I swear they should just make a sub forum for complaints, because anytime time I want to read a good discussion about Halo 4 I have to sift through pages of “Ranking system sucks!” or “Really 343?” or “Cancelling my pre order because of a small change I don’t agree with.” I mean c’mon, 343 has spent 3 years making this game, and all people do on this forum is complain about what isn’t in the game. Where the Yoink! are the threads that celebrate the game we all love? I’m starting to think this forum is just the vocal minority of matchmaking elitists who have to find something to complain about instead of enjoying the game.
The thing that Yoinks! me off the most is the people who will refuse to buy the game because of the ranking system. Really? You need an artificial rank next to your gamertag to enjoy a game? I play the game because it’s fun. It seems people on this forum have forgotten why people play Halo. It’s because its FUN. I’ve played every Halo game, and invested a lot of time in the multiplayer of Halo 3 and Halo Reach. I didn’t play these games because an artificial rank accompanied my gamertag. I played because I enjoy the competitive aspect of Halo. I played because I enjoy winning. Rank means little to me when I lose. So I find it ridiculous when people complain that the game will become repetitive and boring because of the lack of a rank. There’s what, 7 or 8 specialization paths? That’s roughly 350-400 ranks! How anyone can get bored with this much replay ability is beyond me.
I think it’s time that people stop looking for trivial and mundane shortcomings to complain about. I’m tired of a very vocal minority portraying the Halo community as a bunch of immature children who aren’t satisfied unless the game is specifically tailored to them. I applaud 343 for what they have done, and I can’t wait to play the game at midnight on November 6. Who’s with me?
The way things are going, the hypothetical sub forums you suggest would lead to the complaints forums unfortunately being more populated. And I can imagine that if the developers saw that, it wouldn’t be good for their confidence
If you are tired of the immaturity, it’s a good plan to start from yourself. You aren’t really helping these forums if you write a thread about people complaining. Whereas the threads those people make are completely on-topic, yours really isn’t.
It might be unfortunate to have so much complaint threads, but I have no problem of finding positive threads if I want to. Tolerance of different opinions is a good skill. Declaring people immature children simply because they have something negative to say about the game doesn’t make things better, and definitely doesn’t make you any better than those people.
The ultimate reason for why you don’t want to see the complaints is because you can’t understand how people have something negative to say about the game you love. Wouldn’t it be much easier to simply accept that the game has flaws, and people will point them out. Then, if you don’t want to participate in the discussion, you can very well simply ignore those threads. But please, do refrain from making threads such as this, it helps absolutely no one.
Regardless if there is a specific forum for complaints or not, the complaint threads will still exist. However instead of them overwhelming the Halo 4 forum, they could have there own forum. That way, both parties could win. The people who just want to talk about Halo 4 could go to the Halo 4 forum, and the people who want to add suggestions and changes that should be made to the game could go to the suggestions sub forum. There could even be an official suggestions thread. I’m just tired of seeing page after page of the same complaints. We get it. Some people don’t like the lack of ranking system similar to Halo 3. We don’t need 50 threads over the same topic.
> Separating the praise and the complaints just makes it easier for devs to look at what they want to see and avoid what they may need to see. Bad idea.
I would argue that it’s a bad idea for a game developer to dodge criticism - especially in such a competitive FPS market.
> > Separating the praise and the complaints just makes it easier for devs to look at what they want to see and avoid what they may need to see. Bad idea.
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> I would argue that it’s a bad idea for a game developer to dodge criticism - especially in such a competitive FPS market.
i agree with this, but i think that most of the complaints are invalid myself
My thread is completely on topic. I made my case for a sub forum for suggestions, and listed reasons why. And there’s a difference between forming constructive criticism, and saying “that’s it cancelling pre order this game sucks because of the ranking system.” These are the type of threads that flood the first page, and I’m tired of seeing them.
So you’re telling me that I shouldn’t make threads advocating for a sub forum for suggestions, but people should make threads complaining about the game. Those are the threads that don’t help anyone.
Look, I’m all for suggestions and constructive criticism. But when this devolves into “Halo sucks cancelling pre order” it gets out of hand. I do understand that people will not like this game for whatever reason. But this forum is where people who love the game go to discuss it. It’s hard to do so when the forum is flooded with complaints about the game. And just “ignoring the discussions if I don’t want to participate in them” is a pretty weak argument. So it’s ok for one group to be vocal against something, but the opposition should just ignore it and move on?
