At Halopedia, a question arose about why they were needed. There is a version that they create a magnetic field around the ship in order to deflect charged particles, there is a version with an antenna, as well as with the removal of heat from the inside of the ship into space or for conducting energy to the MAC. Which of these versions is the most true?
> “Titanium-A armor embedded with thermal superconducting radiators” Halo Mythos p. 83
343I answer please!
It could be multipurpose. I would think the ability to diffuse heat from Covenant plasma weapons to increase the ship’s chance of survival would be an extremely useful application of such technology.
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> It could be multipurpose. I would think the ability to diffuse heat from Covenant plasma weapons to increase the ship’s chance of survival would be an extremely useful application of such technology.
Modern can be used to protect the ship from a plasma that does not have its own magnetic field or has too weak (counter magnetic field destroys superconductivity). For example, from the solar winds. So, I’m afraid they can protect the ship unless from the consequences of the plasma weapons of the Covenants.
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> > It could be multipurpose. I would think the ability to diffuse heat from Covenant plasma weapons to increase the ship’s chance of survival would be an extremely useful application of such technology.
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> Modern can be used to protect the ship from a plasma that does not have its own magnetic field or has too weak (counter magnetic field destroys superconductivity). For example, from the solar winds. So, I’m afraid they can protect the ship unless from the consequences of the plasma weapons of the Covenants.
Good points. The Covenant use magnetic fields to direct their plasma, so that cancelling out the superconductivity would debunk what I was thinking.
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> > > It could be multipurpose. I would think the ability to diffuse heat from Covenant plasma weapons to increase the ship’s chance of survival would be an extremely useful application of such technology.
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> > Modern can be used to protect the ship from a plasma that does not have its own magnetic field or has too weak (counter magnetic field destroys superconductivity). For example, from the solar winds. So, I’m afraid they can protect the ship unless from the consequences of the plasma weapons of the Covenants.
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> Good points. The Covenant use magnetic fields to direct their plasma, so that cancelling out the superconductivity would debunk what I was thinking.
I read several articles. Niobium-based alloys can withstand some magnetic fields medium strength without losing superconductivity.
The fact that the phrase contains the terms “thermal” and “radiator” heavily implies that it is in reference to heat transfer. You don’t use the word “thermal” if you’re just talking about pushing charges around. I think the most sensible interpretation is that there is a material that is a “thermal superconductor”—i.e., a material with thermal properties analogous to the electric properties of standard superconductors. Like JNDreher suggested, it very effectively distributes heat over the surface of the ship, and improves the ship’s capacity to deal with localized heat sources. You could use it for cooling the inside of the ship, but I don’t see why you would, since regular water cooling with regular radiators would be sufficient and more practical.
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> The fact that the phrase contains the terms “thermal” and “radiator” heavily implies that it is in reference to heat transfer. You don’t use the word “thermal” if you’re just talking about pushing charges around. I think the most sensible interpretation is that there is a material that is a “thermal superconductor”—i.e., a material with thermal properties analogous to the electric properties of standard superconductors. Like JNDreher suggested, it very effectively distributes heat over the surface of the ship, and improves the ship’s capacity to deal with localized heat sources. You could use it for cooling the inside of the ship, but I don’t see why you would, since regular water cooling with regular radiators would be sufficient and more practical.
Solenoids from carbon nanotubes hypothetically have the best conductivity at 3500 degrees Celsius. However, many thanks for your reply! You have saved a lot of time. By the way, here is an article from the Soviet Journal of 1963 that talks about a similar concept that is still working today:
http://epizodsspace.airbase.ru/bibl/tehnika_-_molodyoji/1963/3/35-36v1.html
And NASA:
Superconductors generate a magnetic field that redirects charged particles (like plasma) to the side. The ability to direct them depends directly on the magnetic field. UNSC are quite capable of creating nanoscale cylinders of carbon nanotubes … Do they do it in their ships? In all or only in some?
However, in order to direct the plasma in the way a plasma torpedo does, we need an incredibly powerful magnetic field … It is unlikely that even carbon nanotubes will be able to change anything dramatically. In fact, the plasma will “flow around the ships.”
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> The fact that the phrase contains the terms “thermal” and “radiator” heavily implies that it is in reference to heat transfer. You don’t use the word “thermal” if you’re just talking about pushing charges around. I think the most sensible interpretation is that there is a material that is a “thermal superconductor”—i.e., a material with thermal properties analogous to the electric properties of standard superconductors. Like JNDreher suggested, it very effectively distributes heat over the surface of the ship, and improves the ship’s capacity to deal with localized heat sources. You could use it for cooling the inside of the ship, but I don’t see why you would, since regular water cooling with regular radiators would be sufficient and more practical.
