Campaign and multiplayer are already separate components. So to prevent us co-op players from having to impossibly dodge spoilers for three months after launch, why not release multiplayer Holiday 2021 and delay the campaign until co-op is brought in?
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> Campaign and multiplayer are already separate components. So to prevent us co-op players from having to impossibly dodge spoilers for three months after launch, why not release multiplayer Holiday 2021 and delay the campaign until co-op is brought in?
Yes I made a post with this idea as well earlier. I suggest they give us Multiplayer in November and Delay campaign, while giving us flights for both Co-Op and Forge to allow players the chance to be involved and get their campaign and co-op experience.
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> > Campaign and multiplayer are already separate components. So to prevent us co-op players from having to impossibly dodge spoilers for three months after launch, why not release multiplayer Holiday 2021 and delay the campaign until co-op is brought in?
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> Yes I made a post with this idea as well earlier. I suggest they give us Multiplayer in November and Delay campaign, while giving us flights for both Co-Op and Forge to allow players the chance to be involved and get their campaign and co-op experience.
I’m surprised other people aren’t really considering this option. It’s really the best solution for this divide in the community. We all still get to play Infinite at launch this year. Everyone wins.
I’d rather not. Like every other ‘coop’ complaint…I’ll stll say no to this too since many of us want a complete game. Having multiplayer without campaign is just bizarre. Bad enough when company’s like EA abandon campaigns fans in games like 2042.
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> I’d rather not. Like every other ‘coop’ complaint…I’ll stll say no to this too since many of us want a complete game. Having multiplayer without campaign is just bizarre. Bad enough when company’s like EA abandon campaigns fans in games like 2042.
They already said campaign and multiplayer are separate components. Halo Infinite was never planned to be one complete game. You need to pay for campaign while multiplayer is F2P. Delaying the campaign will not provide a disconnect with the multiplayer side any more than it would if both were to launch this year.
Plus, 343i will be highly praised for caring about its consumer base by delaying the campaign so everyone gets to play it at the same time. Three more months is not a huge issue considering how long we’ve waited.
If 343i releases campaign and multiplayer at the same time this year, you can bet 343i’s reputation will tank hard (yet again) for only caring about releasing this game ASAP and disregarding the huge number of co-op fans.
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> They already said campaign and multiplayer are separate components. Halo Infinite was never planned to be one complete game. You need to pay for campaign while multiplayer is F2P. Delaying the campaign will not provide a disconnect with the multiplayer side any more than it would if both were to launch this year.
> Plus, 343i will be highly praised for caring about its consumer base by delaying the campaign so everyone gets to play it at the same time. Three more months is not a huge issue considering how long we’ve waited.
> If 343i releases campaign and multiplayer at the same time this year, you can bet 343i’s reputation will tank hard (yet again) for only caring about releasing this game ASAP and disregarding the huge number of co-op fans.
Pretty sure that’s not entirely true. You would need to download or install the launcher via disc and both install if you have the right content just like MCC. Of course it would be disconnected because if people bought the game on disc then they would not have access to both the campaign and multiplayer to play locally so no they won’t be praised for rushing out an incomplete game just because of a few people are too impatient to wait till the game is complete and there’s always a risk releasing multiplayer may accidentally release spoilers in-game by accident so it’s not worth the risk. 343i reputation is already shaky but releasing it at the wrong time can hurt their ‘rep’ even further.
They should cancel the campaign and just put it in a book or TV show.
Just leave Halo for the shooting and the microtransactions and the esports.
We do not need to suffer vacuous narratives based on themes like “Being the Hero.”
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> > They already said campaign and multiplayer are separate components. Halo Infinite was never planned to be one complete game. You need to pay for campaign while multiplayer is F2P. Delaying the campaign will not provide a disconnect with the multiplayer side any more than it would if both were to launch this year.
> > Plus, 343i will be highly praised for caring about its consumer base by delaying the campaign so everyone gets to play it at the same time. Three more months is not a huge issue considering how long we’ve waited.
