They got us. Hook, Line, and Sinker!

Wow, looking back on the Pre-Reveal forums and posts, there were so many dying to hear news of the Falcon’s return and this was pretty much only because of the ONI card, and the fact that the update was reach themed (and for some more invested fans, and detail released before halo 5 was launched, stating that there will be not UNSC air vehicles at launch.).

Now, we rest in our state of dismay as we get a variant of the phaeton, blowing everyone’s mind, and not in a good way. We were all so dang ready to believe that we were going to get a UNSC air vehicle, the Falcon, for this update, it seems very few people were actually taking the time to consider how poorly it would be in the sandbox. It takes off slow, had no “Special abilities” (Banshee: Boost & Flips, Phaeton: That little slide/teleport thing, i dunno, but it looks cool.). Truth be told, Falcons would end up being little more an a quick way for enemy’s to rack up those rocket or Splaser commendations, even if it was the campaign variant, with the nose-mounted gun for the pilot.

We also need to consider that creating a new asset for a sandbox takes time. Thus far, everything has merely been a cosmetic & stat’s change for pre-existing weapons, even Jorge’s turret is just the normal turret with a fancy (and extremely beautiful) new 3d model in it’s place instead of the old one, and a couple of extra effect to the weapons ability (Explosive rounds and a speed boost, if I remember correctly.) In fact, it seems to me that the most difficult thing added to the sandbox post-launch is the brute plasma rifle, but that’s mostly just new animations and effects, as most of the weapons functionality is similar to the Storm Rifle. Adding a falcon would mean adding a ton of new animations, a large 3d model that needs to be animated, another new turret design, more HUD elements, new Sound FX, and needing to find a way to make it so it isn’t the worlds easiest triple kill for Splasers. Even the more combat effective Air vehicle, the Hornet (on account that it’s armed more heavily, is far more agile and swift, and is a significantly smaller target), would take a long time and a lot of resources to produce.

Looking forward to the 'Hog Wild Update, the Falcon was referred to as the “Warthog of the Skies” so if you really want to keep your hopes up for something that’s unlikely to happen, there you go, since the only other thing I can think of them adding that is related to the name is the Troop 'Hog.In fact, if there really is a UNSC air vehicle destined to be in Halo 5, it’s likely that 343 would need to create a whole new vehicle, due to the fact that neither the Falcon nor the Hornet have the durability or evasive capabilities of the Banshee or Phaeton, and in term of firepower, only the Hornet can compare to the Banshee or Phaeton. Now, I know what some of you are thinking. “The Hornet / Falcon could take out Banshees just fine in other games.” Keep in mind, those banshees didn’t have shields, there were no Sword or Ultra variants, and most of the time, you weren’t combating the opponent in multiplayer, but in the Campaign, where the effectiveness of a vehicle is skewed to make the game more enjoyable, because imagine in Halo: Reach, while flying on your way to the hospital, if the squad of banshees that attacked you were manned by players, and had shields, some of them upgraded with extra armor or even explosive rounds. You’d be down real quick, especially without that nose-mounted turret.

If we are to have an air vehicle, I’m willing to bet that it’s going to be something new, because it needs some way to evade oncoming attacks, needs formidable firepower like the rest of the air vehicles thus far, and live up to the standards set by the Hornet and Falcon.

The real issue here is we’re thinking that the Falcon is better than it actually is because that’s how we want to remember it. I don’t know about you, but operating a falcon successfully was very difficult on multiplayer, due to the lack of communication (assuming not every occupant was actively using a headset), and much like the warthog, communication is key, but even more so since the risk is greater, and without it, the players operating the Falcon’d side guns may be too focused on the ground, and other air vehicles could easily get the drop on Falcons by attacking from above, that’s if you’re lucky enough to get a fully loaded Falcon.

We, as a community, can’t lie though, our hype was unreal, and when time came to see the content reveal, and we saw a Phaeton, 343 got us. Hook, Line, and Sinker.

TL;DR - Making new things in a game takes a long time, especially vehicles, and even if it was a Falcon, it would just be an easy triple kill for Splasers. A Hornet would be a better choice, but 343 would probably have to make a whole new vehicle that can actually compete with the Banshees and Phaetons. Stop letting the sweet nostalgia cloud your vision, and think for a minute.

Very long I doubt people will read it but I did. I think you’re onto something with the warthog of the sky’s. And I never used Falcon much so I didn’t get the hype for it, it would literally last.5 of a second before it would go down.

i never wanted a falcon

You do know there’s already multiple threads like this right?

I read every word and agree with everything except that we all fell for it.

Many of the points you made have been posted in pretty much all of the “It’s a Falcon” threads. Plus the whole “confirmed Phaeton” images that circulated for a week or so, it’s hard to believe so many people still believed it WAS going to be a Falcon.

Although you did neglect the Gravity Hammer, as that was a weapon that was not in the vanilla game, you are correct when you say there have been no other new weapons or vehicles (I believe you are right when you say the Brute Plasma Rifle will be a re-skinned/remodeled Storm Rifle, but we shall see).

I just hope people learn from their mistake. Don’t over hype something that isn’t confirmed. Speculation is good, but when undeniable proof stares you in the face and you still want to have hope in what won’t be, I find it hard to sympathize you.