By the way, today the term superconductivity refers to the ability to conduct electrons without resistance. It is because of this that the solenoid generates a magnetic field. This creates some confusion. For example, what is meant by the term “heat superconductor”? How will a “heat superconductor” work? A solenoid can also spread heat over the entire surface much faster than most materials, thus being a “heat superconductor”, but it would be much more logical and simple to manufacture if it reflected heat to the side.
Another option, if the concept of “superconducting radiators” means an entire array, both on the outside and on the inside of the armor. By the way, the solenoid shown in the first article provides the same radiation protection as 45 centimeters of lead.
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> > The fact that the phrase contains the terms “thermal” and “radiator” heavily implies that it is in reference to heat transfer. You don’t use the word “thermal” if you’re just talking about pushing charges around. I think the most sensible interpretation is that there is a material that is a “thermal superconductor”—i.e., a material with thermal properties analogous to the electric properties of standard superconductors. Like JNDreher suggested, it very effectively distributes heat over the surface of the ship, and improves the ship’s capacity to deal with localized heat sources. You could use it for cooling the inside of the ship, but I don’t see why you would, since regular water cooling with regular radiators would be sufficient and more practical.
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> By the way, today the term superconductivity refers to the ability to conduct electrons without resistance. It is because of this that the solenoid generates a magnetic field. This creates some confusion. For example, what is meant by the term “heat superconductor”? A superconductor in the modern sense is a material in which electrons have no resistance, but how will a “heat superconductor” work? A solenoid can also spread heat over the entire surface much faster than most materials, thus being a “heat superconductor”, but it would be much more logical and simple to manufacture if it reflected heat to the side.
> Another option, if the concept of “superconducting radiators” means an entire array, both on the outside and on the inside of the armor. By the way, the solenoid shown in the first article provides the same radiation protection as 45 centimeters of lead.
Superconductors are characterized by very high electric conductivity, which comes about because the flow of electricity won’t lose energy by scattering off the atoms like it normally would. This is the essence of superconductivity.
In an analogous way, you can imagine a system where the thermal excitations (known as “phonons”) that carry heat don’t lose energy by scattering like they normally would, and can thus transport heat very far very fast, leading a to a very high thermal conductivity. This can be realized, for example, in some super cold crystals as well as superfluid Helium. The phenomenon actually goes by the name second sound.
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> > > The fact that the phrase contains the terms “thermal” and “radiator” heavily implies that it is in reference to heat transfer. You don’t use the word “thermal” if you’re just talking about pushing charges around. I think the most sensible interpretation is that there is a material that is a “thermal superconductor”—i.e., a material with thermal properties analogous to the electric properties of standard superconductors. Like JNDreher suggested, it very effectively distributes heat over the surface of the ship, and improves the ship’s capacity to deal with localized heat sources. You could use it for cooling the inside of the ship, but I don’t see why you would, since regular water cooling with regular radiators would be sufficient and more practical.
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> > By the way, today the term superconductivity refers to the ability to conduct electrons without resistance. It is because of this that the solenoid generates a magnetic field. This creates some confusion. For example, what is meant by the term “heat superconductor”? A superconductor in the modern sense is a material in which electrons have no resistance, but how will a “heat superconductor” work? A solenoid can also spread heat over the entire surface much faster than most materials, thus being a “heat superconductor”, but it would be much more logical and simple to manufacture if it reflected heat to the side.
> > Another option, if the concept of “superconducting radiators” means an entire array, both on the outside and on the inside of the armor. By the way, the solenoid shown in the first article provides the same radiation protection as 45 centimeters of lead.
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> Superconductors are characterized by very high electric conductivity, which comes about because the flow of electricity won’t lose energy by scattering off the atoms like it normally would. This is the essence of superconductivity.
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> In an analogous way, you can imagine a system where the thermal excitations (known as “phonons”) that carry heat don’t lose energy by scattering like they normally would, and can thus transport heat very far very fast, leading a to a very high thermal conductivity. This can be realized, for example, in some super cold crystals as well as superfluid Helium. The phenomenon actually goes by the name second sound.
The qualities you just described seem rather strange against the background of the ablativeness of the Titanium-A armor, which on the contrary should prevent the spread of heat by burning out. Of course, you can redistribute heat over the entire surface of the ship in order to avoid a deep hole in the hull, but with UNSC ships that can withstand a couple of plasma torpedoes, this is strange. In general, in my opinion, the best interpretation is nanoscale devices that divert charged particles into space. Thanks again.
By the way, I seem a little wrong about carbon. The temperature of its superconductivity is still below zero. Nevertheless, there are “high temperature” superconductors:
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> The qualities you just described seem rather strange against the background of the ablativeness of the Titanium-A armor, which on the contrary should prevent the spread of heat by burning out. Of course, you can redistribute heat over the entire surface of the ship in order to avoid a deep hole in the hull, but with UNSC ships that can withstand a couple of plasma torpedoes, this is strange. In general, in my opinion, the best interpretation is nanoscale devices that divert charged particles into space. Thanks again.
