They don't "owe" us anything

I condone any kind of threats to people but they must understand that they are the ones that communicate with players over forums or twitter so they are the ones that will be the target of this hate, same would happen if it was Bonnie Ross but as an executive of course she’s hiding in her palace…

Now let’s be honest here their communication as been all but BS and most people know it the excuse of “servers cost money” or “we can’t add more games modes bescause of queue time” this is BS and they know it.

The game is incomplete, lack of game modes that existe since 2004 is ridiculous same applies to customization like selling a knife for 8$? Wtf is that?? We had customization since Halo 2! Let me choose my colors let me create my own logo/emblem like we used to. Let players be creative and unique.

The game is heavily monetized whit the excuse of being free while no one asked for a free game! And with game pass more and more players play Xbox games on pc so why release a free game when we have a small fee of 14$ monthly to play Xbox games? It’s just for the store pure and simple greed!

If they don’t like the criticisms well to bad because they will keep coming as this is another failure for 343.

343 if something isn’t broken don’t try to fix It!

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I dont feel any lack of content for the launch.

I am not saying there arent ares to improve and build on, but lack of content is highly exaggerated statement.

Regards to multiplayer playlists I would argue launch has a watered down line up in comparison.

I agree with several your points, but I think F2P is smart decision to liven up the franchise for non halo players.

The execusion of macrotransactions is terrible, but I would not say its out of bounds compared to other companies.

I basically never buy macrotransactions anyway. It would have to be something really really cool, but lets be honest here. The focus are usually some clown costumes so I am not target audience for skins anyway :slight_smile:

Still the barebines games is good that I am personally ok with it and to be improved over time.

Definetly better state of the game than recent releases pf other studios. So I still dont get that hate vagon

My theory for the playlists is this:

They knew that Infinite is hyped game and that F2P model will bring in non halo players.

So instead of making custom lobbies now they made random rotation to make it easy for new players.

This way they try eventually all modes available and they also get good data to work with.

I fully support custom playlist to eliminate modes or maps I dont like dlfrom rotation. But I feel I understand why it is right now and I have no issue for now.

After 8th and onwards it needs to be inplemented.

Wait wait wait hold your horses, Spartan, we need to get a few things straight homie.

  • I purchased every Halo. 1, 2, 3, ODST, Reach, 4, 5.
  • I got every DLC 1-4, the Req pack with the EOD helmet in 5, a few pieces of armor in Infinite already.
  • I read every Bungie dev blog since they started Halo dev blogs and also the semi regular 343 blogs.
  • I hosted LAN parties at a local college for over six months until they figured out none of us were students and they banned us from campus. Right in the middle of a 16plyr CTF. Do you know how hard it is to collect 16 guys at 2am? Hard. No party invites back then, kids.
  • Ignore the last one.

Point is; I’m the kind of guy who, multiplied by millions of other Halo players, is the reason Halo is what it is. Moreso, one could argue, than 343 itself. Halo was already a blockbuster before 343 was a thing. Why? Me. And many me’s.

Now I’m not implying any intimacy or weird relationship-like thing here. I’m a consumer, and they make a product. But as games become more and more an ongoing service the transactional connection requires a sense of transparency. I wouldn’t frame it as ‘owing me’, imo, but some kind of dialogue that recognizes Halo isn’t some new franchise out of nowhere. We expected certain things. If these things weren’t prioritized it would be awfully nice to know why.

Now that’s not some excuse for the low level vitriol from the emotionally unstable clowns here and in Reddit. I don’t speak for them and I don’t consider them peers so I’m not gonna entertain being conflated with them. I was never ‘unhealthy’ with 343. All I ever did was buy Halo, play it, make posts in Bnet and Waypoint. No toxicity. Ever.

So miss me with this ‘we’ thing.

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Yep.
They basically want to have their cake and eat it too. They want to market it as a live service game but then basically ignore the community feedback and do what they want.

If they really want it to be a live service game, the interaction between 343 and the community needs to be much less one-sided and actually be interactive.

A good start would be interacting with and responding to the community on Waypoint. (As it is now, what’s even the point of Waypoint???)

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Marketing HCS

Biggest issue I have with Waypoint and Halo now in general. Ever since they got dropped by MLG 343 has been going full steam a head to make HCS the new cool amazing thing, to the detriment of the actual casual community.

Edit: Most of the time we get 1 or 2 well written lore articles, and then it’s HCS news. There is more HCS news in the wild than dev info, unless you actually go looking for it. ESports on Waypoints main page is before community. I get it, HCS makes money, but there is a way to make money and not seem like you are ripping off your consumer base. Transparency and communication with the consumers are the best ways to offset this perception.

To be fair they owe us nothing, if we didn’t pay for anything, but if we did… yeah THEY OWE US SOMETHING.

Developers owe their players everything lol. They’ll learn the hard way like the WoW team has been for the last few months losing millions of players.

To be fair WoW Is only free up til level 20 after that you gotta pay for a sub…

Being F2P isn’t an excuse. They are still providing a service and if that service is subpar and you treat your consumers like they are beneath you like WoW did you’re gonna get the same result. Halo infinite has already shown on steam that the player retention isn’t good.

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while i agree with that statment I also like to comment that, really unless you paid for something they don’t really owe you anything, if it’s free to play and you’ve not spent any money on it your free to just drop the game and never touch it again, however if you have spent money on this game then yeah they owe you a game…

Completely right, and we can’t blame 343 for this, but they might have the influence it takes to get Microsoft’s butt in gear with the needs of the franchise. The fact that Microsoft owns 343 is the sole problem. If we can take it to them, I would rather tell them straight up how bad they are devastating a gold mine of a product that could mean a great deal to them in the future if actually cared for.