> > If 343i releases campaign and multiplayer at the same time this year, you can bet 343i’s reputation will tank hard (yet again) for only caring about releasing this game ASAP and disregarding the huge number of co-op fans.
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> Pretty sure that’s not entirely true. You would need to download the launcher and both install if you have the right content just like MCC. Of course it would be disconnected because if people bought the game on disc then they would not have access to both the campaign and multiplayer to play locally so no they won’t be praised for rushing out an incomplete game just because of a few people are too impatient to wait till the game is complete and there’s always a risk releasing multiplayer may accidentally release spoilers in-game by accident so it’s not worth the risk. 343i reputation is already shaky but releasing it at the wrong time can hurt their ‘res’ even further.
From what I’m seeing, at least half of the community is attacking 343i for delaying the co-op and are demanding a complete game at launch. So if we want a complete game at launch, they should delay it and make us all happy. Waiting longer for that is ultimately the right but hard choice.
You raise an interesting point by saying multiplayer could contain spoilers for the campaign. But I doubt that because multiplayer is already F2P. A lot of new fans will try the multiplayer out first, and then maybe move onto the campaign depending on their experience. So why would they spoil the story for new fans by having spoilers in the F2P multiplayer mode?
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> From what I’m seeing, at least half of the community is attacking 343i for delaying the co-op and are demanding a complete game at launch. So if we want a complete game at launch, they should delay it and make us all happy. Waiting longer for that is ultimately the right but hard choice.
> You raise an interesting point by saying multiplayer could contain spoilers for the campaign. But I doubt that because multiplayer is already F2P. A lot of new fans will try the multiplayer out first, and then maybe move onto the campaign depending on their experience. So why would they spoil the story for new fans by having spoilers in the F2P multiplayer mode?
I know you doubt it but spoilers are already out there due to the technical preview and there is no way to know what else could be found. If people can just wait and then people can make their own choices when it releases with less risk of having the story spoiled. F2P doesn’t mean much since people are always finding stuff out in F2P games before official releases due to files revealing stuff.
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> > From what I’m seeing, at least half of the community is attacking 343i for delaying the co-op and are demanding a complete game at launch. So if we want a complete game at launch, they should delay it and make us all happy. Waiting longer for that is ultimately the right but hard choice.
> > You raise an interesting point by saying multiplayer could contain spoilers for the campaign. But I doubt that because multiplayer is already F2P. A lot of new fans will try the multiplayer out first, and then maybe move onto the campaign depending on their experience. So why would they spoil the story for new fans by having spoilers in the F2P multiplayer mode?
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> I know you doubt it but spoilers are already out there due to the technical preview and there is no way to know what else could be found. If people can just wait and then people can make their own choices when it releases with less risk of having the story spoiled. F2P doesn’t mean much since people are always finding stuff out in F2P games before official releases due to files revealing stuff.
I’m sure those leaks will wake 343i up and make them more careful about what they put into Halo’s multiplayer. Besides, spoilers in the multiplayer side is nothing compared to how many spoilers will inevitably unleash if the campaign is released this year. Like seriously, everyone who plays the story will post their experience everywhere, starting discussions about crucial plot details. Co-op fans are screwed.
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> I’m sure those leaks will wake 343i up and make them more careful about what they put into Halo’s multiplayer. Besides, spoilers in the multiplayer side is nothing compared to how many spoilers will inevitably unleash if the campaign is released this year. Like seriously, everyone who plays the story will post their experience everywhere, starting discussions about crucial plot details. Co-op fans are screwed.
Yep pretty much. I feel sorry for the kids that would now have to wait till the other person is finished while hoping they don’t get their campaign spoiled. I don’t have to deal with it these days but I just want everyone to be able to enjoy the full game when it’s ready.
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The truth is there is no solve ‘all’ answer at this point. The true answer was available 3-4 years ago. When the game was being developed into a below standard game. Someone at the top with 343i or MS should have caught this and demanded change or fired the leaders who weren’t holding the expected standards.
