For playlists… it needs to be like this so everyone is happy. Because I am sick and tired of AR starts, it’s boring and there isn’t any skill gap to be found. Been slogging through ranked for the only enjoyable experience in this game. That’s all we ask for 343. These playlists, right here… and a customs browser when Forge is released. Seperate the ranked playlists from the casual ones. in the menu.
Why is everyone angry that the AR is finally a viable weapon? And whats the issue with just picking up a BR at spawn? Theyre everywhere. Especially in BTB
They are not angry that AR is a viable weapon, they are annoyed that the AR is even viable on middle to long distances while it shouldn’t be and against a decent player you need a perfect with the BR to win a firefight on middle range against an AR.
AR is a close range weapon, not a middle and long range one.
Not everything needs to be AR ánd BR starts. It will only devide the playerbase up so much that its impossible to get fair matches, because the skill range is extreme. There already is a huge issue with the game not being able to create fair matches and most matches being completely one-sided.
On top of that: there still is no oddball and CTF playlist, while your list is dominated with all different kinds of slayer playlists. Objective players don’t deserve a playlist?
I’m positive that a person with a BR will kill someone that is shooting an AR cross map on aquarius, behemoth, launch site, recharge, and streets. To say that the AR is viable as a long range weapon is pure absurdity because the only thing its good for is breaking the ADS of the guy with the BR.
So then let me rephrase my question: Why is everyone so angry that the AR is finally a viable weapon at medium range? Its an Assault rifle. It isnt an SMG. So why is it restricted to close range?
I said can outmatch on medium range, not long range. So you’re twisting my words here. It is still viable on long range for a good player (especially on MKB), even against BR. It wouldn’t win on long range (unless you have a very skilled player against an average player on that range), but would get the shields down.
Across map on aquarius, recharge and streets would mean you have a dumb player, since you can easily run for cover at that range. A BR would rarely get a kill unless the ‘victim’ is not paying attention or battling someone else.
Because its a close range weapon. And it needs to be to balance it out. Otherwise most middle range weapons are completely useless since even an average skilled player would win that fight.
We not angry that AR is viable, we angry that AR is shooting way too far out of range. A full auto ez spray weapon which can shoot really far is just not fun to go against.
People are simply asking for a range nerf, nerfing it down to maybe just a tad further than Bulldog’s max hit range. I think it’s a fair request. I do not enjoy getting headshot by an AR around the corner when I could have obviously escaped it considering he’s spraying from so far away.
Just to clarify : This is not about AR cross mapping, because it can’t do that. It’s about AR shooting too far for a full auto weapon and having the accuracy to boot.
Am I? If you cant win a firefight with the AR at long range, then it isnt a viable weapon at long range. Whether or not it can outmatch determines if its viable, so if you say its viable at long range, it kinda seems like youre implying i should be able to get a long range kill with it. As for the cross mapping example, the point was to further illustrate how stupid it is to use the AR ar long range. And you even played to that tune as well.
I mean considering the fact that theyve nerfed pretty much all the other mid range weapons into the ground, the only option left for viable mid range weapon is the AR. Why should the BR be the dominant weapon mid range. Even the lore classifies it as a sniper.
It just needs to be Auto and Precision starts for BTB and Quick.
Ranked should always be BR starts. Having one ranked mode will make players more competitive and strive to improve, instead of falling back on “baby ranked” using ARs.
Ranked Playlists:
Ranked Objectives
Ranked Slayer
Ranked Doubles
Quick Playlists:
Quickplay (auto/precision)
Team Slayer (auto/precision)
Team Objectives (auto/precision)
BTB :
Auto
Precision
Heavies (Precision start)
Infection
Action Sack (Fiesta is inside here)
FFA
Ranked FFA… don’t kid yourself.
You really wanna be ranked based on a small measure of luck? You wanna be ranked based on how many fights you can join late and finish off? You wanna rank based on this? Really?