Yeah i’d probably buy more if the game was better and the prices a little cheaper…

I’m not sure what people were exoecting. Any f2p game needs to make money somehow. I don’t like microtransactions, but I’m afraid they are here to stay.

This really has “walk all over me” energy.

How’s life as a door mat?

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I wonder how did game companies back in the 90’s do it without microtransactions?

I’m fine with a game that has micro transactions… Many people are, I’m actually even fine with it be old classic armor from previous Halo’s. I believe that they should have new armor and old in the store but not priced so high.

There are games that have proven the battlepass system works. All we needed to do is play the game get free armor coatings, armor, attachments, components, and banners, 2XP. Challenger swaps should be reward after playing five games.
Give out free in game credit, paying for free and paying battlepass users. Obviously battlepass users get more because they pay for it. You could even do events that give out credits or weekly challenges.
Make the armor store packs worth buying as bundles not a armor color and visor for $15. That’s the most outrageous part.

All the original emblems should be free, all armor coatings should be able to be used on every armor core.
The reward system needs reworked which they said they will….

But even then we still fall under the expensive store. Max for an armor bundle should be 2000 credits. Max for armor coating bundle which includes coating for weapons, armor, vehicles is 1200 credits. Now for purchasing credits. 1,000 credits $8, 1,500 credits $10, 2,500 credits should be $20 and you guys get the picture. Every credit purchase should leave me with more credits after purchasing a coating set or bundle. And maybe they won’t have to do this if they give out free credits or weekly credits for all the weekly challenges.
They can sell smaller armor bundles/cosmetics for 500-800 credits. As a business stand point only offer 1,000 credits as the lowest because in a free battlepass you can get 200-500 credits. In a paid battlepass you can get 1,000. I don’t want to keeping buying each battlepass unless I chose to spend my money I made on cosmetics. Each battlepass cost 1,200 credits it’s simple to create a good micro transactions system. That will work and for people to like, now not everyone because some people think everything should be handed down by playing but let’s be honest they don’t make money and that’s pretty naive. We need to realize this and work with them if they work with us…

Although I can’t stress, armor coatings need to be universal. Visors, and emblems should be as well.

Need events! I’m fine with events being challenge based on particular game mode. But give me a separate challenge category. I’m personally fine with the fact I didn’t complete enough of the challenges last week so when it comes back and I can finally finish it I won’t be able too get 100%. I think that’s how all events have always been in every game and sorry if you missed out. Maybe later in the year re-release it for people and complete the last two challenges I needed.
We need at least a new event every two months.
I like weekly challenge rewards but shouldn’t have to pay for challenge swaps. They’ve already worked well on the challenge system and personally I agree with their XP system. The only thing that will make it more like able is having set map game mode choosing in social playlist (Quick Play, BTB, and future separate genres). Halo 3 did this perfect. Our thought process in choosing should be; Maybe it wasn’t the map you wanted but at least people got the gamemode they wanted or people got the map but not the gamemode.
Maybe I just need kills on this map or maybe I need a kill with a specific weapon which is on this map. Have everyone’s set weekly challenges the same and if they want to swap one out they can just for themselves. They get free swaps every five games they play and even more through paid battlepass.

I like the idea of having SWAT and FFA back but I would like game modes within them personally. I get bored of slayer but sometimes I don’t prefer certain maps/game modes like anyone else. I think it would be cool if Swat had Oddball, Strongholds and more. Personally I don’t like strongholds, but it’s an idea and I know most people might not like that. I feel the same with fiesta allowing swat and fiesta be a playlist rather then a mode brings more fun and chaos. Especially in FFA, obviously strongholds wouldn’t work but having king of the hill back and honestly it would work in every playlist.
What makes it better is people get to choose out of three maps with set game modes. Eventually you’ll see what people vote for more and you can increase the chances to choose from those game modes then others.
I do think Rank shouldn’t have a choice in map and game mode.

We should have a party playlist, which we can choose to play infection, griftball, and personally I think fiesta fits under this umbrella. 343 can release random fun event game modes in the future or built forge maps after forge is out.

I like how in quick play you have one team defending and one attacking on a specific capture the flag map, I think bring griftball back which brings back delivering a bomb would also work well on a map like that. I like the idea of one team defending and the other attacking. Gives me search and destroy vibes which in my opinion is the only good COD game mode at least it was when I use to play COD.

I love halo and I will support both sides as I can see reason for both.
343 has a lot on their plate but I do trust them and hope they listen. I don’t agree with the post he made, I actually 60% disliked it and the other 40% understood.
We also need to give credit where credit is due as well, with all Covid restrictions and them listening they are trying to make our game come true without losing site of how they want the game done.
The feel of the game is amazing, I don’t experience the known bugs almost never, the servers feel amazing only had one laggy server and the game crashed twice on me. The graphics are beautiful, the detail is beautiful, I believe for the most part when it comes to weapons this is the most balanced they’ve ever been. Now I still have opinions on buffing and nerfing but no matter what we will all have opinions.

I love this community, I love everyone’s opinion, and I love Halo. There’s no need to be a**es or pricks, and even when the community comes off so toxic it’s mostly or passion for the game talking. Now that might not include everyone lol.
I hope you all enjoy this, thanks for reading.

I apologize for grammatical errors, I typed as I thought and didn’t go back and read it again.

Forza seems to be doing alright… no idea how they can survive tho…