Ok people. We are now at the breaking point. People shouting left and right about “opinions” and then shouting them down with “facts.” I have mixed opinions on H5, however we cannot continue in this current state.
Do you wonder why the MCC did not go well?
Do you wonder why certain aspects of H5 was overlooked by 343i?
I can tell you why. The community did not come together and explain the faults in more serious detail. I will take a good example on the matter.
Warzone assault glitch. We all banded together making multiple forums on the issue, commenting to 343i that we wanted this fixed ASAP. A collective majority allowed the voice to be heard under the cloud of video game design. Due to the administrators having to deal with a lot of things. Such as tweaks and other glitches to the game. If the community hadn’t spoken in the way that it did then this issue may have been overlooked until Christmas.
What is my point?
My point is that we must use this same tactic in the way of H6. Due to us arguing and bickering during H5 development we never actually got messages across that could of developed the game. I will give a example. During last Christmas, their was a poll regarding the rocket launcher. A poll launched that wanted to buff the rocket launcher so that the splash damage was buffed. I did disagree with this from a gameplay perspective. During the later stages of the forum, multiple people said “Mate, the rocket is fine, just shut up” or “Those who want it buffed are not good players.” This sparked a massive argument which led to the forum being closed.
This was a shame since this forum was both constructive and critical in the early pages. Had it not had this unfortunate turn then it might of been able to puncture the cloud that is video game development.
I have made forums of these before, however regarding this matter I have not.
This community must change or risk splitting into two groups which will be impossible to work together.
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> Halo 6… Why must we keep talking about that? It’s years away. Let’s focus on making Halo 5 a community organized game, come on.
We should talk about Halo 6 now because it is in development. Now it’s when they can add our Feedback, and not 3 month before the game’s release
I don’t wonder why MCC didn’t do well.I know why. Most of the remake was outsourced and it is now obvious that the game was not ready to be released when it was. There is nothing MAJOR wrong with H5. It needs tweaking, but that normal for game launches these days. I’m enjoying the game, even when I go to play another game, I keep thinking of Halo and then come back to it.
The problem of this forum is the blind fanboys. Whenever there is something that criticizes the game, they will come out of their holes and claim that everything is perfekt already and should stay as it is. Best example is the topic about the Warzone bosses. Being rewarded for stealing them is obviously a flaw in the gametypes design. Yet when people try to bring something like that up, the fanboys come and call them whiners, complainers or that they should adapt and everything is fine the way it is. They hold the game back by not allowing people that are trying to improve the game to voice their opinion.
343I could announce right now that Halo 6 wont have any kind of multyplayer and I promise you, you will still see a tons of people saying, “thats fine”, “I dont care about multyplayer anyway” posts. I stopped taking most of the people here serious a long time ago.
And yes, the haters that mindlessly bash everything are just as bad. But its the fanboys that hold constructive criticism back.
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> Halo 6… Why must we keep talking about that? It’s years away. Let’s focus on making Halo 5 a community organized game, come on.
Thanks you beat me to it.
Game has been out a month and people want to build Their perfect H6 hahaha.
Its like when GTA 5 was out 3 months and people were making GTA 6 demands…
I think the community does need to come together, but to make Halo 5 the best Halo MP in the series. Halo 3 evolved into the great game it was over time.
Maybe they should just put up a Halo 6 forum and that is where you could talk about that. Currently this is the Halo 5 forum so why would we talk about 6?
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> The problem of this forum is the blind fanboys. Whenever there is something that criticizes the game, they will come out of their holes and claim that everything is perfekt already and should stay as it is. Best example is the topic about the Warzone bosses. Being rewarded for stealing them is obviously a flaw in the gametypes design. Yet when people try to bring something like that up, the fanboys come and call them whiners, complainers or that they should adapt and everything is fine the way it is. They hold the game back by not allowing people that are trying to improve the game to voice their opinion.
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> 343I could announce right now that Halo 6 wont have any kind of multyplayer and I promise you you will still see a tons of people saying, “thats fine”, “I dont care about multyplayer anyway” posts. I stopped taking most of the people here serious a long time ago.
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> And yes, the haters that mindlessly bash everything are just as bad. But its the fanboys that hold constructive criticism back.
I don’t think there is a flaw per say in the Boss scoring in Warzone. I think the real issue is the issue that Halo has always had and will always have and that is a lot of players will not play the objective. I do think the boss scoring could use tweaking. If they change it will it make a difference? I’m not so sure. I’m sure when a lot of people get behind point wise they give up trying to win and do their own thing the rest if the game.
One last thing, this site is really no different than the Gears of War site or the COD site. People that are doing well don’t want anything changed especially if it either closes the skill gap any to make it more competitive or changes other aspects of the game again to level the playing field somewhat. Its the same on every game site. I do agree that some complaints are valid and tweaks are needed. People almost always have their own self interests in mind, not the player base. As one example, There are a lot of hardcore players would be perfectly content with a small player base because they hate “casuals”. but the Casuals is what will actually keep the series alive because they will almost always be the majority of the player base. COD being a perfect example.