I genuinely feel like every time i see a post about the AR needing a nerf, its always followed up with something along the lines of “the BR is supposed to be better.” So it just seems like people want the BR to be the dominant Halo weapon. But like i said before, its an Assalut rifle not an smg. Just because its full auto doesnt mean its inherently inaccurate, especially in the hands of a genetically modified superhuman. Restricting its range would only add to the list of weapons that have been unnecessarily nerfed. The reason why people wont bother to pick up other mid range weapons isnt because the AR is just better, its because everything else was made so much worse.
Have I said anything about the BR?
No, I’m merely saying AR just shoots too far for a full auto weapon while retaining its accuracy somehow.
Two examples, Needler and Sentinel Beams by design cannot compete against the AR.
If you overbuff the Needler, it will become a cheat weapon based on how it’s designed to home on targets.
You over buff the Sentinel Beam and you removed the entire point of the Sentinel beam being a weapon that rewards keeping the reticle on the target.
Another thing is that it’s a full auto which can somehow headshot.
People are asking for one of two things mainly:
Range nerf, so it is still lethal within reason
Headshot removal.
I’m in the camp on point 1, but there is a huge amount of people for point 2.
For the sake of the rest of the sandbox, AR should be nerfed. Not a neutering. Just a slight tap down so it’s not so easy to get kills with.
No you didnt. But you did say that this was about the AR shooting too far out of range, and maybe for you that is what its about. But from everything else i see on the topic of the AR, its that it is meant to be eclipsed by the BR. Hell even the OP wants to segregate people who like using the AR.
There are plenty of other guns that should be able to go toe to toe with the AR at medium range. And again, the reason they dont hold a candle to it isnt because the AR is too good, its because 343 decided to make those other weapons so bad. The commando, the ravager, the pulse carbine (seriously have you ever even considered using a pulse carbine for fun?). But the needler and sentinal beam are fine. I’ve done well with the needler going 1 on 1 with someone firing an AR at me even after they got first shot. The sentinal beam is a purely skill based weapon that rewards high accuracy with a relatively fast TTK. Even the sidekick can go head on with the AR, especially at medium range. My whole point is why are we focusing on adding to the list of undesirable weapons instead of expanding upon the list of weapons that can stand up to the issues that youre mentioning?
Not sure why you’re stuck on the AR being a short range weapon. Assault rifles in general are mid range weapons. All of them. By design. Just like pistols and SMGs are short range weapons.
The BR is a mid-to-long range weapon. It makes sense for the AR and the BR to be evenly matched at mid range. There are lots of ways to feather your shots and use cover with a BR to out-maneuver an AR. But people don’t want to do that. They just want to run headlong at the enemy, no cover, and win because they have “the right gun”.
I don’t see how there is any luck involved when each player makes a choice. The choice they made is the bed they sleep in. A player coming to me one shot after a battle is HIS CHOICE TO BE THERE.
Most of the cases, there is no choice to be made.
You walk into an ongoing fight, you pick off all the weakened players, you score better. That’s not a good measure of skill at all. People don’t have a choice to run if they are already in a fight, but you sure as hell ain’t gonna make a choice to let them recharge their shields first right?
FFA is just a game of seeing who’s the best at clean up.
It’s either that, or everyone is just playing the camp game and picking off whatever meat comes by.
Quoting someone from elsewhere:
FFA is just a game mode to see who wins the Top Janitor award.
I liked how Halo Reach playlist was set up. There should always be a variety and to say what you suggested would make everyone happy is just simply not true at all. The main reason I say this is that a lot of players rely on using the same weapon all the time.
My suggestion is to switch things up because having the same starting weapon in just about every game mode is stupid. Also, I believe 343 needs to get this (control issue they have out of their head by getting some mental health help.)
( Games should always be created giving the players that players choice, period. ) 343 has become just as bad as this new Bungie has with this obsession with controlling players how to play their game. The playlist should be optionally so players can play what (they want to play 343.) and the game modes should be optional as well with a variety of them.
Right now Infinite still feels like it’s still in Beta mode.
First of all. Off spawn. You make a choice. Every single person has the choice to do certain things. Those choices determine where you end up on the battle field. If your choice ended u up in a bad place then that’s on you. Someone cleaning you up is your fault. Not he other way around