If you can quickly distribute heat out of the area of impact, you can increase the amount of energy needed to burn a hole, essentially making the ship more resistant to directed energy weapons. But I mean, I’m just trying to make the phrasing make sense. I just don’t see how the words “thermal” and “radiator” would relate to generation of magnetic fields.
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> > The qualities you just described seem rather strange against the background of the ablativeness of the Titanium-A armor, which on the contrary should prevent the spread of heat by burning out. Of course, you can redistribute heat over the entire surface of the ship in order to avoid a deep hole in the hull, but with UNSC ships that can withstand a couple of plasma torpedoes, this is strange. In general, in my opinion, the best interpretation is nanoscale devices that divert charged particles into space. Thanks again.
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> If you can quickly distribute heat out of the area of impact, you can increase the amount of energy needed to burn a hole, essentially making the ship more resistant to directed energy weapons. But I mean, I’m just trying to make the phrasing make sense. I just don’t see how the words “thermal” and “radiator” would relate to generation of magnetic fields.
Heat is transferred in several ways - thermal conductivity, convection, phase transformations, and thermal radiation. In the latter case, it is a stream of charged particles (for example, plasma). The solenoid changes the trajectory of the particle when it enters the magnetic field created by it. In fact, “knocking her off course to target in flight.” Thermal conductivity is a direct exchange of kinetic energy, and it is precisely it that helium-4 conducts in order to create “thermal equilibrium” in a short period. There are still photons, but they do not pose a serious threat in space.
Here’s how it works:
http://epizodsspace.airbase.ru/bibl/tehnika_-molodyoji/1963/3/v2.jpg
http://epizodsspace.airbase.ru/bibl/tehnika-_molodyoji/1963/3/36-2.jpg
This is from the first link. Perhaps the most famous for an English-speaking audience (at least I don’t know how to name people who speak English better than me) will be the SR2S project (Space Radiation Superconductive Shield):
Magnetic Bubble Could Protect Astronauts on Long Trips - Universe Today
Full project in PDF (a lot of meaningless text):
https://arxiv.org/ftp/arxiv/papers/1209/1209.1907.pdf
Light version: Space Radiation Superconducting Shields - IOPscience
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> If you can quickly distribute heat out of the area of impact, you can increase the amount of energy needed to burn a hole, essentially making the ship more resistant to directed energy weapons. But I mean, I’m just trying to make the phrasing make sense. I just don’t see how the words “thermal” and “radiator” would relate to generation of magnetic fields.
By the way, magnetic protection falls under the definition of a radiator from Wikipedia.
> Radiators are heat exchangers used to transfer thermal energy from one medium to another for the purpose of cooling and heating. The majority of radiators are constructed to function in automobiles, buildings, and electronics.[citation needed]The radiator is always a source of heat to its environment, although this may be for either the purpose of heating this environment, or for cooling the fluid or coolant supplied to it, as for automotive engine cooling. Despite the name, most radiators transfer the bulk of their heat via convection instead of thermal radiation.[
So that magnetic is a thermal radiation radiator.
In general, I want to see a more detailed description of the properties of the armor. For example, how do radiators affect the magnetic fields of the MAC guns and can they help to avoid direct exposure to Covenant plasma? Is it military technology or peaceful? Is it rather a “passive” defense, unlike the electromagnetic shields that we meet at Covenant bases? What is the difference between this technology and UNSC electromagnetic shields? By the way, the ablation properties of titanium-A may indicate that this armor discharges accumulated gas into outer space preventing contact.
> halowaypoint:
> “This Autumn-class Heavy Cruiser represents a considerable leap forwards in human warship design, and is a testament to the UNSCs post-Covenant War technological prowess. Using improvements and modifications made to the Halcyon-class light cruiser for Operation: RED FLAG as a starting point, the naval architects at SinoViet Heavy Machinery have added energy shield-reinforced armor, powerful fusion drives, long-range targeting matrixes, and a state-of-the art magnetic accelerator cannon. These new weapons and systems are continually being improved to give the UNSC a competitive edge in battles against Covenant remnants and other threats that may yet arise.”
> halo: warfleet:
> “Shield-Reinforced Armor:
> The Autumn-class vessels feature a novel variation of electromagnetic armor that incorporates a distributed array of small shield generators, which are cheaper and easier to manufacture. When the outer Titanium-A hull plates are hit, sensors within the armor trigger the nearest generator, creating an intense, transient energy shield effect localized on the point of impact.”
> page 24: “The Pillar of Autumn’s hull is wrapped in plates of the latest Titanium-A ablative armor plating.”
Do all ships, longswords or only destroyers have built-in radiators in titanium-a armor? This is the main question.