Eventually they did figure this out and fired many of the leaders, but with the time remaining, replacements being new, and the pandemic. We have arrived where we are now. In a ’not everyone wins’ dilemma. The game being pushed out 6+ years is a loss, delaying more is a loss, not having Co-op and forge at launch and on the disc is a loss, spoilers being out and every new day the game isn’t out increases your chances of accidentally seeing them is a loss.
There is no answer to satisfy all or even a large majority in this situation. The real answer, as I mentioned, is no longer available.
The next mistake was announcing that the game will be released Holiday 2021. Had they not done this, no one would be expecting the game now. But this still wouldn’t be great considering this would push into 7 years which would be crazy long.
MS is in charge of release dates, I imagine also is the one pushing 343i to release this year. So I don’t blame the current team at 343i. Though as an entity they are responsible and so is Microsoft, for being in this situation to begin with.
Also, I have seen the polls now some of which even includes the idea of releasing multiplayer and delaying campaign but the numbers all come out something like 45% in favor of delay and 55% against. Which means this doesn’t feel like a win to those who don’t want a delay.
So my dissatisfaction remains but the reality of the situation has left me seeing no other solution.
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You could also play the game solo
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I want to play the game for the first time in co-op. Like countless others.
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> I want to play the game for the first time in co-op. Like countless others.
“I want” is a personal preference.
There is nothing stopping you playing solo, its just that you choose not to.
Me and my housemate are Marvel fans, and watch the shows together when an new episode comes out. If our schedules don’t line up, I choose to wait for them to be free and risk the spoilers.
I certainly wouldn’t cry to Disney+ and tell them to delay the Loki Finale, because me and my friend can’t watch it together. That would seem rather pathetic.
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Or you could just not buy it or buy it and just not play the campaign till after they release the patch with the co-op mode… its basically the same thing and not every one plays the campaign on co op alot of fans are happy to crack on alone and want to see how the story goes… you can still play halo with friends on multiplayer till they release co-op/splitscreen.
delaying campaign for co-op is a good idea. microsoft seems dead set on a holiday release though…
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Umm everyone’s situation is different. Comparing a show to a game makes zero sense. Episodes tend to be 1 hour or less while games tend to be several hours forcing others to have to wait and are harder to avoid spoilers with. Things like Disney+ can be watched on tablet or any other countless devices so they can get out of peoples way with headphones in it while it’s harder to do that when people live with others when most people share 1 tv.
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> Umm everyone’s situation is different. Comparing a show to a game makes zero sense. Episodes tend to be 1 hour or less while games tend to be several hours forcing others to have to wait and are harder to avoid spoilers with. Things like Disney+ can be watched on tablet or any other countless devices so they can get out of peoples way with headphones in it while it’s harder to do that when people live with others when most people share 1 tv.
I think you missed the point of the comparison.
It has little to do with the convenience of it, but instead to do with his personal choice.
OP wants his first play-through to be co-op with a friend, but doesn’t want to be spoiled by other people who have played through before him. So OP is suggesting that the campaign be delayed, so that no one can play it solo before he can play it co-op.
The simple solution is for OP to play through the game solo like everyone else at release, but he doesn’t want to because of a personal preference.
In this context, it’s the same as me waiting to watch a show with my friend. I could watch it on release night, and then watch it again with my friend when he’s free, but it is my personal preference to wait.
I get that everyone has different situations in regard to free time, personal lives and commitments, but OP is basing his desire to delay the game on his personal preference of not wanting to play solo.
To delay this campaign, not only affects single SOLO players, but also the hardwork by the development team, who have created this game. What other AAA releases in the middle of summer? None, that is correct, this is because there are lower sales, PR, marketing and everyone has spent their money over Christmas. The loss in sales would not only affect the companies profit margins but also their staff and their families. We should all be thankful for what we get and be excited for what is to come. 343 Industries Do not delay, stay on target. Make a stand against people who want to ruin your families incomes.