH don’t you know there’s a WAR going on HALFWAY across the planet! I need to figure out how to raise my son in a world now at war… No the war that my country has been fighting since the dawn of the century don’t count, this is totally new and completely different.”
And this is just the past 6 months. You’re new to the community, as you’ve said, you don’t understand the crap fans of this IP have had to put up with for 10+ years. The community isn’t toxic, our patience has simply worn thin. 343 are the toxic ones.
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While its perfectly possible for fandoms to become odd, twisted things, negativity around 343 is largely down to them consistently failing to be heralds of this franchise. Why should people be happy and positive and supportive of a company that seems particularly tone deaf as to what makes halo halo, and has to keep being educated by the fanbase routinely which they generally seem to ignore anyway.
This. 343 has been in charge of halo for over a decade, and still simply hasn’t lived up to what bungie did before them. 343 has literally one job, and its to make halo, and they’re remarkably bad at doing so. Infinite particularly stands out as it had a long dev cycle but is missing a surprising number of things that even halo:CE had.
Yes, covid happened, but only for a portion of the last year of development, which had only been a thing for a few months when the disastrous first reveal happened.
Perhaps, but 343 also relies on these people for their games to sell and even marketed this game as trying to win them back.
Many fans have invested considerable money in the franchise over the years. Not just buying the games and map packs, but all the novels, encyclopedias, comic books, figures, megablox, costumes, weapons, board games, etc. It makes it hard to just go “whelp game’s bad, time to move on”. Fans are fans for a reason, they’re attached to the franchise. They express their displeasure because they wish for it to return to the way things were when they enjoyed it.
Why should an unhappy customer be told to just leave?
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I have Halo MCC. It feels horribly dated. I’d rather play Splitgate.
excellent quality bait.
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Yes. I was so engrossed with the community years ago when 5 was coming out (had loads of hate then, but currently its gone to new levels, new devils). Most of the people I know from those communities left the ones I was in with them. We still talk together and talk Halo lore, etc. But don’t want to interact with any community due to how ridiculous most are in their complaints, whining, etc. Just negative nancys all around, no fun to be around at all.
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I notice this with my friends a lot. We play for a while and it seems like we’re all having a good time, coordinating well, getting hard fought wins, playing more easy maches, then morale will shift all of a sudden after one match and one person gets immediately discouraged and the rest follow suit because we cant help but agree.
The culprit for the sudden shift in attitude? The challenge system.
As soon as one person completes the weekly challenges, thats it, theyve clocked out. 343 did it to themselves. They sold out for a quick buck and created a system that they thought would force players to play their game or else miss out on the rewards. But it backfires every time my friends and i boot up the game. 343 wanted to give some incentive to play, but that incentive is so exhausting and narrow that none of us wants to continue playing by the end. The challenges force us to play a specific way instead of allowing us to play how we want to and unlock things that way.
And dont even get me started on how narrow and obnoxious som of these challenges are. Even though we all have plenty of challenge swaps, when we look through what we have to do and we see those busted RNG “get 10 kills in stronghold,” “kill 7 flag carriers,” “get 20 mangler kills in tactical slayer,” we all get immediately pissed off at the challenge system. Its not that we cant get around those challenges, its just the fact that 343 was so out of touch with the gaming community that they thought what they were making was acceptable for us. They shot themselves in the foot, because every time we get fed up with what we see in this game, we get discouraged from playing.
343 wanted to force the Halo community to take part in their weekly timed challenges and timed cosmetic shop. No matter what they preach about trying to do right by the player, this will always serve as proof that 343 is weaponzing FOMO as long as the timer exists
Also, lol, look at the MCC. 343 butchered relations with their playerbase solely by nature of that games inception
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I feel like it’s a very jaded community, born as a result of 343’s consistent track record of MAYBE taking one step forward, then many steps backwards.
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But you can’t get around that challenge because the game will refuse to put you into games that match your challenges. It’s near impossible to get the right gamemode.
“Better buy some challenge swaps, -Yoink!-” -343
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