They're just going out and saying it now, Infinite, and Halo as a whole is no longer being made for Halo fans

Games Halo Infinite
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aLWvvon3ens&ab_channel=SeanW

Very interesting interview about the TV show and the design philosophy of Infinite.

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That has been 343’s design philosophy from the start.

As for live action cinematic video game interpretations?
They almost never resemble the actual material they are based off of.

Both of Doom’s movies, the Monster Hunter movie, and a slew of others ignore the source material in favor of “letting our creativity flourish without bounds”

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I love how their “bounds” are an excuse to not actually know the material enough to make a decent iteration.

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In a year or two when Halo is completely dead and nobody wants to touch it, they’ll be like, “damn all those hater fans killed the franchise”. . .

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Halo has been declining every year and every game soooo. I understand, but 12 yo with moms credit card is more important.

I.e. Fortenight=bad game held up by parents money

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Your first clue was Halo 4. 343 isn’t exactly popular with Halo fans. They said in interviews from the beginning that some of the 343 devs hated Bungie’s Halo games and were determined to add changes that would “make it better.” A decade later, here we are, still not making Halo better with these changes.

343 never had any intention of carrying the spirit of Bungie. They were determined since the start to hire people based on wanting to change Halo into something different.

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Kind of like cultural appropriation.

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They need to stop going for this imaginary broader audience and just make something good that pleases the current fans, and with that new fans will come.
People play Halo because they want Halo, not a different game. That’s like Battlefield trying to be like CoD.

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They never have been making it for the fans and they said this back in halo 4 days yet people keep forgetting and keep getting suckered in by this garbage comapny

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I am a Halo traditionalist and always will be. “IF 343I STARTS CHANGING THE GAME” any more to the left then I’m outa here. I’ll stay with Halo MCC and my other games.

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Yup. It’s one of the deepest roots of 343’s abject incompetence. They are a studio that believes the pathway to success is to ignore their core fanbase and appeal to a hypothetically more expansive broad audience that will hypothetically make them a lot more money.

The problem with that is when you ignore and anger all your core fans, as 343 has done time after time, there is no broad audience left to reach.

343 are run by management that can’t tell the difference between an IP like Halo and an IP like Candy Crush. A franchise like Halo cannot succeed if you spit in the face of its core established fanbase.

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It seems to me the people making Halo don’t have a true passion for the franchise at all. It’s all about how little can we do to squeeze out as much money as possible. The campaign for infinite very basic and a lot of cookie cutter stuff through out the area. Lack of basic functions like mission replay ability. The multiplayer maps seem almost like an after thought and just real basic. Hopefully things improve over time but not holding my breath. As long as they can sell $10 cat ears they will probably stay the course.

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It’s things like this that draw such a parallel between Doom and Halo. ID sees the stark contrast between classic Doom and Doom 3 and says “Nah, this was hated for a reason, let’s steer the ship back towards where this franchise was beloved”, and despite everything 343 Executives would like to believe it worked out great.

Best thing for this franchise is to dissolve the game development section of 343 and hand the reigns to Studio Executives from another company that have an actual vision beyond just blindly following the biggest trends in AAA development.

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343I should just give Halo to someone professionals like FromSoftware…

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To be honest… I think this is a good thing. Halo needs a new expanded audience. Times have changed and so should Halo. We cant hold this to the same light as infinite. Infinite’s problems dont really have much to do with 343’s vision of trying to reach new audiences. A bigger, newer community is a great idea and definitely something i support. It doesnt excuse infinite’s current state, but this isnt a bad thing imo.

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Doom and monster Hunter are also probably terrible choices for adaptations. I’d say many games chosen for adaptations shouldn’t be adapted at all.

Halo is one of the few gaming franchises with the chops to be adapted. Either as a expanded universe show,

Or what would be even better, direct film adaptations of the original trilogy.

Halo1-3 would work perfectly as feature films. Just enough content to round out a 2-3 hour movie, with basically no changes or additions needed.

Instead we got the trash on paramount plus.

Although the increase in graphic violence in the show is a good thing. Something the games should have more of to be honest.

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Halo had that giant audience already. Starting with halo 4 343 tried to pivot and it completely collapsed.

Theyve been trying to reach this supposedly new audience with all their content over the last decade.

It has instead caused the franchise to shrink.

All of their effort is having the complete opposite effect.

Not one decision they have made has done anything to find this mythical “new” audience.

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So, where’s this broader audience 343? They’re not watching the Halo TV series, especially since it’s getting a D- on rotten tomatoes and Metacritic, with it being in the low 60s on both platforms. They’re hardly playing the games, since according to the Steam there have only been around 8.5K players compared to the previous 252k players that used to play the game. That’s barely 3% of the people still playing. And of course Microsoft doesn’t want us looking at those pesky Xbox numbers, so who’s to say, but I would bet money that it’s much lower than they would dare to admit.

I wonder if it’s even worth posting comments on these forums at this point. It’s obvious that they’re not looking at these forums on Halo Waypoint, certainly not paying attention to the Halo fans. In trying to pursue this “broader audience,” they’ve locked us out. Now they have neither the support of this “broader audience” nor the Halo fanbase.

Since 343 doesn’t seem to understand feedback longer than three words, I’ll put in a few sentences just to see if they’ll flag it.

  1. Be Honest.

  2. Be Transparent.

  3. Communicate with Fanbase.

  4. Write messages weekly.

  5. Appeal to fanbase

  6. Be like Bungie

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    18 15 19 19 [*This one is more for the Halo Fans, since 343 likes to take down comments criticizing their personnel for bad decision making]

You see, none of the senior management’s decision making process in 343 is paying off. Actually, that reminds me of the Metacritic score. While the Halo TV series is getting low sixties, do you want to know what’s getting high 90s. You guessed it, Elden Ring. With From Software, they stuck to their roots, they refined their gameplay. And most importantly, they trusted that their fanbase and likely other audiences would absolutely love them for it. And that bet paid off in spades.

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More like Fragmented and shrunk at this rate.

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Based Elden Ring enjoyer.

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