343 needs to take a long look in the mirror for halo 6, they need to be honest with themselves with what has worked and what hasn’t since they took over the series and not be afraid to make sweeping changes, and start innovating for themselves rather than relying on borrowed played out ideas from other fps’
I see that most people are clear:
“Don’t like the REQ system; bring back achievement and challenge unlocks (Like in Halo 3)”
“Don’t like the ranking system, bring back 1-50”
“Don’t like -insert here-, bring back -insert here-”
It’s 343i that’s busy trying to make their own game.
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> I don’t wonder why MCC didn’t do well.I know why. Most of the remake was outsourced and it is now obvious that the game was not ready to be released when it was. There is nothing MAJOR wrong with H5. It needs tweaking, but that normal for game launches these days. I’m enjoying the game, even when I go to play another game, I keep thinking of Halo and then come back to it.
This, when 343 actually makes something, it can turn out pretty good… its taking risks that gets you in a bad position, im surprised anyone in the industry still outsources after colonial marines…
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> Ok people. We are now at the breaking point. People shouting left and right about “opinions” and then shouting them down with “facts.” I have mixed opinions on H5, however we cannot continue in this current state.
>
> Do you wonder why the MCC did not go well?
> Do you wonder why certain aspects of H5 was overlooked by 343i?
>
> I can tell you why. The community did not come together and explain the faults in more serious detail. I will take a good example on the matter.
>
> Warzone assault glitch. We all banded together making multiple forums on the issue, commenting to 343i that we wanted this fixed ASAP. A collective majority allowed the voice to be heard under the cloud of video game design. Due to the administrators having to deal with a lot of things. Such as tweaks and other glitches to the game. If the community hadn’t spoken in the way that it did then this issue may have been overlooked until Christmas.
>
> What is my point?
> My point is that we must use this same tactic in the way of H6. Due to us arguing and bickering during H5 development we never actually got messages across that could of developed the game. I will give a example. During last Christmas, their was a poll regarding the rocket launcher. A poll launched that wanted to buff the rocket launcher so that the splash damage was buffed. I did disagree with this from a gameplay perspective. During the later stages of the forum, multiple people said “Mate, the rocket is fine, just shut up” or “Those who want it buffed are not good players.” This sparked a massive argument which led to the forum being closed.
>
> This was a shame since this forum was both constructive and critical in the early pages. Had it not had this unfortunate turn then it might of been able to puncture the cloud that is video game development.
>
> I have made forums of these before, however regarding this matter I have not.
> This community must change or risk splitting into two groups which will be impossible to work together.
>
> Keep playing,
> BLUE101 5
Please, just stop… Talking about Halo 6 now is so, so dumb. You gonna make a thread for Halo 7 a couple days after 6 comes out too?
Make Halo 5 the best community game? So far it pales in comparison to Reach and 3. How are we supposed force this game to have a great community when custom games is -Yoink- and Forge isn’t out yet. Also, we actually do have to cross our fingers and hope File Browser shows up, because there’s no telling with 343. They need to meet us half way or more than that if they won’t a nice warm community game. It certainly won’t come launch day of Halo if they keep bringing features and playlists extra late into the game.
i think you’re overestimating our influence on the game. IMO there are 100’s of questionable parts of the game. Things that dont make sense, dont work as they should, arent what the community wants.
Yes, they had the survey, the playlist voting, but lets think about it a bit more… The polls are gametypes they chose to poll. I can think of 10x better playlists to add or play then Shotty Snipers or Rumble Rockets. Awful choices. The survey was not very flexible. The launch playlists were mostly set from the get go and all we did was order them around. I can tell you NONE of the things I asked for were implemented correctly in the game.
Split screen, delayed BTB, completely randomized customization system. Just a few example of things I can guarantee the whole community would NEVER want, and they knew that.
Nice to see that community blaming is still going strong on this website. It boggles my mind how you could even think to put any blame for the MCC on the community. 100% developer/publisher caused disaster and the community suffered as a result. You really think the community is at blame for 343 including a fraction of the gametypes and experiences at launch with only vague promises that some may come it the future? Do you really think that its on the community to spam the forums demanding features like splitscreen when that used to be a given?
Backing up to Halo 4, do you really think it was somehow the community’s fault that 343 decided to double down on the most controversial aspects of that Reach?
And as far as the community giving detailed and well thought out criticism goes… where have you been all these years? Sprint alone has gotten numerous detailed threads criticizing it and it by no means alone. All sorts of topics have been given detailed rundowns, criticisms and suggestions.
Bungie may have created the initial crack in the community, but it was 343, not the community who’s decisions drove a wedge in between anyone to create the great rift we have today.