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> Very long I doubt people will read it but I did. I think you’re onto something with the warthog of the sky’s. And I never used Falcon much so I didn’t get the hype for it, it would literally last.5 of a second before it would go down.

Exactly the issue.

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> i never wanted a falcon

I’ll admit I wanted it, but mostly so we could have it in forge for the sake of making machinimas.

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> You do know there’s already multiple threads like this right?

I’ve seen many complaining and saying that 343 sucks for not including it, or accusing 343 of lying to us, but no any actually explaining it. Must’ve slipped under my radar, wouldn’t be the first time I’ve missed something.

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> I read every word and agree with everything except that we all fell for it.
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> Many of the points you made have been posted in pretty much all of the “It’s a Falcon” threads. Plus the whole “confirmed Phaeton” images that circulated for a week or so, it’s hard to believe so many people still believed it WAS going to be a Falcon.
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> Although you did neglect the Gravity Hammer, as that was a weapon that was not in the vanilla game, you are correct when you say there have been no other new weapons or vehicles (I believe you are right when you say the Brute Plasma Rifle will be a re-skinned/remodeled Storm Rifle, but we shall see).
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> I just hope people learn from their mistake. Don’t over hype something that isn’t confirmed. Speculation is good, but when undeniable proof stares you in the face and you still want to have hope in what won’t be, I find it hard to sympathize you.

Hmm, I did forget about the gravity hammer. That’s probably because I’ve never gotten one in a REQ, very rarely see them on the battlefield, and have probably only used it once or twice in a fiesta game, which are so chaotic anyways that I probably didn’t even knowledge it. Thanks for pointing that out.

The points you bring up are valid. The only thing the Falcon would be very good for is giving your enemies free credits toward the Splaser commendation. I feel that the only UNSC vehicles that would be able to compete would be fighter craft like the Broadsword and Sabre, which would play similar to the new Banshee or a Pelican Gunship which would pretty much be a flying tank at that point.

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> The points you bring up are valid. The only thing the Falcon would be very good for is giving your enemies free credits toward the Splaser commendation. I feel that the only UNSC vehicles that would be able to compete would be fighter craft like the Broadsword and Sabre, which would play similar to the new Banshee or a Pelican Gunship which would pretty much be a flying tank at that point.

Those would be awesome if there was an entirely Arial / Space based warzone map, but for the pre-exiting maps we have now, I think they would be a bit to fast to be able to use effectively, but they could probably just make it work more like a VTOL, change the style a bit, and throw a new name on it, and Boom, UNSC air vehicle. To be honest, I don’t thing I considered anything nut the Falcon and Hornet. Maybe they could bring in the Sparrow from Halo Wars, or even the Vulture as an Air-Tank.

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> Very long I doubt people will read it

Agreed. I had to swipe my phone screen a few times just to see where it ended. It’s quite the whinge!

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> I feel that the only UNSC vehicles that would be able to compete would be fighter craft like the Broadsword and Sabre

Another good vehicle would be the Sparrowhawk from Halo Wars. I could see it flying a lot like the Phaeton, but having machine guns and rockets instead.

I would love to see the hawk make a comeback, the saber would be too OP, lore wise and if it wasn’t as good as the reach one, people would complain.

Imagine if they introduced the Vulture in the Halo 5 multiplayer. It would be awesome to have a invasion type of battle between a Vulture and a Lich.

But I agree with Hazerbalde and Mattman that the Hawk would be a great addition to the sandbox as a UNSC sky vehicle. It could have Gauss cannons ( but not as strong as the turret on a Gauss Warthog ), a machine gun turret on the front and maybe some kind of flare to distrupt the auto lock of a rocket launcher.

I reckon it could’ve worked if it was only an uncommon req.

Would have liked it but am not going to complain… I do like the new Phaeton, for one, even though I’d prefer a new Ghost…

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> Imagine if they introduced the Vulture in the Halo 5 multiplayer. It would be awesome to have a invasion type of battle between a Vulture and a Lich.
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> But I agree with Hazerbalde and Mattman that the Hawk would be a great addition to the sandbox as a UNSC sky vehicle. It could have Gauss cannons ( but not as strong as the turret on a Gauss Warthog ), a machine gun turret on the front and maybe some kind of flare to distrupt the auto lock of a rocket launcher.

I remember right, the Sparrow had a Splaser o the nose of it, in attention to dual turrets, like the Hornet. That would be a good on, if they can make it work. Maybe it has a function where it can identify heavy weapons, like Splasers, Rockets, and Incineration cannons would be marked on the HUD, as well as Scorpions, Mantises, and Wraiths, basically, all the really heavy stuff.

Great read OP, you made some great points. They would really have to create a whole new vehicle, which takes time.

I played multiplayer, randoms slaughtered on it’s guns, and you forget there is something called BALANCING, it’s where you make something balanced against others, for example if you gave the Falcon ONI armor and ONI chainguns from the warthog and slightly faster speed with resistance to EMP, all of the sudden people would be complaining how broken it is compared to it. Not only that, but they would probably release other variants, and the shields are on the banshees to make it more of a hit and run overall it’s actually very weak to sustained fire. Same can be said for the Hornet or any new vehicle added. They could of course always add abilities to vehicles like the did with the banshee(shields).