Yeah, its called the childs forum anywhere else.
Complaints
Temp Bannings/ member can still post but limited to the most dreadful section of the forum.
Junior level members
it would be the best thing that ever happened to these forums.
> Regardless if there is a specific forum for complaints or not, the complaint threads will still exist. However instead of them overwhelming the Halo 4 forum, they could have there own forum. That way, both parties could win. The people who just want to talk about Halo 4 could go to the Halo 4 forum, and the people who want to add suggestions and changes that should be made to the game could go to the suggestions sub forum. There could even be an official suggestions thread. I’m just tired of seeing page after page of the same complaints. We get it. Some people don’t like the lack of ranking system similar to Halo 3. We don’t need 50 threads over the same topic.
The truth is, a complaint forum has no practical use. Sure, it assures you that you won’t see the complaints, but it really doesn’t serve any other, actually useful purpose other than letting you live in your world where there are no problems with the game. As a matter of fact, a specific complaint forum would be detrimental to the nature of discussion. Only people who complain would have something to say on that forum, while all the other people with no problems would be on the other. Constructive discussion doesn’t work that way, you need people with differing opinions.
Ultimately, such a setup would be a moderating nightmare. Complaints and negative discussion would leak to the main Halo 4 forum. Ultimately, it’s much more convenient to have all Halo 4 discussion on a single forum. Having all on the single forum encourages dialogue between people for and against the changes. And if I had to choose between the current tone of that dialogue or no dialogue at all, I would definitely choose the former.
> > > Separating the praise and the complaints just makes it easier for devs to look at what they want to see and avoid what they may need to see. Bad idea.
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> > I would argue that it’s a bad idea for a game developer to dodge criticism - especially in such a competitive FPS market.
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> i agree with this, but i think that most of the complaints are invalid myself
Such as? At the moment people are criticising the launch playlists - which I will agree are kind of weird. No objective modes in BTB (I was looking forward to BTB CTF on Ragnarok & Exile), a heck of a lot of objective playlists that should just be in their own “Team Objective” hopper, and no FFA playlist at all unless you count Flood Mode.
I too would like to see discusion and suggestions separated. Some times I just want to chill & talk about Halo 4.
> My thread is completely on topic. I made my case for a sub forum for suggestions, and listed reasons why. And there’s a difference between forming constructive criticism, and saying “that’s it cancelling pre order this game sucks because of the ranking system.” These are the type of threads that flood the first page, and I’m tired of seeing them.
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> So you’re telling me that I shouldn’t make threads advocating for a sub forum for suggestions, but people should make threads complaining about the game. Those are the threads that don’t help anyone.
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> Look, I’m all for suggestions and constructive criticism. But when this devolves into “Halo sucks cancelling pre order” it gets out of hand. I do understand that people will not like this game for whatever reason. But this forum is where people who love the game go to discuss it. It’s hard to do so when the forum is flooded with complaints about the game. And just “ignoring the discussions if I don’t want to participate in them” is a pretty weak argument. So it’s ok for one group to be vocal against something, but the opposition should just ignore it and move on?
If there are unconstructive threads, report them and let them be, that’s the best way to fight them. A sub.forum wouldn’t make things better because, as I said, dialogue between both parties is, ultimately, better than no dialogue at all. Regardless, this thread really isn’t in the right place. It’s about potential creation of a sub-forum. Such suggestions would be better in the Halo Waypoint section that is for discussion about the website (and therefore also the forums).
And finally, if you really want to debate for Halo 4, you should definitely go into one of those threads and do it (in a polite manner). However, if you don’t want to participate in the discussion, suggesting a sub-forum to get that discussion out of your sight isn’t the right way to go. If you feel compelled to speak out, by all means, do it. But if you don’t, your only option is to ignore the discussion altogether.
By creating such a section that you describe, you’re containing half of what could be added to discussion. Sure, people could use a lesson on laying out their complaints in a constructive manner, but what discussion would there be if it was all one-sided?
Anyways, I’m going to lock this, since it could very well devolve into a flame war and is not related to Halo 4.